Some bits of experience gained from handling upgrade-reports.

2005-06-09 Thread Bill Allombert
Hello Debian developers, [Please store this mail in a safe place and read it when you have recovered from the release party.] During the few weeks before sarge release, I have tried to reproduce the upgrade problems reported to upgrade-reports [1]. I reached the following conclusions: 1)

Debconf5 -- Voting for Scheduled Talks

2005-06-09 Thread Don Armstrong
SCHEDULING TALKS FOR DEBCONF 5 In order to make the schedule for this year's Debconf, we're trying something slightly new, which will hopefully work out. To reduce the likelihood that two talks that you really wish to attend are scheduled for the exact same time, you all get to vote on the talks

Re: spasm passing over

2005-06-09 Thread Mike Workman
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Enhance your sexual lifestyle!

2005-06-09 Thread Freddie
Do you realize all your sexual dreams? Now you can! http://qnqozyd.etz7ifwptoe4ife.sabulinemd.com Women with pasts interest men... they hope history will repeat itself. The empires of the future are the empires of the mind. Equal Rights were created for everyone. -- To

Re: Where to put XML Application Files in UNIX File Hierarchy?

2005-06-09 Thread Alban Browaeys
Le mercredi 08 juin 2005 à 12:12 +0200, Christian Heller a écrit : In other words, CYBOL files are the source + executable + configuration If they are configuration /var/lib looks appropriate. Though it is for transient files or data only ( http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/fhs-5.1.html ) /usr is

Planet Debian and Akregator

2005-06-09 Thread Marc Haber
Hi, as we all know, Planet Debian generates RSS feeds that Akregator doesn't grok, and both packages point at the other one for being at fault. Does Debian have something like an xmltidy program which can convert the Planet Debian RSS feeds into something that Akregator can actually read?

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-06-09 Thread Joey Hess
Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 10:06:05PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Personal communication is how development works in the entire rest of the free software world, I really don't see why Ubuntu is different. This strikes me as ironic, considering that you are attempting to

Re: Canonical and Debian

2005-06-09 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 09:34:37PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: Ok, we need more alpha machines then. If nothing else then at *least* one for porters. Let's ask the debian-alpha list or debian-devel if someone's got a spare alpha they don't mind parting with. I can probably arrange hosting

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Christian Perrier
Again, do not mess with cultures you do not understand. Do you have real examples? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-06-09 Thread Joey Hess
Matt Zimmerman wrote: This is a falacy, for example, I would never use any of these (IMHO useless at best and often damaging[1]) patch management systems (I know of two much better ones: subversion and arch), but this does not mean that I do not feed (and, as necessary, re-feed for new

LinuxTag conference: 2 free tickets available

2005-06-09 Thread Christian Hammers
Hello I have two free tickets for the LinuxTag in Karlsruhe / Germany this year, so if anybody wants to attend and has not yet got one, contact me. bye, -christian- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#312605: percent sign in debian package names

2005-06-09 Thread Holger Klawitter
Package: apt Package: general package management Version: up to 0.5.28.5 Hi there, I tried to put a collection of debian packages on a tomcat webserver along with a Packages.gz for easy retrieval via apt-get. However the retrieval does not work whenever a percent sign is part of the filename

Re: Planet Debian and Akregator

2005-06-09 Thread Isaac Clerencia
On Thursday, 9 June 2005 07:13, Marc Haber wrote: Hi, as we all know, Planet Debian generates RSS feeds that Akregator doesn't grok, and both packages point at the other one for being at fault. Does Debian have something like an xmltidy program which can convert the Planet Debian RSS feeds

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Christian Perrier | Again, do not mess with cultures you do not understand. | | Do you have real examples? IRC. An example is the current irssi in Debian which doesn't do recoding between different locales. (And that is needed, since IRC doesn't have a charset concept and there are still

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Miros/law Baran
9.06.2005 pisze Tollef Fog Heen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): | Again, do not mess with cultures you do not understand. | Do you have real examples? IRC. An example is the current irssi in Debian which doesn't do recoding between different locales. (And that is needed, since IRC doesn't have a

