On 04/03/10 at 16:40 -0700, John Wright wrote:
Hi kernel team,
(Cc-ing -devel to get more eyes on the subject, since I'm soliciting
ideas here... See [1] for some context.)
What would it take to get kernel debuginfo into squeeze? As I
understand it, the main blockers were [2]:
Hi John,
2010/2/28 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
currently policy §12.1 mandates that “each program, utility, and
function should have an associated manual page”. However, the more I
stomp on bug reports about manual pages, the less I am convinced of
their usefulness for GUI programs.
How about
On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 15:53 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Daniel Leidert
daniel.leidert.s...@gmx.net wrote:
What's the problem, to write a short manual page, that points to the
--help switch? All the maintainer would have to do is to provide the
intention of the
On 2010-03-04 17:12:15 +0100, Bill Allombert wrote:
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 04:32:45PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Because, of course, the user is too stupid to click the “Help” menu
inside the application.
Because the users have not yet decided if they want to start the application
On 2010-03-05, Daniel Leidert daniel.leidert.s...@gmx.net wrote:
You need a dozen GROFF macros and 2 or 3 escapes. And this is a
burden to you guys? Really?
Patches welcome. I think we have the need of a couple of hundred in KDE.
Probably something similar in gnome land.
and also quite many in
Le vendredi 05 mars 2010 à 09:30 +0100, Vincent Lefevre a écrit :
Because the users have not yet decided if they want to start the application
and they look to the manpage for guidance.
Yes, and for various reasons, it may happen that the application
doesn't start (e.g. due to incorrect
Le vendredi 05 mars 2010 à 08:41 +0100, Daniel Leidert a écrit :
You need a dozen GROFF macros and 2 or 3 escapes. And this is a
burden to you guys? Really?
Given the benefit, which is close to zero? Yes.
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Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 05 mars 2010 à 09:30 +0100, Vincent Lefevre a écrit :
Because the users have not yet decided if they want to start the
application
and they look to the manpage for guidance.
Yes, and for various reasons, it may happen that the application
Le vendredi 05 mars 2010 à 10:56 +0100, Daniel Leidert a écrit :
Of course it does not happen, that evolution crashes for specific
mails and then keeps crashing on every new start, because it opens the
same mail. The only way to fix this, is to start with a different
component. Do you need the
Hi Lucas,
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 09:07:50AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
On 04/03/10 at 16:40 -0700, John Wright wrote:
Hi kernel team,
(Cc-ing -devel to get more eyes on the subject, since I'm soliciting
ideas here... See [1] for some context.)
What would it take to get kernel
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Hi,
I'd like to propose a `sensible-mailer' command. The main usage would
be to handle `mailto' links. But maybe such functionality already exists
and I'm just not aware of it, or there are specific reasons for not
implementing this.
The script should accept a `mailto' link as its parameter and
Harald Braumann, le Fri 05 Mar 2010 15:06:28 +0100, a écrit :
I'd like to propose a `sensible-mailer' command.
Well, there is /etc/alternatives/mailx
Samuel
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On Mar 05, Harald Braumann ha...@unheit.net wrote:
I'd like to propose a `sensible-mailer' command. The main usage would
be to handle `mailto' links. But maybe such functionality already exists
and I'm just not aware of it, or there are specific reasons for not
implementing this.
Le vendredi 05 mars 2010 à 15:06 +0100, Harald Braumann a écrit :
I'd like to propose a `sensible-mailer' command. The main usage would
be to handle `mailto' links. But maybe such functionality already exists
and I'm just not aware of it, or there are specific reasons for not
implementing
On 05.03.2010 15:10, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Harald Braumann, le Fri 05 Mar 2010 15:06:28 +0100, a écrit :
I'd like to propose a `sensible-mailer' command.
Well, there is /etc/alternatives/mailx
It is a different things (IMHO).
mailx is used to send mail (POSIX way),
mailto: means to open a
On 05.03.2010 15:18, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 05 mars 2010 à 15:06 +0100, Harald Braumann a écrit :
I'd like to propose a `sensible-mailer' command. The main usage would
be to handle `mailto' links. But maybe such functionality already exists
and I'm just not aware of it, or there
On 05.03.2010 15:18, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 05 mars 2010 à 15:06 +0100, Harald Braumann a écrit :
I'd like to propose a `sensible-mailer' command. The main usage would
be to handle `mailto' links. But maybe such functionality already exists
and I'm just not aware of it, or there
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 03:30:45PM +0100, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
On 05.03.2010 15:18, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 05 mars 2010 à 15:06 +0100, Harald Braumann a écrit :
I'd like to propose a `sensible-mailer' command. The main usage would
be to handle `mailto' links. But maybe such
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 03:10:26PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Harald Braumann, le Fri 05 Mar 2010 15:06:28 +0100, a écrit :
I'd like to propose a `sensible-mailer' command.
Well, there is /etc/alternatives/mailx
You can't set, e.g., mutt as an alternative. Also the problem with
the
Harald Braumann, le Fri 05 Mar 2010 15:47:02 +0100, a écrit :
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 03:10:26PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Harald Braumann, le Fri 05 Mar 2010 15:06:28 +0100, a écrit :
I'd like to propose a `sensible-mailer' command.
Well, there is /etc/alternatives/mailx
You
Le 05/03/2010 15:43, Harald Braumann a écrit :
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 03:30:45PM +0100, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
On 05.03.2010 15:18, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 05 mars 2010 à 15:06 +0100, Harald Braumann a écrit :
I'd like to propose a `sensible-mailer' command. The main usage
Le 05/03/2010 08:41, Daniel Leidert a écrit :
You need a dozen GROFF macros and 2 or 3 escapes. And this is a
burden to you guys? Really?
