Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2009-03-24 kello 17:50 -0500, Manoj Srivastava kirjoitti: I am expressing my opinion now, on a mailing list devoted to debian development. I have not been keeping up witht eh bureaucratic rigmarole that seems to be being wrapped around discussions, not after we got the notice

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2009-03-25 kello 01:32 +, Noah Slater kirjoitti: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:39:46AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: I'm curious... What do you think *is* the Debian way of doing things like this ? Manoj's email strongly implied that a DEP was needless bureaucracy. I'm hardly likely

Re: [renamed] Debian crda?

2009-03-25 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Kalle Valo kalle.v...@iki.fi wrote: Luis R. Rodriguez mcg...@gmail.com writes: As a lot of you know we have a new regulatory implementation for Linux wireless now [1]. We have kept the old regulatory implementation through a Kconfig option,

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-25 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, nescivi wrote: Given that there are several audio oriented distributions based on Debian (e.g. 64studio and pure:dyne) that would benefit from this, and I am sure their teams may be interested in helping to support it too. IMHO it makes perfectly sense to try to join

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:20:59PM -0500, Steve M. Robbins wrote: Is the NEW queue going to get processed any time soon? There are 215 packages waiting [1] about half of which have been there 3 or more weeks. FWIW, my lastest NEWs (emerged in the last few days) took between four and six

Re: [renamed] Debian crda?

2009-03-25 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Luis R. Rodriguez mcg...@gmail.com wrote: Last time I poked them it seemed it was not easy to figure out how to deal with, if at all, the optional but recommended RSA signature stuff [1] with the DFSG. [1]

Re: [renamed] Debian crda?

2009-03-25 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Luis R. Rodriguez mcg...@gmail.com wrote: Last time I poked them it seemed it was not easy to figure out how to deal with, if at all, the optional but recommended RSA signature stuff [1] with

Re: [renamed] Debian crda?

2009-03-25 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Luis R. Rodriguez mcg...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Luis R. Rodriguez mcg...@gmail.com wrote: Last time I poked them it seemed it was not easy to figure out how to deal

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Steve M. Robbins st...@sumost.ca writes: Is the NEW queue going to get processed any time soon? There are 215 packages waiting [1] about half of which have been there 3 or more weeks. NEW is being processed almost daily. -- * Sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Deng Xiyue
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:12:10AM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Steve M. Robbins st...@sumost.ca writes: Is the NEW queue going to get processed any time soon? There are 215 packages waiting [1] about half of which have been there 3 or more weeks. NEW is being processed almost daily.

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Deng Xiyue manphiz-gu...@users.alioth.debian.org writes: IMHO, except package with just SONAME bump, packages in NEW queue are better processed in a FIFO manner. Just my two cents. Most of the time this is the case. But, if you upload a large, complex package, that might get passed by for a

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:02:18PM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: IMHO, except package with just SONAME bump, packages in NEW queue are better processed in a FIFO manner. Just my two cents. Most of the time this is the case. But, if you upload a large, complex package, that might get passed

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-25 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le Wednesday 25 March 2009 04:57:39 Gunnar Wolf, vous avez écrit : I agree. I fail to see where the GR process was abused. Since that seems the main argument in favour of this change, I fail to see the motivation for it. This proposal does not come from an abuse to the GR process, but to

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Changwoo Ryu
2009-03-25 (수), 16:55 +0800, Deng Xiyue: IMHO, except package with just SONAME bump, packages in NEW queue are better processed in a FIFO manner. Just my two cents. OTH, do we really need a manual check for SONAME bump? Was there any upload rejection in the past on new binary package addition

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:11:03AM +0100, Guus Sliepen wrote: Obviously this is causing starvation. Maybe one ftpmaster should always work from the back of the queue, or they should make sure to always process one package from the back of the queue for every three from the front? That's not

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Jonathan Wiltshire deb...@jwiltshire.org.uk writes: I enquired previously about whether we might have some developers assist the ftpmasters by pre-assessing packages and reporting appropriately, which might ease the process. I don't know if this would actually help them or just duplicate work,

