Not only for the enjoyment and information of the current community and
for festa .
There will be food and a bar operating from Saturday morning until
Sunday night.
Saturday night a barbeque and entertainment will be held at the Creek.
ddd
*** CNHC *** CNHC *** CNHC ***
Trade Date: Friday,
On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 09:42:50AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
What's the real problem with /dev/{tcp|udp}?
My issue with it is having phantom files that only exist in
one shell on the system, could clash with real files
(although that is more or less totally unlikely). I think
that having the
Original Message
Subject: XS-X-Vcs-Svn or XS-Vcs-Svn was: [Pkg-kde-extras] Re: rev 4976 -
kde-extras/digikam/trunk/debian
From:Mark Purcell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:Fri, November 24, 2006 11:54 am
To: Achim Bohnet [EMAIL
On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 12:03:05PM -, Mark Purcell wrote:
Anyone knows a bit more about all this? Is XS-X-Vcs-Svn or
XS-Vcs-Svn the way to go?
XS-Vcs-Svn is the way to go, see #391023.
While you are at it you can also add XS-Vcs-Browser, pointing to an
http:// -browsable URL, but please
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Programming
on Saturday afternoon with the Bullock and Bull Ride.
With guest speakers, plenty of food and drink outlets and live
entertainment, there will be more than enough to keep you there all day.
Teams from all over Queensland attend this event.
ddd
*** CNHC *** CNHC *** CNHC ***
Trade Date: Friday,
In every country, investors are biased towards investing in their own
country.
The news wires buzz with analysts recommendations to buy, hold, or sell
an investment, or to underweight or overweight it. When is it a good
thing?
GGG
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Trade Date: Friday, November 24,
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On 11/24/06 06:06, Jon Dowland wrote:
On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 09:42:50AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
What's the real problem with /dev/{tcp|udp}?
My issue with it is having phantom files that only exist in
one shell on the system, could clash with
Elive http://www.elivecd.org/gb/Download/Stable/, based on Debian,
requires a donation, however small, to allow downloading. I wonder if
this legally sound.
Ottavio
Do you Yahoo!?
Everyone is raving about the
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On 11/24/06 08:04, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
Elive http://www.elivecd.org/gb/Download/Stable/, based on Debian,
requires a donation, however small, to allow downloading. I wonder if
this legally sound.
Sure. That page links to
Il giorno ven, 24/11/2006 alle 09.09 -0600, Ron Johnson ha scritto:
On 11/24/06 08:04, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
Elive http://www.elivecd.org/gb/Download/Stable/, based on Debian,
requires a donation, however small, to allow downloading. I wonder if
this legally sound.
And if you don't really
On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 06:04:13 -0800 (PST)
Ottavio Caruso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Elive http://www.elivecd.org/gb/Download/Stable/, based on Debian,
requires a donation, however small, to allow downloading. I wonder if
this legally sound.
The DFSG explicitly specifies that licenses of our
Elive http://www.elivecd.org/gb/Download/Stable/, based on Debian,
requires a donation, however small, to allow downloading. I wonder if
this legally sound.
Ottavio
From the page you referred to above:
If you don't care about the future of Elive, and you really think its
possible to
To become free?
This is very simple :) In the middle , you must give the support. We say that
the Debian GNU\Linux. When you do , I loved the business but honour me;
anything can't become good from the Debian! If it comes from your Debian
distrobution developing..
thanks,
,''`. Ozgur Karatas
Am 2006-11-21 11:06:23, schrieb Marco d'Itri:
On Nov 20, Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Debian Users! - I have read it even on THIS list,
that some peoples remove it since it is to huge.
People are stupid. Next.
N.C. except :-)
Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
Michelle
Am 2006-11-22 01:15:59, schrieb Jari Aalto:
The memory footprint[1] of bash is bothering in old PC's, so there are
But what do you mean with an OLD PC?
A 486? Such computers should run busybox anyway.
For example my IBM TP570 (PII/366MHz/192MB)
is happy with /bin/bash and fast enough.
real
Hello David and *,
Am 2006-11-22 20:06:29, schrieb David Weinehall:
On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 07:31:37PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
[snip]
${#NAME}
${parameter:-word}
${parameter:=word}
These are supported in SuSv3 compliant shells too.
