Debian 3.1r0 CD/DVD image problem

2005-06-07 Thread Colin Watson
A bug has been discovered in the 3.1r0 CD/DVD images: new installs from these images will have a commented-out entry in /etc/apt/sources.list for http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates rather than an active entry for http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates, and thus will not get security

Re: Client P2P dans Sarge

2005-06-07 Thread Christian Perrier
Ça semble aussi prouver qu'on n'a toujours pas assimilé que le p2p est un fantastique système de cluster de serveurs de fichiers. Qu'on n'est Oui, probablement. Le manque d'attention à la maintenance des logiciels clients de P2P semble le prouver. Et il y a encore un sacré boulot à faire avant

Re: Re: Client P2P dans Sarge

2005-06-07 Thread acabiran
entièrement d'accord, je viens d'essayer : debian sarge sur - la mule : 7 fichiers, 5 complets, 5 sources - bittorrent : 3 moteurs de recherche, 1 réponse 1 feeder... absent. donc effectivement, avec un lien bittorrent directement sur les serveurs d'isos pour cliquer dessus, ça serait plus

Re: Re: Client P2P dans Sarge

2005-06-07 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 07 juin 2005 à 20:29 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : entièrement d'accord, je viens d'essayer : debian sarge sur - la mule : 7 fichiers, 5 complets, 5 sources - bittorrent : 3 moteurs de recherche, 1 réponse 1 feeder... absent. donc effectivement, avec un lien bittorrent

Ports helping in World Domination? (was: Re: Canonical and Debian)

2005-06-07 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Julien BLACHE ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Eh, to achieve Total World Domination, we need to support every architecture out of there. Looks like a step in the wrong direction ;) Well, frankly speaking, Julien, last time I checked most of so-called third world users mostly just don't care a

Re: List of interface names (eth*, dummy*, ath*, tap*)

2005-06-07 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005, Florian Weimer wrote: See nameif(8). Interface names can be chosen by the user. Hmm, no much point in preparing an interface name list indeed. If some drivers name where bound to this interface names, it would be quite complicated anyway. I'm going to propose

German newsticker announcements and architectures

2005-06-07 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, I checked heise.de and golem.de for Sarge announcement. I just want to let you know that both news tickers stress out that Debian runs on 11 architectures which makes a difference to other distributions. I do not want to heat another Vancouver flamewar but I hope that the same news tickes

Re: List of interface names (eth*, dummy*, ath*, tap*)

2005-06-07 Thread Florian Weimer
* Loïc Minier: On Mon, Jun 06, 2005, Florian Weimer wrote: See nameif(8). Interface names can be chosen by the user. Hmm, no much point in preparing an interface name list indeed. If some drivers name where bound to this interface names, it would be quite complicated anyway. I'm

Re: Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-06-07 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hah...document a distribution's bugs in a wiki page is one funny idea that Knoppix used at the time I still used it, about a year ago. And it was one major reason I didn't wait to switch to Debian. It can be considered for tracking RC issues, but Roger still has a point that all bug reports

Bug#312293: ITP: cl-utilities -- a Common Lisp library of common functions

2005-06-07 Thread Peter Van Eynde
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Peter Van Eynde [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: cl-utilities Version : 1.1 Upstream Author : Peter Scott * URL : http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-utilities/ * License : public domain Description : a Common Lisp

Storage (was: Canonical and Debian)

2005-06-07 Thread Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
Peter 'p2' De Schrijver [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That sounds retarded in an age where a 200GB HD cost less then 100 Euro... Regarding storage: Fast, cheap and secure; pick any two. Good Storage have more costs than the price of the cheapest disks on the market. For a file server, especially

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 07 June 2005 03:21, Joey Hess wrote: Planned, and ground already laid in tasksel (and indeed, it does do it for some easy things like language tasks). One thing I really want to see happen is a laptop task. The big missing peice is some simple program tasksel can call out to, like