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Mikael Djurfeldt
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Steve M. Robbins st...@sumost.ca wrote: Is the NEW queue going to get processed any time soon?  There are 215 packages waiting [1] about half of which have been there 3 or more weeks. It might be worthwhile reflecting upon what purpose the queue has. In a

Re: net-tools future

2009-03-25 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mittwoch, 25. März 2009, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Munin ... does not support alerting It does. Directly or via nagios. regards, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:11:03AM +0100, Guus Sliepen wrote: Most of the time this is the case. But, if you upload a large, complex package, that might get passed by for a while so that several small, easy packages might be processed in the same time. Obviously this is causing

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-25 Thread Felipe Sateler
Andreas Tille wrote: After reading the documentation, I still don't know if a blend is useful for us. Blends seem to be some kind of cooler tasks, is that true? Well, the terminology was taken over from tasksel at some former point in time - but it is a little bit more. Could you elaborate

Re: #520646: binNMU oprofile

2009-03-25 Thread Adeodato Simó
Hello, Looks like oprofile needs a rebuild . $ opreport opreport: error while loading shared libraries: libbfd-2.18.0.20080103.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory $ dpkg -L binutils | grep libbfd- /usr/lib/libbfd-2.19.1.so I’m told libbfd.so is a

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le Wednesday 25 March 2009 11:08:28 Stefano Zacchiroli, vous avez écrit : On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:11:03AM +0100, Guus Sliepen wrote: Most of the time this is the case. But, if you upload a large, complex package, that might get passed by for a while so that several small, easy

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-25 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Andreas Tille wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, nescivi wrote: Given that there are several audio oriented distributions based on Debian (e.g. 64studio and pure:dyne) that would benefit from this, and I am sure their teams may be interested in helping to support it too. IMHO it makes perfectly

why is Ardour pretty outdated in stable and not in testing? (was Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production)

2009-03-25 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Hi, Now we're talking about improving Debian for multimedia, realtime kernels and the like, I thought let's make some work on more things to overcome some dissadvantages of Debian for audio production compared to other distro's. Why is such a core app and also beautiful app as Ardour is,

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Romain Beauxis to...@rastageeks.org writes: I have several very small ocaml packages waiting in NEW for several weeks now. I am upstream on these packages, and, honnestly, it takes few minutes to check them (only 3 files of code in tarball). There are currently 46 packages in NEW which have

Re: why is Ardour pretty outdated in stable and not in testing? (was Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production)

2009-03-25 Thread Julien Cristau
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 12:58 +0100, Grammostola Rosea wrote: Why is such a core app and also beautiful app as Ardour is, not even in Debian stable or testing? This is a big problem imo and it should be solved as soon as possible. I can't imagine that there is a real problem, cause I know

packages' config scripts creating files, chroots and buildds.

2009-03-25 Thread Peter Palfrader
Hi, part of the debconf stuff in our packages is the config script. This script's purpose is to ask the sysadmin questions via debconf. The action should then happen in the postinst maintainer script. The way our buildds work right now is that the host apt and host dpkg are asked to install

Re: #520646: binNMU oprofile

2009-03-25 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Adeodato Simó wrote: I’m told libbfd.so is a private/internal library of binutils that should not be dynamically linked against. A static version exists (libbfd.a), and packages should be using that AFAIK. Cc'ing -devel in case there’s a reason it should not

Re: #520646: binNMU oprofile

2009-03-25 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Paul Wise [Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:29:10 +0900]: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Adeodato Simó wrote: I’m told libbfd.so is a private/internal library of binutils that should not be dynamically linked against. A static version exists (libbfd.a), and packages should be using that AFAIK.