Re: Vancouver prpopsal (was Re: Canonical and Debian)

2005-06-09 Thread Christian Perrier
No, actually, at the time it was released it was presented as a fait accompli. After it received a wide expression of distaste and disgust, That is your point of view and the way you read it. This is not the way I read it, so it's likely to be a matter of interpretation. There has, to date,

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Frank Lenaerts
on Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 02:30:26AM +0200, Wesley J. Landaker wrote about Re: And now for something completely different... etch!: I don't often customize runlevels very much, but usually the first thing I do when I install a Debian system is remove all the xdm's from 2 and 3 and add them

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 07:58:32PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 03:34:26PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Nobody. However, you're assuming that xdm et al will keep trying to start an X server, even if it fails. Luckily, the respective initscripts

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread David Pashley
On Jun 09, 2005 at 09:09, Tollef Fog Heen praised the llamas by saying: * Christian Perrier | Again, do not mess with cultures you do not understand. | | Do you have real examples? IRC. An example is the current irssi in Debian which doesn't do recoding between different locales.

Re: Canonical and Debian

2005-06-09 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 08:55:17AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 01:10:43PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: The primary question, I think, is whether one can be 100% sure whether a bug that results in an FTBFS on only one out of eleven platforms will not have any effect

Re: Planet Debian and Akregator

2005-06-09 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 09 June 2005 09:59, Isaac Clerencia wrote: I've read about this before, but I read Debian Panet with akregator without any problem. ?? I use akregator too (1.0 beta 10) and every once in a while you get an icon indicating a feed cannot be read. Most of the time this will be fixed

Re: Planet Debian and Akregator

2005-06-09 Thread Pierre HABOUZIT
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 07:13:45AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: Hi, as we all know, Planet Debian generates RSS feeds that Akregator doesn't grok, and both packages point at the other one for being at fault. Does Debian have something like an xmltidy program which can convert the Planet

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 10:13:00AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jun 07, Roger Leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - - The locale codeset should be UTF-8 for all new installs by default. FFS! When will people learn to not mess with other cultures they know nothing about? Feel free to advocate a

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-06-09 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 03:12:02AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Matt Zimmerman wrote: Without any clarification on your part, my interpretation remains unchanged. Ubuntu routinely imports all of the new code in the Debian archive, sorts out any necessary merging, and incorporates the changes.

Re: Planet Debian and Akregator

2005-06-09 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2005-06-09 kello 11:40 +0200, Pierre HABOUZIT kirjoitti: AFAIK, it is a debianplanet bug since the source feeds it uses *are* correctly escaped. I haven't bothered to investigate it often when the ampersand problem occurs, but on the couple of occasions I have, it has been a case of the

CDBS and /usr/share/doc links

2005-06-09 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, I wanted to switch to CDBS which makes the packaging awesome easy. One final problem was left for me when I tried to use implement the following multi binary package: Extract from control: Package: tipptrainer Architecture: any Depends: tipptrainer-data, ... ... Package:

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Enrico Zini
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 11:41:09AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 10:13:00AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jun 07, Roger Leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - - The locale codeset should be UTF-8 for all new installs by default. FFS! When will people learn to not mess

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Simon Huggins
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 06:22:15PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 02:18:28PM +0100, Simon Huggins wrote: I think having a target date, even a target month for release, would help everyone and reduce the posts to -release lately where people have finally crawled out of

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 09, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrong. The problem is packages which need to interact with text files, mail and usenet messages generated by broken software, and for which assuming UTF-8 would be totally wrong. Please come up with real-life examples. Most mail software

Re: Planet Debian and Akregator

2005-06-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 09, Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as we all know, Planet Debian generates RSS feeds that Akregator doesn't grok, and both packages point at the other one for being at fault. Yes. The (former?) Planet Debian maintainer believes that aggregators should deal with malformed XML

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 08, Roger Leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrong. The problem is packages which need to interact with text files, mail and usenet messages generated by broken software, and for which assuming UTF-8 would be totally wrong. This is completely orthogonal to making UTF-8 the default

Re: Why apt-get is not a proper software search engine (was Re: And now for something completely different... etch!)