Re: Bug#311997: ITP: gaim-latex -- gaim plugin wich translate LaTeX code into image in conversation

2005-06-07 Thread Martin Braure de Calignon
Le mardi 07 juin 2005 à 05:10 +0200, Nicolas Schoonbroodt a écrit : MMmmm these are good news :-), If you can tell me where you find the tex2im depandancy (README, INSTALL, ...) It can help me for remove it in the next version. Well, I've just looked into your files. I can now said that I've

Re: Bug#312269: ITP: emile -- Early Mac Image LoadEr, a bootloader for m68k macs

2005-06-07 Thread Yavor Doganov
On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 23:50:46 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Owner: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: emile Description : Early Mac Image LoadEr, a bootloader for m68k macs Thank you very much for finally deciding to package emile. I will be expecting eagerly the

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread David Goodenough
On Tuesday 07 June 2005 08:56, Frans Pop wrote: On Tuesday 07 June 2005 03:21, Joey Hess wrote: Planned, and ground already laid in tasksel (and indeed, it does do it for some easy things like language tasks). One thing I really want to see happen is a laptop task. The big missing peice is

PostgreSQL transition ahead

2005-06-07 Thread Martin Pitt
(Sorry if you got this mail several times, I just CC'ed it to every affected binary package). Hi fellow Debian developers! Three months ago I announced the first alpha versions of the new architecture of the PostgreSQL packages [1] in experimental. Now, a few months later, they are mature enough

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 07 June 2005 01:03, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: Feel free to add some new items or add (hopefully new) information to the ones I list below: -- [ Overall improvements ] - Implement some package

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On 2005-06-07 04:57, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote: On Tue, 2005-07-06 at 01:03 +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: - Separate runlevels: 2 for multi, no net, 3 for multi no X, 4 for X, 4=5 Do we really need that? I thought I could always enable/disable/install/remove [xgk]dm. And

Re: libselinux1 - required

2005-06-07 Thread Andreas Barth
* Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050607 02:01]: any progress on making libselinux1 a Required package? the possibility of having debian/selinux is totally dependent on this one thing happening. no libselinux1=Required, no debian/selinux [all dependent packages e.g.

Re: Storage (was: Canonical and Debian)

2005-06-07 Thread Peter 'p2' De Schrijver
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 09:47:23AM +0200, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: Peter 'p2' De Schrijver [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That sounds retarded in an age where a 200GB HD cost less then 100 Euro... Regarding storage: Fast, cheap and secure; pick any two. Good Storage have more costs

Re: Storage (was: Canonical and Debian)

2005-06-07 Thread Andreas Barth
* Peter 'p2' De Schrijver ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050607 10:51]: On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 09:47:23AM +0200, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: Peter 'p2' De Schrijver [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That sounds retarded in an age where a 200GB HD cost less then 100 Euro... Regarding storage:

Re: Canonical and Debian

2005-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 10:48:56PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 05:11:44PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: * Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 02:12:00PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: * Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: snip

Re: Canonical and Debian

2005-06-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 02:12:00PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: * Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Clone yourself and make yourself a slave to the buildds for 7 or 8 architectures, so that the release team doesn't have to. Neither the Whoah, whoah, whoah, is this actually an

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 01:47:12AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jun 07, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - _No_ bugs in base packages (well, at least no old bugs). Base system should be upgraded to latest upstream (forward patches!) this includes PAM,

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 11:12:50AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 01:47:12AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jun 07, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - _No_ bugs in base packages (well, at least no old bugs). Base system should be upgraded

Re: Debian

2005-06-07 Thread José Luis Tallón
Kern Sibbald wrote: Hello, I've just been looking at the new Debian Sarge release 3.1, and it looks very interesting. I'm not 100% happy with my Fedora FC3 system, so am thinking about loading it here and trying it out. It is quite a learning process though needing a lot of time ... :-)

