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On Mi, Okt 12, 2011 at 06:09:00 (CEST), Ivan Shmakov wrote:
Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it writes:
[…]
So let's look at the reasons against merging /usr in / listed in my
final summary. All of them do not apply to merging / in /usr, and
actually become arguments in favour of doing it:
On 2011-10-11, Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote:
I especially dislike moving /sbin/ and /usr/sbin/ to /usr/bin/.
That's namespace pollution, you don't want to have executables you can't run
due to them being root-only in your $PATH.
You could skip executables that you cannot run in tab
On 2011-10-11, Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove
What I don't buy is the your /usr will be your /System thing. We're
too much entangled with /var (the dpkg DB for instance), so that there
are parts in /var that are not at all host-specific but
On 2011-10-11, Ognyan Kulev o...@tower.3.bg wrote:
На 11.10.2011 17:32, Marco d'Itri написа:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove
This reminds me a bit of the /usr/doc/ = /usr/share/doc/ transition.
This changes semantics of /usr directory. /usr becomes all shareable
files,
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:06:35AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:29 AM, Adrien wrote:
The packaging is now ready and we are looking for a sponsor to include it in
the qt-kde repository (http://qt-kde.debian.net/). So experienced users can
test it before the official
Philipp Kern tr...@philkern.de writes:
On 2011-10-11, Ognyan Kulev o...@tower.3.bg wrote:
На 11.10.2011 17:32, Marco d'Itri написа:
[…]
/usr/src - /usr/share/src
Probably depends if you want to support compile outputs there. I
guess some people compile their kernels there.
On 10/11/2011 04:32 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
I am still not 100% persuaded that this would be easy to do, but at
least I think that it has more merit than the old move all to /...
i'd rather see a /$foo and /usr/$foo merger to /system/$foo, so we can
have the trichotomy /system, /local and
Reinhard Tartler siret...@debian.org writes:
On Mi, Okt 12, 2011 at 06:09:00 (CEST), Ivan Shmakov wrote:
[…]
AFAIUI Harald (the fedora maintainer for their initramfs tool
dracut), he dislikes having a separate set of tools in /usr and the
initramfs, i.e., he strongly favors putting
Daniel Baumann daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net writes:
On 10/11/2011 04:32 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
I am still not 100% persuaded that this would be easy to do, but at
least I think that it has more merit than the old move all to /...
i'd rather see a /$foo and /usr/$foo merger
On Oct 12, Daniel Baumann daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net wrote:
On 10/11/2011 04:32 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
I am still not 100% persuaded that this would be easy to do, but at
least I think that it has more merit than the old move all to /...
i'd rather see a /$foo and /usr/$foo
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 06:56:25AM +, Philipp Kern wrote:
On 2011-10-11, Ognyan Kulev o...@tower.3.bg wrote:
На 11.10.2011 17:32, Marco d'Itri написа:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove
This reminds me a bit of the /usr/doc/ = /usr/share/doc/ transition.
This changes
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Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl (12/10/2011):
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 06:56:25AM +, Philipp Kern wrote:
On 2011-10-11, Ognyan Kulev o...@tower.3.bg wrote:
/usr/include - /usr/share/include
Obviously broken. Includes can (and will be) architecture-specific.
With multiarch,
]] Ivan Shmakov
| The problem, AIUI, is that we start udev(7) before /usr is
| mounted. As udev is prone to spawn all the sorts of software in
| turn, we're either going to move more and more from /usr to /,
| /or/ to invent more kluges so that udev scripts would
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:50:32PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl (12/10/2011):
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 06:56:25AM +, Philipp Kern wrote:
On 2011-10-11, Ognyan Kulev o...@tower.3.bg wrote:
/usr/include - /usr/share/include
Obviously broken.
Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes:
The problem, AIUI, is that we start udev(7) before /usr is mounted.
As udev is prone to spawn all the sorts of software in turn, we're
either going to move more and more from /usr to /, /or/ to invent
more kluges so that udev scripts would actually
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On 10/12/2011 11:28 AM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
This would be the practical effect, but let's try to not get away
too much from UNIX...
moving / to /usr will take a lot of time in the linux ecosystem. since i
prefere doing such a thing only once in a
Hi there!
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:24:09 +0200, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca writes:
On 2011-10-12, Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it wrote:
- read only system: more parts would be read only
? Surely you can make whatever you want read only now.
With all the
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 01:56:47PM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote:
moving / to /usr will take a lot of time in the linux ecosystem. since i
prefere doing such a thing only once in a decade, going for the right
thing directly is better than going for something incomplete first.