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-25 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Grammostola Rosea rosea.grammost...@gmail.com writes: Shouldn't plain Debian also support those Pro audio Firewire devices, the ones the FFADO team are making drivers for? Debian as a whole probably not. However interested contributors are strongly encouraged to help the debian kernel

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-25 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Felipe Sateler wrote: Could you elaborate a bit? From what I gather (after reading the docs and skipping through the pages you have referenced), all I see are tasks (enhanced with metapackages with Recommends), and a nice web frontend. I'm pretty sure I'm missing something

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread James Westby
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 12:32 +0100, Romain Beauxis wrote: My personal experience is not consistent with this. I have several very small ocaml packages waiting in NEW for several weeks now. I am upstream on these packages, and, honnestly, it takes few minutes to check them (only 3 files of

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-25 Thread Gunnar Wolf
I was requested to forward the following mail by Sven Luther: - Forwarded message from Sven Luther s...@powerlinux.fr - From: Sven Luther s...@powerlinux.fr To: Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org, listmas...@debian.org Cc: Romain Beauxis to...@rastageeks.org, debian-devel@lists.debian.org,

Re: packages' config scripts creating files, chroots and buildds.

2009-03-25 Thread Frans Pop
   o Is the fact that the config script is run on the host a bug in      apt-get, dpkg, debconf, or apt-utils? dpkg-preconfigure is part of the debconf package, and gets called using the following configuration setting: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf: DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Mar 25 2009, Lars Wirzenius wrote: ke, 2009-03-25 kello 01:32 +, Noah Slater kirjoitti: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:39:46AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: I'm curious... What do you think *is* the Debian way of doing things like this ? Manoj's email strongly implied that a DEP

Re: packages' config scripts creating files, chroots and buildds.

2009-03-25 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 25 March 2009, Frans Pop wrote: dpkg-preconfigure is part of the debconf package, and gets called using the following configuration setting: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf: DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs {/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true;}; You can probably just remove this

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-25 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Sven Luther dijo [Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 07:01:17AM +0100]: This proposal does not come from an abuse to the GR process, but to generalized frustration about the way 2008_002 and specially 2008_003 were handled. But the reason for this are in no way related with the number of seconds, but

Re: why is Ardour pretty outdated in stable and not in testing? (was Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production)

2009-03-25 Thread Vincent Danjean
Grammostola Rosea wrote: I read this on the Debian multimedia mailinglist: Unfortunately lenny was already freezed by that time, and although both of the above updates were really safe (IMO) and despite all the efforts I and especially Reinhard put into convincing the release managers, we are

Re: why is Ardour pretty outdated in stable and not in testing? (was Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production)

2009-03-25 Thread Cassiel
2009/3/25 Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 12:58 +0100, Grammostola Rosea wrote: Why is such a core app and also beautiful app as Ardour is, not even in Debian stable or testing? This is a big problem imo and it should be solved as soon as possible. I can't imagine

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-25 Thread Adrian Knoth
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:37:37PM +0100, Grammostola Rosea wrote: Why only in 64studio and not in plain Debian? What's good for Debian is good for us :-) but the Debian project may not want to tweak the kernel or the FireWire stack just for the benefit of FFADO users. In the 64 Studio

Re: Alioth - Convert SVN repo to Git

2009-03-25 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 08:44:55PM +0100, sean finney wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:52:28AM -0700, Ryan Niebur wrote: find . -type f -name 'foo*.dsc' | sort (or similar tools, make sure they're sorted in a way as dpkg would sort the versions) | while read i; do git-import-dsc

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:39:12PM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit : Most of the REJECTs are very trivial, so any peer review helps to spot them. I'd say that 90% of the REJECTs are simple the package contains license X files but X isn't listed in debian/copyright. Spotting these before the

Bug#521182: ITP: dans-gdal-scripts -- GINA contributed GDAL tools

2009-03-25 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Francesco Paolo Lovergine fran...@debian.org * Package name: dans-gdal-scripts Version : 0.14 Upstream Author : Dan Stahlke * URL : http://www.gina.alaska.edu/projects/gina-tools * License : BSD Programming Lang: C++

Re: Alioth - Convert SVN repo to Git

2009-03-25 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 02:13:42PM +, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 08:44:55PM +0100, sean finney wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:52:28AM -0700, Ryan Niebur wrote: find . -type f -name 'foo*.dsc' | sort (or similar tools, make sure they're

Re: packages' config scripts creating files, chroots and buildds.