Re: Canonical and Debian

2005-06-07 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:31:27 +0200, Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what I not understand, because I have a full /debian-archive and WOODY mirror (including many CDs) and it use 420 GByte (4x 147 GByte) and now, POTATO is gone on ftp://ftp.debian.org/. Now I try to add 4-6 new

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Cesar Martinez Izquierdo
What about switching from getty to mingetty? Is there any reason to use getty by default? Regards, César

Re: Canonical and Debian

2005-06-07 Thread David Goodenough
On Monday 06 June 2005 23:02, Marc Haber wrote: On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:31:27 +0200, Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what I not understand, because I have a full /debian-archive and WOODY mirror (including many CDs) and it use 420 GByte (4x 147 GByte) and now, POTATO is gone

Re: Is Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis MIA?

2005-06-07 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
Hi Roberto, On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 at 23:52 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I am wondering what the deal is with Luca and his packages, specifically httperf. [snip] Just wondering what, if anything, should be done. Personally, I would be willing to adopt httperf because I would like to

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Thomas Hood
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 01:10:15 +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: Ok, so sarge has been released! We should all thank the Release Team for their hard work in putting this major release together. Yes. Thanks to everyone involved for the many, many hours they devoted to getting sarge

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Thomas Hood
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:10:13 +0200, David Goodenough wrote: Another item that might be worth considering for laptops is a networking equivalent of the pmount group. People in these groups would be allowed to edit the network files (in particular /etc/network/interfaces) and bring interfaces

Japan Debian Mini Conf

2005-06-07 Thread YABUKI Yukiharu
Hello, Debian Guys. I feel honer that I announce you Japan Debian Mini Conf. In last year, I held Debian BoF in Kansai OpenSource. (http://k-of.jp) in Japanse language. Any Debian people enjoyed BoF. I also joined Asia Debian Mini Conf. I was excited to contact Great Debian Developers. ADMC

Re: Is Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis MIA?

2005-06-07 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: Someone told me a few weeks ago that he is interested in coming back and start again working on his packages. I doubt that this will really happen, and if nobody object the Debian Zope Team will take over his zope packages in a few days. All in all,

Re: Canonical and Debian

2005-06-07 Thread Robert Lemmen
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 02:12:04AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: - sparc: one buildd which is not consistently able to keep up with the volume of incoming packages; no backup buildd, no additional porter machine. how powerfull would a machine need to be to be of any help here? would an

Re: Canonical and Debian

2005-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 02:12:04AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: Oh, you'll also note that the traditional slow architectures (mips, mipsel, m68k, arm) aren't on this problems list. That's because a *lot* of effort has been put into providing sufficient parallelization for each architecture;

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 02:18:47AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 11:12:50AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 01:47:12AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: 2.4.x kernels are already obsolete by now except that for some doorstop architectures, I do not

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread David Goodenough
On Tuesday 07 June 2005 09:26, Thomas Hood wrote: On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:10:13 +0200, David Goodenough wrote: Another item that might be worth considering for laptops is a networking equivalent of the pmount group. People in these groups would be allowed to edit the network files (in

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 12:04:26PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Obviously. What I meant is, we shouldn't throw out doorstop architectures (sic) because they still want 2.4. Which architecture do you refer to? All architectures supported by debian are supported much better by 2.6 thn by 2.4,

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread David Goodenough
On Tuesday 07 June 2005 09:26, Thomas Hood wrote: On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:10:13 +0200, David Goodenough wrote: Another item that might be worth considering for laptops is a networking equivalent of the pmount group. People in these groups would be allowed to edit the network files (in

Possible idea towards future package handling

2005-06-07 Thread Nigel Jones
I've just been reading on the wiki that someone things there should be a pretesting branch for Debian, (good idea in my opinion), but why don't we try and stop rouge packages at unstable. Some maintainers obviously make mistakes every now and then while packaging z, sometimes (if not all the

Re: German newsticker announcements and architectures

2005-06-07 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: I checked heise.de and golem.de for Sarge announcement. I just want to let you know that both news tickers stress out that Debian runs on 11 architectures they just quote the release notes/announcement. And I think they only report it because it is

Re: Ports helping in World Domination?