Sensible.
oiow,
Hi there!
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:58:24 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
So let's look at the reasons against merging /usr in / listed in my
final summary. All of them do not apply to merging / in /usr, and
actually become arguments in favour of doing it:
[...]
- dmcrypt: more parts would not need
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
[...]
oiow, someone with time should just make that trichotomy happen in FHS 3.0.
I think there's a chicken-and-egg problem here: FHS want to document existing
practice. Someone needs to put work into a runnable concept OS
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Hi,
Ana Guerrero wrote:
Adrien, for this please ask in pkg-kde-talk@lists.alioth or in irc
#debian-qt-kde.
thanks for the answer. So I will continue the discussion on pkg-kde-talk ;-)
Adrien
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On 10/12/2011 05:42 PM, Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre wrote:
Did you know about http://www.gobolinux.org/ ?
gobolinux is iirc that project that aims to replicate what windows does:
having every application (and it's depends) in one directory so that
uninstalling is a matter of removing a single
]] Ivan Shmakov
| Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes:
|
| (With the assumption that /usr is on a separate fs from /): You might
| very well need to load some drivers (be it network, FC, USB, SATA or
| something else) and probe some bits (iSCSI auth?) to actually get to
| the right
On 2011-10-12, Daniel Baumann daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net wrote:
On 10/12/2011 05:42 PM, Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre wrote:
Did you know about http://www.gobolinux.org/ ?
gobolinux is iirc that project that aims to replicate what windows does:
having every application (and it's
On Oct 12, Reinhard Tartler siret...@debian.org wrote:
On the other hand, Debian has chosen against that and relies on klibc,
ipconfig, etc. for early userspace and thus, the initramfs. I suspect
the main motivations behind these decisions were portability and size
(please correct me and add
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 09:24:33PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
The Debian initramfs of my sid system is 10 MB, while the one from my
My / (testing) is 193M, so I guess, I have much more „emergency” programs
available than you. The last time I was trapped within a initramfs, the
available
Hello Matt Zagrabelny,
Am 2011-10-11 11:21:30, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
There are good arguments in the following link (Marco provided it with
his initial email.)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove
I have read this too but what about systems which do not have an initrd?
I recently booted up a Debian Live standard image on a test system,
and noticed that it included a running instance of exim. Curious why a
live system would need an MTA, I found Debian Live's policy that the
standard image contains everything installed as part of a standard
Debian system (and
Hello Stephan Seitz,
Am 2011-10-12 22:20:50, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
Most of my systems don’t use initramfs and have / and /usr on
different file systems. I am no interested in changing this good
tradition.
Here too...
Using the inittamfs on my 6 storage servers (each 48 HDD 2 TB
Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org writes:
What would it take to make this change?
Changing the LSB. Or you need to keep the sendmail interface. Which is
what mail-transport-agent provides.
Have I missed any important points?
You forgot to explain the upside, reason, why, gain, whatever.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 02:39:13PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
Popcon shows that ~65-70% of Debian systems have exim4 installed.
30-35% of users cared enough to remove exim, and another 7% or so seem to
have configured their systems to stop running it (at boot or otherwise)
without actually
On Oct 13, Michelle Konzack linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net wrote:
Using the inittamfs on my 6 storage servers (each 48 HDD 2 TB intern and
the same extern)requires rootdelay=3000 and longer. Working without
reduce the average boottime to 12 minutes.
Looks like you need to work out what is
Adam Borowski wrote:
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 02:39:13PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
Popcon shows that ~65-70% of Debian systems have exim4 installed.
30-35% of users cared enough to remove exim, and another 7% or so seem to
have configured their systems to stop running it (at boot or
Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes:
]] Ivan Shmakov
Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes:
(With the assumption that /usr is on a separate fs from /): You
might very well need to load some drivers (be it network, FC, USB,
SATA or something else) and probe some bits (iSCSI auth?) to
Stephan Seitz wrote:
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 09:24:33PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
I still do not believe that portability is an issue, and please
remember that this would not force people to use an initramfs unless
they want to keep /usr on a standalone file system.
Most of my systems don’t
Bjørn Mork wrote:
Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org writes:
What would it take to make this change?
Changing the LSB. Or you need to keep the sendmail interface. Which is
what mail-transport-agent provides.
lsb-core provides the LSB interface, and it has priority extra, not
standard. It
As someone who runs Debian on his smartphone, I completely agree with
making an MTA optional.
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On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:45 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:
That would break their system as daemons have no way to notify the user
something is wrong.
The user will not be notified even if the daemons send a mail to them.
I don't think any of the desktops GUIs that we ship know anything
about the
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