2005-06-09 Thread George Danchev
On Tuesday 07 June 2005 23:44, Javier Fernndez-Sanguino Pea wrote: Debtags might not cut it either, but might be an improvement over a free keyword search which ends up turing the wron packages just because they have the word used in the query. A good search function could: - use

Re: Planet Debian and Akregator

2005-06-09 Thread Pierre HABOUZIT
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 12:54:06PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jun 09, Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as we all know, Planet Debian generates RSS feeds that Akregator doesn't grok, and both packages point at the other one for being at fault. Yes. The (former?) Planet Debian

Re: CDBS and /usr/share/doc links

2005-06-09 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Josselin Mouette wrote: I'm doing this with cdbs in libpng3, just have a look at this package. Basically I'm using dh_link to create the links, and I deactivated dh_installchangelogs and dh_installdocs for the packages that want the symbolic link. DEB_INSTALL_DOCS_foo

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Humberto Massa Guimarães
Matt wrote: On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 01:13:16AM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: to find their own (sometimes flawed) solution to a very common problem. Years using Linux: 10. Idem here Times I've absolutely needed an X-less boot when an XDM was installed: 0. Mine: 30 or more.

Re: CDBS and /usr/share/doc links

2005-06-09 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 09 juin 2005 à 12:00 +0200, Andreas Tille a écrit : Intended layout: $ ls -l `pwd`/debian/tipptrainer-data-*/usr/share/doc /home/tillea/debian-maintain/packages/tipptrainer/tipptrainer-0.6.0/debian/tipptrainer-data-de/usr/share/doc: lrwxr-xr-x 1 tillea admin 11 2005-06-09 10:55

Re: CDBS and /usr/share/doc links

2005-06-09 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Andreas Tille [Thu, 09 Jun 2005 12:00:20 +0200]: Or is there even a hook for doing exactly what I want: Link to the doc directory of a dependant package? I use this in amarok: common-binary-post-install-arch:: for p in $(filter-out amarok,$(DEB_ALL_PACKAGES)); do \

irssi: per-network recoding support would be nice

2005-06-09 Thread Adeodato Simó
Package: irssi Severity: wishlist * David Pashley [Thu, 09 Jun 2005 09:54:13 +0100]: On Jun 09, 2005 at 09:09, Tollef Fog Heen praised the llamas by saying: * Christian Perrier | Again, do not mess with cultures you do not understand. | Do you have real examples? IRC. An example is

Re: libselinux1 - required

2005-06-09 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 09 juin 2005 à 17:43 +1200, Nigel Jones a écrit : Did you know that all Debian kernels now have SELinux compiled in? Yeah, thankfully, I build my own kernels... It seems that for many people, building your own kernel is still considered as a proof of virility. Great.

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 09 juin 2005 à 10:53 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit : At the time, I would have appreciated the opportunity to bootup in a runlevel that wouldn't try to start up the X environment until I had fixed the issue. Now, that is why we have runlevel 1. But in most cases, wasting

Re: irssi: per-network recoding support would be nice

2005-06-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 09, Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like too see recoding suport per IRC network, since I believe it's a common use case scenario. Last time I checked (0.8.10-rc5), only per-channel recoding was supported. You need the charsetwars script. -- ciao, Marco

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 09 juin 2005 à 13:21 +0200, Marco d'Itri a écrit : On Jun 09, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrong. The problem is packages which need to interact with text files, mail and usenet messages generated by broken software, and for which assuming UTF-8 would be totally

freetype package

2005-06-09 Thread Will Newton
This package hasn't had a maintainer upload in 12 months. It is currently at version 2.1.7 whilst upstream is in the process of releasing 2.1.10. These new releases include some quite critical bugfixes and visual improvements. Is this package being actively maintained? I volunteer to help out

Re: freetype package

2005-06-09 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 02:42:26PM +0100, Will Newton wrote: This package hasn't had a maintainer upload in 12 months. It is currently at version 2.1.7 whilst upstream is in the process of releasing 2.1.10. These new releases include some quite critical bugfixes and visual improvements.