2005-06-07 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Well, frankly speaking, Julien, last time I checked most of so-called third world users mostly just don't care a shit of non i386 architectures..:-). They just want a functional operating system for the only architecture which is really available to

Re: Is Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis MIA?

2005-06-07 Thread A Mennucc
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I am wondering what the deal is with Luca and his packages, specifically httperf. httperf was uploaded once, 3.5 years ago. It has two important and one normal bug [0]. He has never responded to any bug on httperf. #215277: httperf: please update libssl dependency

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-06-07 Thread Stephen Birch
Miles Bader([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-06-07 10:53: Stephen Birch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The question was really this, if Ubuntu created a better bug tracking program would Debian want to run the new software on the debian servers thus replacing the current bug tracking programs? Is it

Re: Canonical and Debian

2005-06-07 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Julien BLACHE | If you're not willing to maintain your packages on the architectures | supported by the Project (assuming it is possible, ie the packages | aren't arch-specific), then you're not helping the project, and you'd | better spend your time on another one. | | Last time I checked,

Re: Canonical and Debian

2005-06-07 Thread Stephen Birch
Michelle Konzack([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-06-06 20:22: Am 2005-06-06 19:22:08, schrieb Peter 'p2' De Schrijver: That sounds retarded in an age where a 200GB HD cost less then 100 Euro... Anyway you can always decide to mirror only part of the archive if you want to, even today. Using an

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 07, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since (at least) potato, Debian has always supported more than one major line of kernels. I don't see why we suddenly would need to change that now. We did it because of the need to support doorstops, not because it's a good idea. 2.4 kernels

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: Ok, so sarge has been released! We should all thank the Release Team for their hard work in putting this major release together. But... how about we start discussing about what major release goals we want to set for Etch? I'd like to see: The ability to

Running daemons without root access?

2005-06-07 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Hi, Is it possible for a user to ensure that a certain app is (always) started after system start (and stopped before shutdown) without using root access? If so, how? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Running daemons without root access?

2005-06-07 Thread Norbert Preining
On Die, 07 Jun 2005, Olaf van der Spek wrote: started after system start (and stopped before shutdown) without using root access? crontab @reboot man 5 crontab Herzliche Grüße Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining

Re: Running daemons without root access?

2005-06-07 Thread Guillermo Gutierrez Herrera
El mar, 07-06-2005 a las 11:41 +0200, Olaf van der Spek escribi: Hi, Is it possible for a user to ensure that a certain app is (always) started after system start (and stopped before shutdown) without using root access? If so, how? sudo - userslogin command arguments on call to

Bug#312309: ITP: whitelister -- a Postfix Whitelister daemon

2005-06-07 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: whitelister Version : 0.4 Upstream Author : Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : https://projects.aaege.net/mailtools/wiki/Project.Whitelister * License : GPL v2

Re: Debian

2005-06-07 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Tuesday 07 June 2005 11:20, José Luis Tallón wrote: Kern Sibbald wrote: Hello, I've just been looking at the new Debian Sarge release 3.1, and it looks very interesting. I'm not 100% happy with my Fedora FC3 system, so am thinking about loading it here and trying it out. It is quite a

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-06-07 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-06-06 22:08]: Personally I will not be suprised if some procmail recipe doesn't end up running somewhere that effectively changes this policy for them. (Didn't you have one, tbm? :-) No, I added some patches by hand for a while. I read -bugs-dist and

Re: Canonical and Debian

2005-06-07 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 07:58:13PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 02:12:00PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: * Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Clone yourself and make yourself a slave to the buildds for 7 or 8 architectures, so that the release team doesn't have

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-06-07 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-06-03 11:54]: personally agree with me, it's their policy and unfortunately it won't change... however, maybe there's still hope, now that more people are Has there been any explanation for the policy? I'm having a hard time thinking of any sensible

Re: Is Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis MIA?