Yes. But if you volunteer to do that upstream, I'm sure it'll be really
appreciated. I have stuff way more interesting and/or urgent to do on
Debian (and as
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Le 05/03/2010 11:04, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
Furthermore, for a few releases now, evolution has stopped displaying a
message that triggered a crash on startup. If it still happens for you,
you might consider filing a bug (in addition to the one where you submit
the backtrace for your crash,
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Le 27/02/2010 22:11, markus schnalke a écrit :
[2010-02-27 20:06] Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
I think it is a waste of time to write manual pages that won't be
maintained upstream, and that won't contain more useful information than
--help. The purpose of a manual page is to document
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 04:46:40PM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
Le 05/03/2010 15:43, Harald Braumann a écrit :
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 03:30:45PM +0100, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
On 05.03.2010 15:18, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 05 mars 2010 à 15:06 +0100, Harald Braumann a
On 5 March 2010 17:46, Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org wrote:
Le 27/02/2010 22:11, markus schnalke a écrit :
Man pages have one more important advantage: Every command has one.
Which is not true, and the point of the discussion.
I think it should have read:
They (should) provide a
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 04:09:05PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
2010/2/28 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
currently policy §12.1 mandates that “each program, utility, and
function should have an associated manual page”. However, the more I
stomp on bug reports about manual pages, the less I
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 09:07:50AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
I wonder what we (as Debian) could do about it. Would it make sense to
sponsor a very fast machine that the kernel team could use to build the
kernels and upload from, replacing kernel-archive.buildserver.net ?
The easiest fix is
Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de writes:
Philipp Kern wrote:
On 2010-03-03, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote:
This is where I disagree. When a checksum algorithm is compromised (and
MD5 *is* compromised), things only ever get worse, not better. Indeed,
MD5 preimage attacks are pretty hard
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Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org writes:
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:05:11 -0600, Peter Samuelson wrote:
fundamentally, shipping a md5sums file is really just a tradeoff in
download size vs. installation speed, not unlike gzip vs. bzip2. One
Only if you assume that disks never fail and
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
In this day and age of completely and utterly broken MD5[0], I think we
should stop providing these files, and maybe provide something else
instead. Like, I dunno, shasums? Or perhaps gpgsigs? But stop providing
md5sums.
Is there any reason why we
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes:
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
In this day and age of completely and utterly broken MD5[0], I think we
should stop providing these files, and maybe provide something else
instead. Like, I dunno, shasums? Or perhaps gpgsigs? But stop
[Russ Allbery]
Figuring out a better solution for why the files in /var/lib/ispell
and /var/lib/aspell are excluded from the md5sums generation because
they change after installation is probably needed if we're going to
remove creation of those files from control of the packager.
It seems
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:05:11 -0600, Peter Samuelson wrote:
fundamentally, shipping a md5sums file is really just a tradeoff in
download size vs. installation speed, not unlike gzip vs. bzip2. One
Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org writes:
Only if you assume that disks never fail
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 04:32:45PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 04 mars 2010 à 15:20 +0100, Bill Allombert a écrit :
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 10:26:06AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
No. It’s just that they ship with HTML documentation, which is much more
suitable for
A package I maintain (opendkim) has released a new major version which
removes support for a commonly-used conf file setting in the previous
version. Although that setting is common, it is not set by default in
the Debian package.
However, this package has yet to see a Debian release. As such, it
On 2010-03-05 17:41:25 +, brian m. carlson wrote:
Allowing any format viewable in Debian potentially requires the
average user to install lots of random packages just to view basic
documentation on invoking a program. Also, providing, for example, PDF
documentation as the sole form for a
On 2010-03-05 11:04:48 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Command-line switches are documented where you expect them to be
documented: in command-line switches, with the standard --help option.
This is nonsense. Not all commands understand --help.
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Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web:
On 2010-03-05 10:56:21 +0100, Daniel Leidert wrote:
Of course it does not happen, that evolution crashes for specific
mails and then keeps crashing on every new start, because it opens the
same mail. The only way to fix this, is to start with a different
component. Do you need the bug report
Hello everybody,
for the record, I have sumbitted to the Debian fork of the man system the idea
of tapping into the desktop menu entries when a program has no manpage.
https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/index.php?29083
“For those who care about manpages”, I would like to point out that the
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
for the record, I have sumbitted to the Debian fork of the man system
the idea of tapping into the desktop menu entries when a program has no
manpage.
https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/index.php?29083
This seems like an unnecessarily complex way of
On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 12:32 -0800, Mike Markley wrote:
A package I maintain (opendkim) has released a new major version which
removes support for a commonly-used conf file setting in the previous
version. Although that setting is common, it is not set by default in
the Debian package.
I should probably also mention that I'm assuming most people use
apt-listchanges, which may not be accurate. :)
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Package: initscripts
Version: 2.87dsf-8.1
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I am tentatively opening this bug on initscripts to start a discussion,
but I am unsure about the best way to solve the problem.
Still, I believe it is important to solve it in time for the next
release because it is a prerequisite of
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 05:03:05AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
Do we agree to mount these filesystems on /dev/ subdirectories?
Fedora[1] uses /dev/hugepages/ for hugetlbfs, and while we had a
discussion on debian-devel@ about where cgroups should be mounted there
was no clear winner.
The
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