Bug#312662 submitter address changed (setting proper submitter)

2005-06-09 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
The submitter address recorded for your Bug report #312662: irssi: per-network recoding support would be nice has been changed. The new submitter address for this report is Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED]. This change was made by Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED]. If it was incorrect, please

Re: Vancouver prpopsal (was Re: Canonical and Debian)

2005-06-09 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 07:05:17AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: By reading the Debconf5 participant list, I bet that much of these will lead to heavy discussions at Debconf and you will have a lot of opportunities to debate them. Just remind that one just cannot be as rude in real life as

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread John Hasler
Frank Lenaerts writes: The proposal however, indicates that a runlevel would be dedicated to X. In my setup, this would mean that my application server would have to run in this dedicated X runlevel because xdm happens to be started there. The proposal would do nothing to prevent you from

Re: Planet Debian and Akregator

2005-06-09 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:54:06 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) wrote: On Jun 09, Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as we all know, Planet Debian generates RSS feeds that Akregator doesn't grok, and both packages point at the other one for being at fault. Yes. The (former?) Planet Debian

Bug#312660: ITP: shish -- the diet shell

2005-06-09 Thread Michael Prokop
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Michael Prokop [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: shish Version : 0.7-pre3 Upstream Author : Roman Senn [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.blah.ch/shish/ * License : GPL Description : the diet shell shish is a

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-06-09 Thread Joey Hess
Matt Zimmerman wrote: I didn't say always, but so far we have done this with every package modified by Ubuntu. However, the situation with X.org seems quite different to me, given your explanation that the packages were created independently. My x.org example is somewhat theoretical, FWIW.

Re: hijacking libhtml-mason-perl

2005-06-09 Thread Florian Weimer
* Charles Fry: I discussed the matter with Joshua Kwan, who recommended that I send this email, asking whether or not it would be acceptable for me to hijack the abandoned libhtml-mason-perl package. Don't forget to coordinate uploads with the request-tracker folks, for whom

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-06-09 Thread David Nusinow
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 01:07:11AM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 03:12:02AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: I didn't say always, but so far we have done this with every package modified by Ubuntu. However, the situation with X.org seems quite different to me, given your

Re: Debian AMD64 Sarge released

2005-06-09 Thread Rafael Rodríguez
Any approximate time for that event? :) Rafael Rodríguez El Jueves, 9 de Junio de 2005 13:29, Joerg Jaspert escribió:  We will continue to track these two releases until AMD64 is in Debian

Re: problems with public keys

2005-06-09 Thread Nico Golde
Hello Adam, * Adam D. Barratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-06-09 15:47]: Nico Golde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, Wednesday, June 08, 2005 9:52 AM My qa page http://qa.debian.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED] looks like this: General information for Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (click to collapse) GPG key id not

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 01:18:39PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 09 juin 2005 à 10:53 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit : Now, that is why we have runlevel 1. But in most cases, wasting runlevels to things that could just as easily be fixed by ending the attempts to start is silly.

Processed: Re: Bug#312605: percent sign in debian package names

2005-06-09 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Steve Greenland
On 07-Jun-05, 12:51 (CDT), Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 07, Adrian von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my wishlist there is NO support of 2.4 kernels Hmm. I've never verified this myself, however until recently it was often claimed that 2.6 is still quite a bit

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Tuesday 07 June 2005 19.51, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jun 07, Adrian von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my wishlist there is NO support of 2.4 kernels Hmm. I've never verified this myself, however until recently it was often claimed that 2.6 is still quite a bit worse than 2.4 for

Bug#312698: ITP: urlgrabber -- advanced URL grabbing package for python

2005-06-09 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Norbert Tretkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: urlgrabber Version : 2.9.6 Upstream Author : Michael D. Stenner and Ryan Tomayko * URL : http://linux.duke.edu/projects/urlgrabber/ * License : LGPL Description :