2009-03-25 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 01:18:20PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: This raises some questions: It might also explain why someone found sbuild-createchroot was running apt-get upgrade on the host system. - should config scripts be allowed to create/touch/modify files (I think the answer here

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm the GR process

2009-03-25 Thread Daniel Baumann
Kurt Roeckx wrote: What about: General Resolution sponsorship requirements sounds like package sponsorship requirements to me. therefore i suggest to be extra clear and change it to 'Requirements for General Resolution Sponsorship'. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3,

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Mike O'Connor
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 06:18:00PM +0900, Changwoo Ryu wrote: 2009-03-25 (???), 16:55 +0800, Deng Xiyue: IMHO, except package with just SONAME bump, packages in NEW queue are better processed in a FIFO manner. Just my two cents. OTH, do we really need a manual check for SONAME bump? Was

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Mike O'Connor
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:32:23PM +0100, Romain Beauxis wrote: I have several very small ocaml packages waiting in NEW for several weeks now. I am upstream on these packages, and, honnestly, it takes few minutes to check them (only 3 files of code in tarball). Of course, keep in mind, we

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Mike O'Connor s...@debian.org (25/03/2009): Yes, there have definately been times when packages are rejected from NEW that only got there becuase of a package addition. I'd say its common, even. If a package passes through new, then the maintainer uploads without really paying attention to

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le Wednesday 25 March 2009 16:18:46 Mike O'Connor, vous avez écrit : I have several very small ocaml packages waiting in NEW for several weeks now. I am upstream on these packages, and, honnestly, it takes few minutes to check them (only 3 files of code in tarball). Of course, keep in

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2009-03-25, Mike O'Connor s...@debian.org wrote: As a hint. When this happens, respond to the REJECT email you get when you re-upload so that we know that there is a package we have already checked, so that we know you are re-uploading and addressing our concerns. If you want this,

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Mike O'Connor
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 04:24:59PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Mike O'Connor s...@debian.org (25/03/2009): Yes, there have definately been times when packages are rejected from NEW that only got there becuase of a package addition. I'd say its common, even. If a package passes through

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Romain Beauxis to...@rastageeks.org writes: Le Wednesday 25 March 2009 04:57:39 Gunnar Wolf, vous avez écrit : This proposal does not come from an abuse to the GR process, but to generalized frustration about the way 2008_002 and specially 2008_003 were handled. I understand the furstration

Re: packages' config scripts creating files, chroots and buildds.

2009-03-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Peter Palfrader wea...@debian.org writes: This raises some questions: - should config scripts be allowed to create/touch/modify files (I think the answer here is no) debconf-devel(7): The config script should not need to modify the filesystem at all. It just examines the state

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-25 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le Wednesday 25 March 2009 16:45:59 Russ Allbery, vous avez écrit : There was clearly a need for those GR, so raisong the number of seconders would just have the consequence to prevent us from voting on important topics. FWIW, it is not at all clear to me that there was any need for either

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Clint Adams
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:44:19AM -0400, Mike O'Connor wrote: yes, usually it should. It doesn't always. I have tried to file bugs when I find them in the archive. The citadel related packages are a recent example of this. Unfortunately they don't always get filed. In my mind it would be

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Changwoo Ryu
2009-03-25 (수), 11:13 -0400, Mike O'Connor: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 06:18:00PM +0900, Changwoo Ryu wrote: OTH, do we really need a manual check for SONAME bump? Was there any upload rejection in the past on new binary package addition cases? Yes, there have definately been times when

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Romain Beauxis to...@rastageeks.org writes: Le Wednesday 25 March 2009 16:45:59 Russ Allbery, vous avez écrit : FWIW, it is not at all clear to me that there was any need for either of those GRs (particularly 2008_002, which did indeed strike me as a waste of the GR process). Well, even if