Ah, OK.
${parameter:offset}
On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 08:25:27AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 11/24/06 06:06, Jon Dowland wrote:
I think that having the shell re-implement netcat to be
a violation of do one thing and do it well.
Hmmm. A large, complicated shell like bash broke that
stricture long ago, no?
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 22:56 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote:
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 19:33 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote:
I don't see perl used that much for maintainer scripts, or daemon
scripts.
Exactly the *point*. So why isn't this your target?
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 22:54 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote:
David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 07:09:49PM +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
Now the choice of 464kB or 4528kB on a desktop where you're actually
using the shell for interactive things is probably
On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 11:10:19AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 22:56 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote:
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 19:33 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote:
I don't see perl used that much for maintainer scripts, or
On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 21:08 +0100, David Weinehall wrote:
You can use whatever bashisms you like when you're working
interactively, that won't hinder dash from executing shells on boot and
elsewhere. Using bashisms in scripts does however cause a problem.
I think it's time to realize that
* David Weinehall:
We do rely quite heavily on the glibc too, yet its documentation is
nonfree...
The manpages-dev package documents most of the important interfaces,
and it's in main. 8-)
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On Fri November 24 2006 13:15, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Instead of focusing and hammering again and again on /bin/sh, why not
instead ask maintainers to do #!/bin/dash?
because bash offers a larger superset of sh features than dash, and sh
is a standard part of System V-like unix systems
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On 11/24/06 11:54, Jon Dowland wrote:
On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 08:25:27AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 11/24/06 06:06, Jon Dowland wrote:
I think that having the shell re-implement netcat to be
a violation of do one thing and do it well.
Hmmm. A
On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 14:03 -0700, Bruce Sass wrote:
On Fri November 24 2006 13:15, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Instead of focusing and hammering again and again on /bin/sh, why not
instead ask maintainers to do #!/bin/dash?
because bash offers a larger superset of sh features than dash,
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 21:08 +0100, David Weinehall wrote:
You can use whatever bashisms you like when you're working
interactively, that won't hinder dash from executing shells on boot and
elsewhere. Using bashisms in scripts does however
On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 23:55 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote:
Instead of focusing and hammering again and again on /bin/sh, why not
instead ask maintainers to do #!/bin/dash?
Because the correct is #!/bin/sh and not to be tied on particular shell.
I can't tell what you mean. There is nothing wrong
Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Am 2006-11-22 01:15:59, schrieb Jari Aalto:
The memory footprint[1] of bash is bothering in old PC's, so there are
But what do you mean with an OLD PC?
A 486? Such computers should run busybox anyway.
PII with 62-128M, fairly common.
For
On Sat, 2006-11-25 at 00:02 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote:
fast enought is in the eye of a beholder. Try with PII/64M with
X deskop with 20 sessions of bash open. And opening firefox and xchat.
What on earth is this nonsense about multiple invocations? Do you not
understand what shared text is?
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 22:54 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote:
David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 07:09:49PM +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
Now the choice of 464kB or 4528kB on a desktop where you're actually
On Fri November 24 2006 14:42, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 14:03 -0700, Bruce Sass wrote:
On Fri November 24 2006 13:15, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Instead of focusing and hammering again and again on /bin/sh, why
not instead ask maintainers to do #!/bin/dash?
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, 2006-11-25 at 00:02 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote:
fast enought is in the eye of a beholder. Try with PII/64M with
X deskop with 20 sessions of bash open. And opening firefox and xchat.
What on earth is this nonsense about multiple
On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 23:57 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote:
And why do you think that? please take a look at the RES values.
I know you don't understand it, because you just appealed to the RSS
values.
If many processes are sharing text, they all get accounted with the size
of the resident text in
I'm not sure I follow. I' puzzled why you do not seem benefit in:
- Making scripts sh-agnostict. That is making them portable
- Supporting low end systems with minimal of effort
- Improving the overall awaress of shells
I don't care about the awareness of shells, no.