Re: launchd and lookupd

2005-06-09 Thread muzzle
I really feel that Debian is all about freedom of choice. launchd is a great tool and you should be able to use it if you want to, so including it in Debian is a Good Idea, IMHO of course. You should not decide for _other_ people what will suit their needs. BTW someone could create a very

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 09, Adrian von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dropping 2.4 can easily be done on relatively short notice prior to etch release, so no need to worry about now. It would be too late, because at that time we would have wasted a couple of years trying to support them. This kind of decision

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Tuesday 07 June 2005 23.32, Roger Leigh wrote: Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tuesday 07 June 2005 23:02, Roger Leigh wrote: Existing installs are already configured with debconf. Their /etc/locale.gen will not be touched. If you do dpkg-reconfigure locales, then users could

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 09 June 2005 18:45, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jun 09, Adrian von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dropping 2.4 can easily be done on relatively short notice prior to etch release, so no need to worry about now. It would be too late, because at that time we would have wasted a

Re: Bug#311997: ITP: gaim-latex -- gaim plugin wich translate LaTeX code into image in conversation

2005-06-09 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Nicolas Schoonbroodt wrote: chdir(/tmp) system(latex -interaction=nonstopmode FILE_TEX) system(dvips -o FILE_PS -E FILE_DVI) system(convert FILE_PS FILE_PNG) and finaly a I do a system(rm -rf /tmp/GaimTeX.*) somewhere This is still a security problem, this time from local users: A

Re: freetype package

2005-06-09 Thread Oleksandr Moskalenko
* Will Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-06-09 14:42:26 +0100]: This package hasn't had a maintainer upload in 12 months. It is currently at version 2.1.7 whilst upstream is in the process of releasing 2.1.10. These new releases include some quite critical bugfixes and visual improvements.

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Rich Walker may or may not have written... Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How common was that problem you were trying to solve, again? Presumably, you never used an S3 video card. (Locks up on leaving X in many card/X permutations). IME (one S3 ViRGE), that's VESA

Processed: Re: Bug#312605: percent sign in debian package names

2005-06-09 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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Bug#312605: marked as done (percent sign in debian package names)

2005-06-09 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:21:41 -0500 (CDT) with message-id [EMAIL PROTECTED] and subject line Bug#312605: percent sign in debian package names has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-06-09 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 10:36:25AM -0400, David Nusinow wrote: I'm sorry, this turned out to be very long-winded, but since many people are interested in what's going on with X.Org, I may as well explain to a larger audience than debian-x what's in store. Thanks for bringing concrete

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread John Hasler
Wouter Verhelst writes: In practice, many third-party applications will make assumptions about the availability and configuration of runlevels... Seems to me that the most likely such assumption is that the runlevels are Red Hat-like. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Joey Hess
Adrian von Bidder wrote: Dropping 2.4 can easily be done on relatively short notice prior to etch release, so no need to worry about now. Relatively short notice of several months, even ignoring problems we currently can't solve such as 2.6 not fitting on floppies for the installer, at least.

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread =?iso-8859-1?Q?Humberto_Massa_Guimar=E3es?=
* John Hasler :: Wouter Verhelst writes: In practice, many third-party applications will make assumptions about the availability and configuration of runlevels... Seems to me that the most likely such assumption is that the runlevels are Red Hat-like. IOW, the most likely assumption is

Re: Vancouver prpopsal (was Re: Canonical and Debian)

2005-06-09 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting John Goerzen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I am glad to have discussions take place at Debconf. In-person meetings are a great way to brainstorm and reach some consensus. But I am wary about decisions being reached there, or in IRC, or wherever only a minority of Debian developers can

Bug#312700: ITP: kchmviewer -- chm viewer for KDE

2005-06-09 Thread Tommaso Moroni
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Tommaso Moroni [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: kchmviewer Version : 0.9 Upstream Author : Georgy Yunaev [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://kchmviewer.sourceforge.net * License : GPL Description : chm viewer for KDE

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-06-09 Thread David Nusinow
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 09:45:42AM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: What I've decided to do with X.Org is a compromise. I'm using the Ubuntu packages as a base, but I've spent the last month doing as careful an audit of them as I can, comparing them to the XFree86 packaging, and reverting what