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Mike O'Connor s...@debian.org (25/03/2009): [...] we are having trouble keeping up with the NEW queue wihtout doing all of the source checks of packages not in the queue as you seem to be suggesting we should possibly be doing. Actually, that's not what I meant to suggest. :) I've been

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Michael Meskes
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 04:24:59PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Mike O'Connor s...@debian.org (25/03/2009): Yes, there have definately been times when packages are rejected from NEW that only got there becuase of a package addition. I'd say its ... And while the new package is kept out,

Re: packages' config scripts creating files, chroots and buildds.

2009-03-25 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 08:50:29AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Personally, my first instinct would be to call that an RC bug, but I may be missing some case where config needs to modify the file system. Given that one of the original goals of all this was to allow the config to be done on a

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net writes: On 25/03/09 at 09:06 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: There was a clear need for a clarification. Why we had to vote on the clarification after Ganneff made it clear that it wasn't his intent to implement prior to consensus is still highly perplexing

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-25 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 25/03/09 at 09:06 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Romain Beauxis to...@rastageeks.org writes: For 2008_002 in particular, there was a clear need of such a decision, since the previous announce had been made as if it was about to happen while there was apprently no consensus for it. There

Re: Architecture usertags

2009-03-25 Thread dann frazier
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 05:30:19PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Hi, I thought I'd sent out this mail, but apparently I did that when I had just reinstalled my laptop and the mailsetup wasn't working yet. Sorry about that. Now almost a month ago, I asked Don Armstrong to create

Re: [renamed] Debian crda?

2009-03-25 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kel Modderman k...@otaku42.de wrote: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 17:51:41 Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Luis R. Rodriguez mcg...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 25,

Re: [renamed] Debian crda?

2009-03-25 Thread Kel Modderman
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 17:39:03 Paul Wise wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Luis R. Rodriguez mcg...@gmail.com wrote: Last time I poked them it seemed it was not easy to figure out how to deal with, if at all, the optional but recommended RSA signature stuff [1] with the DFSG.

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Luk Claes
Michael Meskes wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 04:24:59PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Mike O'Connor s...@debian.org (25/03/2009): Yes, there have definately been times when packages are rejected from NEW that only got there becuase of a package addition. I'd say its ... And while the new

Re: [renamed] Debian crda?

2009-03-25 Thread Kel Modderman
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 17:51:41 Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Luis R. Rodriguez mcg...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Luis R. Rodriguez mcg...@gmail.com wrote: Last

Re: Architecture usertags

2009-03-25 Thread Luk Claes
Wouter Verhelst wrote: Hi, Hi I thought I'd sent out this mail, but apparently I did that when I had just reinstalled my laptop and the mailsetup wasn't working yet. Sorry about that. Now almost a month ago, I asked Don Armstrong to create architecture tags in the BTS. I've always felt

Re: [renamed] Debian crda?

2009-03-25 Thread Johannes Berg
On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 03:37 +1000, Kel Modderman wrote: And as its probably best to coordinate with Ubuntu, they have a wireless-crda package which combines both into one package. Its shipping for Jaunty. And that's the only way to sanely package it (by combining the two pieces upstream

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Luk Claes l...@debian.org (25/03/2009): Michael Meskes wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 04:24:59PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: And while the new package is kept out, the package currently in the archive might not be suitable at all. In the case of a single binary

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Mike O'Connor
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 03:57:49PM +, Clint Adams wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:44:19AM -0400, Mike O'Connor wrote: yes, usually it should. It doesn't always. I have tried to file bugs when I find them in the archive. The citadel related packages are a recent example of this.

Re: Architecture usertags

2009-03-25 Thread Luk Claes
Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Luk Claes l...@debian.org wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: Hi, Hi I thought I'd sent out this mail, but apparently I did that when I had just reinstalled my laptop and the mailsetup wasn't working yet. Sorry about that. Now almost a

Re: [renamed] Debian crda?