If we can support low
On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 15:12 -0700, Bruce Sass wrote:
Sure, but since all sh scripts would be better off if they specified
dash as their command interpreter... #!/bin/sh use would disappear.
So?
I don't think it's my job to start saying what *other* distributions,
which are not Debian,
On Sunday 19 November 2006 01:35, Michelle Konzack wrote:
[FC core download stats]
Blahblah!
...
So the download statistics would be false anyway.
It's not necessary to be so arrogant. In their email, they acknowledge that
proxies etc. have influenced their stats. Their numbers are a lower
I just discovered ubuntu got a tool I have been planning to make for
Debian, the hwdb-client package making it trivial for the user to
submit information about their hardware to a central location. The
source for it is available from
URL:ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/hwdb-client/, and
Dear Mono developers,
Please write useful long descriptions for your packages.
For example:
$ apt-cache show libmono-sharpzip0.84-cil
Description: Mono SharpZipLib library
Mono is a platform for running and developing applications based on the
ECMA/ISO Standards. Mono is an open source effort
On Fri November 24 2006 15:24, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 15:12 -0700, Bruce Sass wrote:
Sure, but since all sh scripts would be better off if they
specified dash as their command interpreter... #!/bin/sh use would
disappear.
So?
Just pointing out that encouraging
On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 11:52:36PM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote:
I *guess* that Debian has a much higher percentage of downloads through
mirrors where we don't have the log files compared to FC, so this obviously
doesn't change that we won't be able to come even close to a reasonable
On 23 Nov 2006 22:40:01 +0200, Jari Aalto [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
My point. If there is explicit Depends: bash, then someone can post
a patch to provide alternative solution to a person who may not know
alternative constructs (having learned only bashism).
Sorry, but I don't understand what
Alphonse,
Thanks. Call u back,
hone
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On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 01:04:31PM +, Stephen Gran wrote:
As others have pointed out, umask is probably the correct way to make
sure that your files are not world readable. This could trivially be
added to /etc/profile or something.
Yes, there are multiple ways to change Debian's
On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 12:06:09PM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
I've never came across a script on debian or elsewhere that required
this functionality enabled. Indeed I'm horrified to find this feature
enabled on RHEL boxes.
FWIW, ksh93 (as packaged in Debian) has this functionality enabled...
El jue, 23-11-2006 a las 18:50 +0100, Axel Beckert escribió:
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
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Version : 0.1.0
Upstream Author : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 16:28 -0700, Bruce Sass wrote:
but it is Debian's job to be responsive to its users needs and
Debian has made a choice to strive for susv3 compatibility
I don't think you understand what compatibility means in this
context. It does not mean that you can substitute
On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 02:21:43PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
If we can support low end systems with *minimal* effort, fine, but you
are asking lots of *extra* effort.
I think the two of you are spending far more effort *arguing* about this
than it actually takes, in practice, to keep
On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 18:55 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 02:21:43PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
If we can support low end systems with *minimal* effort, fine, but you
are asking lots of *extra* effort.
I think the two of you are spending far more effort
On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 13:12 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
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On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 08:25:27AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 11/24/06 06:06, Jon Dowland wrote:
I think that having the shell re-implement netcat
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm not sure I follow. I' puzzled why you do not seem benefit in:
- Making scripts sh-agnostict. That is making them portable
- Supporting low end systems with minimal of effort
- Improving the overall awaress of shells
I don't care
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Somebody needs to explain to Jari the concept of a shared text segment.
Bash:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep 'Private_Dirty' /proc/$$/smaps | perl -e '$t = 0;
while () { /(\d+) kB$/ or die parse err: $_; $t += $1 } print tot: $t\n'
tot: 2800
Dash:
$ grep
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Version : 4.4.0
Upstream Author : Andreas K. Foerster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Description : programs for
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 16:28 -0700, Bruce Sass wrote:
but it is Debian's job to be responsive to its users needs and
Debian has made a choice to strive for susv3 compatibility
I don't think you understand what compatibility means in this
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 23:55 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote:
Instead of focusing and hammering again and again on /bin/sh, why not
instead ask maintainers to do #!/bin/dash?
Because the correct is #!/bin/sh and not to be tied on particular shell.
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