2005-06-07 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 11:52:22PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I am wondering what the deal is with Luca and his packages, specifically httperf. Yeah, I'm about to orphan his packages next time I'm orphaning packages of MIA maintainers. Simply didn't get around to it yet, thanks for

Re: Is Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis MIA?

2005-06-07 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 02:56:08PM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 11:52:22PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I am wondering what the deal is with Luca and his packages, specifically httperf. Yeah, I'm about to orphan his packages next time I'm orphaning

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Joey Hess | Planned, and ground already laid in tasksel (and indeed, it does do it | for some easy things like language tasks). One thing I really want to | see happen is a laptop task. The big missing peice is some simple | program tasksel can call out to, like | | if this_is_a_laptop; then

buildd machines (was Re: Canonical and Debian)

2005-06-07 Thread Blars Blarson
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - sparc: one buildd which is not consistently able to keep up with the volume of incoming packages; no backup buildd, no additional porter machine. Second faster machine has been down, reportedly with disk problems. Even faster

Re: Bug#311997: ITP: gaim-latex -- gaim plugin wich translate LaTeX code into image in conversation

2005-06-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 06:35:50PM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 02:21:26PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: On Monday 06 June 2005 01:11 pm, H. S. Teoh wrote: Make a version which generates the image on the sending side? [...] That would be a *very* nice

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-06-07 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Martin Michlmayr | In any case, if we're not being treated like proper upstream | maintainers, maybe we should write some tools to keep better track | of those patches. I think equating patches are provided as links rather than as attachments with we're not being treated like real upstream

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:23:33AM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote: To begin with we can all go back and review: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?ReleaseProposals I reviewed it and it still all falls into two groups: - Hopelessly unworkable or silly ideas. (Don't release, Release no matter

Re: Is Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis MIA?

2005-06-07 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 02:56:08PM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 11:52:22PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I am wondering what the deal is with Luca and his packages, specifically httperf. Yeah, I'm about to orphan his packages next time I'm orphaning

Re: Is Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis MIA?

2005-06-07 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 03:26:37PM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 02:56:08PM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 11:52:22PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I am wondering what the deal is with Luca and his packages, specifically

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 01:03:12AM +0200, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: - inetd begone! - xinetd (better mechanism to control DoS, privilege separation, etc.) xinetd begone. There is no justification for using anything resembling inetd on a modern system. - Better OS backup

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 02:32:53PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 01:03:12AM +0200, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: - inetd begone! - xinetd (better mechanism to control DoS, privilege separation, etc.) xinetd begone. There is no justification for using

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Joey Hess
Christoph Hellwig wrote: Which architecture do you refer to? All architectures supported by debian are supported much better by 2.6 thn by 2.4, in fact none of them is supported anymore upstream except for important bugfixes. Be that as it may, my feeling from reading a great many

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Joey Hess
Frans Pop wrote: This sounds like a good idea, but will need very careful logic. For instance, some older (APM-based) Toshiba laptops work well with the toshiba module and the toshset package where newer (ACPI-based) laptops need the toshiba-acpi module which does not work with toshset. I

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 09:37:29AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 02:32:53PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 01:03:12AM +0200, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: - inetd begone! - xinetd (better mechanism to control DoS, privilege

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Andrew Suffield] It's supported just fine if you take backups at the appropriate moment. I can't think of any useful way in which it could be more supported than that. You should be careful when using your imagination as the guideline for what is useful or not. It might not be a very

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 08:03:31AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Frans Pop wrote: This sounds like a good idea, but will need very careful logic. For instance, some older (APM-based) Toshiba laptops work well with the toshiba module and the toshset package where newer (ACPI-based) laptops