2009-03-25 Thread Kel Modderman
On Thursday 26 March 2009 03:41:30 Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kel Modderman k...@otaku42.de wrote: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 17:51:41 Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Luis R. Rodriguez mcg...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25,

Re: Architecture usertags

2009-03-25 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Luk Claes l...@debian.org wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: Hi, Hi I thought I'd sent out this mail, but apparently I did that when I had just reinstalled my laptop and the mailsetup wasn't working yet. Sorry about that. Now almost a month ago, I asked Don

Re: [renamed] Debian crda?

2009-03-25 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 3:42 AM, Kel Modderman k...@otaku42.de wrote: The DFSG seems to suggest that the source code to the regulatory database should be modifiable and the derived work distributed under the same license. It is my understanding that: Debian probably won't need to build the

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-25 Thread Clint Adams
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 02:32:19PM -0400, Mike O'Connor wrote: I cannot. I can say that I opened RC bugs and made sure others from the FTP team and from Release and Stable Release were aware of exactly what was happening. The uploader was upstream, so upstream was being made aware as well.

Re: [renamed] Debian crda?

2009-03-25 Thread John W. Linville
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 03:45:30AM +1000, Kel Modderman wrote: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 17:39:03 Paul Wise wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Luis R. Rodriguez mcg...@gmail.com wrote: Last time I poked them it seemed it was not easy to figure out how to deal with, if at all, the

Re: packages' config scripts creating files, chroots and buildds.

2009-03-25 Thread Frans Pop
Russ Allbery wrote: debconf-devel(7): The config script should not need to modify the filesystem at all. It just examines the state of the system, and asks questions, and debconf stores the answers to be acted on later by the postinst script. Conversely, the postinst script should almost

Re: [renamed] Debian crda?

2009-03-25 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Paul Wise wrote: debian-volatile isn't an appropriate place for this because many stable users don't use volatile and it is fairly important they are kept up to date with this, kinda like the timezone database. AFAIK, volatile.d.o _is_ the proper way to keep the timezone

Re: why is Ardour pretty outdated in stable and not in testing?

2009-03-25 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Vincent Danjean wrote: Grammostola Rosea wrote: I read this on the Debian multimedia mailinglist: Unfortunately lenny was already freezed by that time, and although both of the above updates were really safe (IMO) and despite all the efforts I and especially Reinhard put into

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-25 Thread Grammostola Rosea
taste they need to be informed what to choose from. It's like a restaurant where you choose from a menu. Currently we are lacking a complete multimedia menu in Debian. An menu entry for multimedia sounds good to me (Ubuntu has an menu entry for 'multimedia production:

Re: why is Ardour pretty outdated in stable and not in testing?

2009-03-25 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:43:51 +0100 Grammostola Rosea rosea.grammost...@gmail.com wrote: Btw. why doesn't Ardour from unstable hit testing? This is normal for packages in Sid after some time right? Now there is no Ardour in stable AND testing. All the information is available via the PTS for

Re: [renamed] Debian crda?

2009-03-25 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 3:42 AM, Kel Modderman k...@otaku42.de wrote: The DFSG seems to suggest that the source code to the regulatory database should be modifiable and the derived work distributed under the same license. It

Re: [renamed] Debian crda?

2009-03-25 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Luis R. Rodriguez mcg...@gmail.com wrote: Actually technically it could be a different person. I maintain crda upstream and John maintains wireless-regdb upstream, for example. I just need John's pubkey file which is non-binary. CRDA just reads the

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-25 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Grammostola Rosea wrote: taste they need to be informed what to choose from. It's like a restaurant where you choose from a menu. Currently we are lacking a complete multimedia menu in Debian. An menu entry for multimedia sounds good to me (Ubuntu has an menu entry for

Re: Architecture usertags

2009-03-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:59:25AM -0600, dann frazier wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 05:30:19PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: I made a short overview of this on the wiki, at http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Debbugs/ArchchitectureTags Got an extra ch in there? That was pointed out on IRC,