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 02:24:12PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Adrian von Bidder wrote: Dropping 2.4 can easily be done on relatively short notice prior to etch release, so no need to worry about now. Relatively short notice of several months, even ignoring problems we currently can't solve

Bug#312605: [SPAM?]: Bug#312605 acknowledged by developer (Re: Bug#312605: percent sign in debian package names)

2005-06-09 Thread Holger Klawitter
Hi Adam, Of course not. Don't escape the filename when placing it into Packages.gz. Use the unescaped form. As a low bandwidth user I was ending up apt-get updateing one host at a high bandwidth place and creating a mirror from the resulting apt-archive for further local distribution. I

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 09, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, and it seems they have the maintainers interested in maintaining 2.4. The main issue is not maintaining kernel images, but supporting them in other packages. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Otavio Salvador
humberto == Humberto Massa Guimarães [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: humberto * John Hasler :: Wouter Verhelst writes: In practice, many third-party applications will make assumptions about the availability and configuration of runlevels... Seems to me that the most

Re: C++ ABI change -- freezing unstable for new C++ library packages

2005-06-09 Thread Adam Majer
Matthias Klose wrote: We will send an update with a detailed schedule, when the toolchain is ready for the change. I'm sorry but I'm a little bit confused. Is unstable frozen *now*? If yes, is the toolchain being updated now? I'm assuming the change mostly involve moving gcc-defaults to

Re: libselinux1 - required

2005-06-09 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 10:44:30PM +1200, Nigel Jones wrote: It's been implied that people will be basicly *forced* to use selinux, wrong. completely wrong. in the debian kernel builds (as arranged i believe by manoj), the default option for the selinux kernel module is selinux=0. that

heeeeeaaaave! debian releases: the solution to windows viruses!

2005-06-09 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
uhhn... is it just me, or has the world's internet traffic just taken a major performance degradation over the past few days? roll up roll up, get yorr anti-virus sofwarz here - right from a debian mirror. all you have to do is get the debian developers to do _another_ major release. noo more

http://www.golden-gryphon.com/software/security/selinux.xhtml

2005-06-09 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
manoj, hi, i am delighted to see the above web page re: selinux. i notice you mention that there is an effort underway to make a uml-selinux. perhaps i should mention that it is utterly trivial to set up a xen system with a guest domain running pretty much any kind of kernel - including selinux

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Giuseppe Sacco
Il giorno gio, 09-06-2005 alle 19:06 +0200, Frans Pop ha scritto: On Thursday 09 June 2005 18:45, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jun 09, Adrian von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dropping 2.4 can easily be done on relatively short notice prior to etch release, so no need to worry about now.

Re: Re: kernel security bug #307900

2005-06-09 Thread Olaf van der Spek
woody's kernels are vulnerable to CAN-2004-1235, a uselib() race condition. Will this be fixed for Woody? I thought the plan was to provide security support for Woody for another year? -- Olaf van der Spek http://xccu.sf.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: hijacking libhtml-mason-perl

2005-06-09 Thread Julian Mehnle
Charles Fry wrote: [...] I have already packaged the new upstream release of libhtml-mason-perl. Could you make the prepared package available for download in advance? That would be great! Julian. pgpUAPiI9FbmW.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Andreas Gredler
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 02:24:12PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Adrian von Bidder wrote: Dropping 2.4 can easily be done on relatively short notice prior to etch release, so no need to worry about now. Relatively short notice of several months, even ignoring problems we currently can't solve

Re: Planet Debian and Akregator

2005-06-09 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Marc Haber [Thu, 09 Jun 2005 07:13:45 +0200]: Hi, Hi, (cc'ing Mako, the current Planet Debian maintainer) as we all know, Planet Debian generates RSS feeds that Akregator doesn't grok, and both packages point at the other one for being at fault. Does Debian have something like an