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread George Danchev
On Tuesday 07 June 2005 16:25, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:23:33AM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote: To begin with we can all go back and review: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?ReleaseProposals I reviewed it and it still all falls into two groups: - Hopelessly

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 02:40:48PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 09:37:29AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Why? What if I prefer to have something from inetd only when necessary instead of constantly running daemons everywhere? Why on earth would you? It's just

Re: Debian 3.1r0 CD/DVD image problem

2005-06-07 Thread Matthew Garrett
Brian Teeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps there is source for a very large game or something that could be left off?? ia32-libs has 214MB of source and is only shipped on ia64. It's possible that something could be worked out that way. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-06-07 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=Miles Bader date=2005-06-07 10:53:17 +0900 Stephen Birch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The question was really this, if Ubuntu created a better bug tracking program would Debian want to run the new software on the debian servers thus replacing the current bug tracking programs? Is

Re: Debian 3.1r0 CD/DVD image problem

2005-06-07 Thread Brian Teeman
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Colin Watson wrote: A bug has been discovered in the 3.1r0 CD/DVD images: new installs from these images will have a commented-out entry in /etc/apt/sources.list for http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates rather than an active entry for http://security.debian.org/

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-06-07 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=Petter Reinholdtsen date=2005-06-04 21:24:54 +0200 I'd like to hear about it, because this is certainly not the common case, and there is an unfortunate amount of myth and rumour on this subject. Oh, it is definitely not the common case. My sample set is ~5 packages, and for

Re: Canonical and Debian

2005-06-07 Thread Julien BLACHE
Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure «the best OS ever» means we have to support everything from toasters to mainframes. If I spend time tracking down a bug which affects users on only a single, little-used architecture (because it's RC there) rather than tracking down bugs

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Remi Vanicat
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 09:37:29AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 02:32:53PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 01:03:12AM +0200, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: - inetd begone! - xinetd (better

Re: Packaging of freenx

2005-06-07 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 04:27:58PM +0200, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 at 10:16 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I asked a while back (on IRC) about packaging the NX components that are under the GPL. Someone pointed me to Fabian's packages in Skole Linux. Anyhow, those

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-06-07 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=John Goerzen date=2005-06-01 09:06:50 -0500 That sounds very nice indeed. If that pans out, and you also fix the UI issues (by which I mean I have to type approximately three times as many characters to accomplish the same thing that I do in darcs), that would be very nice. It

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-06-07 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:40:47AM -0400, Benj. Mako Hill wrote: quote who=John Goerzen date=2005-06-01 09:06:50 -0500 That sounds very nice indeed. If that pans out, and you also fix the UI issues (by which I mean I have to type approximately three times as many characters to accomplish

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-06-07 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=Eduard Bloch date=2005-06-03 08:49:31 +0200 And I think it is a fair demand asking all Ubuntu Developers to wear the Ubuntu hats when Ubuntu specific questions are beeing discussed. Read: I expect you to specify [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the From: field, otherwise reading the mail

Re: Possible idea towards future package handling

2005-06-07 Thread paddy
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:26:43PM +1200, Nigel Jones wrote: I've just been reading on the wiki that someone things there should be a pretesting branch for Debian, (good idea in my opinion), but why don't we try and stop rouge packages at unstable. Some maintainers obviously make mistakes

Re: Packaging of freenx

2005-06-07 Thread Isaac Clerencia
On Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:40, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 04:27:58PM +0200, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 at 10:16 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I asked a while back (on IRC) about packaging the NX components that are under the GPL. Someone

Re: Canonical and Debian

2005-06-07 Thread Kyle McMartin
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 02:12:04AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: - hppa: one buildd, keeps up with package volume, but no backup buildd and gdb seems to kill its kernel (yay); one porter machine. The gdb kills sarti issue shouldn't be an issue once it's upgraded to sarge and running a kernel