Re: Architecture usertags

2009-03-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 07:03:26PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: Now almost a month ago, I asked Don Armstrong to create architecture tags in the BTS. I've always felt that such a thing would be useful, because often porters are unaware of architecture-specific bugs, simply

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-25 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Andreas Tille wrote: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Grammostola Rosea wrote: taste they need to be informed what to choose from. It's like a restaurant where you choose from a menu. Currently we are lacking a complete multimedia menu in Debian. An menu entry for multimedia sounds good to me (Ubuntu

Re: why is Ardour pretty outdated in stable and not in testing?

2009-03-25 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Reinhard Tartler wrote: Grammostola Rosea rosea.grammost...@gmail.com writes: Could you comment on this? I think it's the best when Ardour will hit Lenny. New packages are not in scope of the update policy of released debian versions. So this is not going to happen. Second

Re: why is Ardour pretty outdated in stable and not in testing?

2009-03-25 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Grammostola Rosea rosea.grammost...@gmail.com writes: Could you comment on this? I think it's the best when Ardour will hit Lenny. New packages are not in scope of the update policy of released debian versions. So this is not going to happen. Second option is as a Lenny backport. That's

Bug#521219: ITP: ttf-umeplus -- Japanese gothic font based on umefont and M+ fonts

2009-03-25 Thread Hideki Yamane
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, pkg-fonts-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org Package name: ttf-umeplus Version: 20090209-1 Upstream Author: UTUMI Hirosi utuhir...@yahoo.co.jp URL:

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-25 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Grammostola Rosea wrote: Nothing against this but I used the term menu in a different than this technical meaning. I hope this became clear in my mail. That was clear, but it bumped up a old idea I had in my head ;) Please take that idea serious... To whom do you

Re: Architecture usertags

2009-03-25 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mittwoch, 25. März 2009, Wouter Verhelst wrote: http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Debbugs/ArchchitectureTags I'm not sure renaming-and-redirecting is possible on the wiki; if it is, someone please do so (and sorry for this mess). done :-) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm the GR process

2009-03-25 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Kurt Roeckx [Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:52:22 +0100]: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 08:03:46PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: I'd also like to complain about the title text of the initial GR. It is clearly manipulative, as it pretends to be merely describing the proposed changes when in fact it is

Keeping track of best practises / policy changes with tracking -devel

2009-03-25 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Hi, I'm finding that I can't keep up with devel but I would like to be able to see a summary of consensuses (consensii?) that result from the discussions, as well a final summaries of best practices (and changes to them. Also a neat changelog of policy changes I should be aware of. Basically I

Re: Keeping track of best practises / policy changes with tracking -devel

2009-03-25 Thread Russ Allbery
(Sending a personal copy because you said that you weren't following debian-devel easily. Apologies if this was a mistake.) Daniel Dickinson csh...@brucetelecom.com writes: I'm finding that I can't keep up with devel but I would like to be able to see a summary of consensuses (consensii?)

This topic died off; any resolution?

2009-03-25 Thread Daniel Dickinson
I kind of got lost in this discussion. Is there a summary and debian policy and debian reference patch so that those of us who are just looking to do what we're supposed to do know what we are supposed to do and how to do it? Thanks, Daniel -- And that's my crabbing done for the day. Got it

New quilt source format

2009-03-25 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Is there any information on how the typical package is supposed to use this new format, or (I'm a little confused on this) is it even in place yet? If it's not in place how do we prepare for it? Regards, Daniel -- And that's my crabbing done for the day. Got it out of the way early, now I

Re: Keeping track of best practises / policy changes with tracking -devel

2009-03-25 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:18:51 -0400 Daniel Dickinson csh...@brucetelecom.com wrote: I'm finding that I can't keep up with devel but I would like to be able to see a summary of consensuses (consensii?) that result from the discussions, as well a final summaries of best practices (and changes to

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