Re: C++ ABI change -- freezing unstable for new C++ library packages

2005-06-09 Thread Santiago Vila
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Adam Majer wrote: Also, the testing seems to be now unfrozen except for base. Does the base freeze have anything to do with the new C++ ABI? No, it's more a leftover of the freeze process. I asked Steve today about this. He says base packages will be unfrozen again in a few

Re: Planet Debian and Akregator

2005-06-09 Thread Raphaël Pinson
Le Jeudi 9 Juin 2005 07:13, Marc Haber a écrit : Hi, as we all know, Planet Debian generates RSS feeds that Akregator doesn't grok, and both packages point at the other one for being at fault. As we all know ? I read Planet Debian on Akregator using the RSS and it works great ... What's

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-09 Thread Joey Hess
Andreas Gredler wrote: Is there a way to handle this? Could a kernel be patched to read data from multiple floppy disks? I know that this question sounds a little bit stupid, but floppies still seem to be the most reliable way to boot. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/bootls -l vmlinuz-2.6.11-1-386

Re: http://www.golden-gryphon.com/software/security/selinux.xhtml

2005-06-09 Thread antoine
On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 20:20 +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: manoj, hi, i am delighted to see the above web page re: selinux. Err? i notice you mention that there is an effort underway to make a uml-selinux. perhaps i should mention that it is utterly trivial to set up a xen

Re: freetype package

2005-06-09 Thread Arne Götje (高盛華)
On Thursday 09 June 2005 21:42, Will Newton wrote: This package hasn't had a maintainer upload in 12 months. It is currently at version 2.1.7 whilst upstream is in the process of releasing 2.1.10. These new releases include some quite critical bugfixes and visual improvements. Is this

inconsistent newlines while configuring packages?

2005-06-09 Thread Justin Pryzby
After doing a recent dist-upgrade, I see: $ fg sudo apt-get dist-upgrade Setting up libgphoto2-2 (2.1.5-6) ... Setting up libgphoto2-port0 (2.1.5-6) ... Setting up libxv-dev (4.3.0.dfsg.1-13) ... Setting up libxi-dev (4.3.0.dfsg.1-13) ... Setting up g++-3.3 (3.3.5-13) ... Setting up g++-3.4

Re: http://www.golden-gryphon.com/software/security/selinux.xhtml

2005-06-09 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 11:42:00PM +0100, antoine wrote: On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 20:20 +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: manoj, hi, i am delighted to see the above web page re: selinux. Err? never seen it before :) i notice you mention that there is an effort underway to

namespace conflict != package Conflict?

2005-06-09 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
Hi folks, I have a noob question for you. I maintain the Cogito package (my first), and it wants to install an executable as /usr/bin/git. The GNU Interactive Tools package (git) also wants to install an executable as /usr/bin/git. To avoid this conflict I made cogito Conflict with git. I have

Re: C++ ABI change for etch -- freeze unstable for all C++ libs with changed or new sonames

2005-06-09 Thread Adam Majer
Bill Allombert wrote: On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 01:25:28PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: The time frame of the C++ ABI changed is not yet fixed. We will certainly need some time to get the toolchain in shape to start the transition. In the meantime you can check the new compilers in unstable

Re: kernel security bug #307900

2005-06-09 Thread Adam Majer
Olaf van der Spek wrote: woody's kernels are vulnerable to CAN-2004-1235, a uselib() race condition. Will this be fixed for Woody? I thought the plan was to provide security support for Woody for another year? AFAIK, there is no security support for Woody kernels for some time now. Use

Re: C++ ABI change -- freezing unstable for new C++ library packages

2005-06-09 Thread Adam Majer
Santiago Vila wrote: On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Adam Majer wrote: Also, the testing seems to be now unfrozen except for base. Does the base freeze have anything to do with the new C++ ABI? No, it's more a leftover of the freeze process. I asked Steve today about this. He says base packages

Re: http://www.golden-gryphon.com/software/security/selinux.xhtml

2005-06-09 Thread antoine
i was under the impression, from the above, that somehow debian cannot run selinux/uml. I haven't tried selinux on my debian uml instances. i was therefore recommending an alternative that is, by comparison, just... okay: xen takes a source code download, two kernel compiles, create a

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