Re: Bug#311997: ITP: gaim-latex -- gaim plugin wich translate LaTeX code into image in conversation

2005-06-07 Thread Martin Braure de Calignon
Le mardi 07 juin 2005 à 05:10 +0200, Nicolas Schoonbroodt a écrit : So...(sorry for English) lot of conversation about my plugin on your mailling list. And also a bug report on sourceforge, related to your remark. My message will be not complete (because it's 4.50 am here and that I must be

Moving packages from experimental to unstable: use -v

2005-06-07 Thread Romain Francoise
It'd be nice if people who move packages from experimental to unstable used the -v option to dpkg-buildpackage. It has two main advantages: 1. bugs fixed in experimental get closed automatically by the upload 2. people who read d-d-changes like myself get an idea of the history of the

Re: Canonical and Debian

2005-06-07 Thread Josh Lauricha
On Mon 06/06/05 20:22, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2005-06-06 19:22:08, schrieb Peter 'p2' De Schrijver: I do not know a mirror without Raid-5 so asuming, there are someone which use 3Ware 3w9500 + four WD360GR (around 100 GByte) and they pay 1200 Euro for the Controller and four small 36 GByte

baz and tla

2005-06-07 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=John Goerzen date=2005-06-07 09:48:47 -0500 On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:40:47AM -0400, Benj. Mako Hill wrote: quote who=John Goerzen date=2005-06-01 09:06:50 -0500 That sounds very nice indeed. If that pans out, and you also fix the UI issues (by which I mean I have to type

Re: Canonical and Debian

2005-06-07 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=Jeroen van Wolffelaar date=2005-06-05 19:00:57 +0200 If you're going to complain about a cabal, please do try to get the facts straight: The DPL team consists of only one Canonical employee, who was even later, after the election, added (Benjamin Mako Hill) And for the record, the

Re: C++ ABI change for etch -- freeze unstable for all C++ libs with changed or new sonames

2005-06-07 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=Josselin Mouette date=2005-06-05 18:50:57 +0200 The problem is that the decisions are always taken for the Ubuntu distribution first. Then, people from Canonical or people wanting to keep compatibility between the two distributions will always want Debian to follow the decisions

Re: Canonical and Debian

2005-06-07 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=Josselin Mouette date=2005-06-05 19:15:49 +0200 Then how did these people end up choosing to support the same set of architectures as Ubuntu? It seems quite possible that the groups have come up with similar criteria independently of each other or separate criteria that arrived at the

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-07 Thread Petri Latvala
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 11:40:55AM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: The ability to have multiple versions of a package installed at the same time. (Sorry Olaf, for getting this twice, my fingers work too fast) No, dear $DEITY. This feature is the major thing I hate about rpms. It's so easy to

Re: Debian 3.1r0 CD/DVD image problem

2005-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
[This is actually more a question for debian-cd. Cc set appropriately] On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 01:03:51PM +0100, Brian Teeman wrote: Is there any way that the source can be remastered so that it fits on 2 dvd. Seems kind of daft that it stretches to three dvd for the sake of 212mb. If it

Re: Ports helping in World Domination? (was: Re: Canonical and Debian)

2005-06-07 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/6/05, Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Julien BLACHE ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Eh, to achieve Total World Domination, we need to support every architecture out of there. Looks like a step in the wrong direction ;) Well, frankly speaking, Julien, last time I checked most

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-06-07 Thread Ian Murdock
Joey Hess wrote: Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 12:27:38AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Oh, I forgot to mention that if Ubuntu continues to ignore Ian Murdock's warnings about breaking compatability with debs, it will end up a fork in my book even if most of the underlying code is

Bug#312282: marked as done (release-notes: --guess?)

2005-06-07 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:20:34 +0200 with message-id [EMAIL PROTECTED] and subject line Bug#312282: release-notes: --guess? has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is now your

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