Thorsten,
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 05:23:33PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Lucas Nussbaum leader at debian.org writes:
I think that it would be a failure of the Debian project if we had to
have a GR about such a technical decision. I think that we need to
trust that the Technical
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 23:45 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
OpenRC has been waiting in the NEW queue (targeting experimental, as
this is what it is right now: experimental!) for more than a month. It'd
be nice if someone from the FTP master team could review it, so that at
least others can try
On 28/10/13 at 18:21 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Wouter Verhelst wou...@master.debian.org writes:
Also, since all alternative init implementations under consideration do
support sysv-style init scripts, I think that whatever init system we
(well, you, the TC) end up choosing, the
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 05:22:14PM +, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 11:20:21AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
Right. Whichever init system we pick, I do expect the next step to be to
drop the requirement to maintain sysvinit backwards-compatibility;
While I'm not sure
Olav Vitters olav at vitters.nl writes:
Most of systemd is not in pid1. This was explained by a blog references
But (by the time of the jessie freeze, at least) it will need systemd to
be pid1 to work. Same thing, really, just picking words.
bye,
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 08:37:02AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Olav Vitters olav at vitters.nl writes:
Most of systemd is not in pid1. This was explained by a blog references
But (by the time of the jessie freeze, at least) it will need systemd to
be pid1 to work. Same thing, really,
TL;DR: Thoughts on using systemd .service files on non-Linux ports.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 09:20:10AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Note that there are two options that could be explored, to remove the
need to maintain init scripts:
- generating sysvinit scripts from systemd service files or
Hi Svante,
On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 08:57:13 +0100 Svante Signell wrote:
Triggered by the good news about OpenRC for GNU/kFreeBSD
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/10/msg00991.html
I wouldn't get too excited just yet; with more work we might get OpenRC
working on our ports, but some still
On 25 October 2013 17:22, YunQiang Su wzss...@gmail.com wrote:
After more than half of a year's hard work, we have the mips64el port
almost done.
Now we have more than 7600 packages build successfully.
The current build status can be found in http://vip.moonux.org/attempted/
Hey! - well
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Graham Whaley graham.wha...@gmail.com wrote:
On 25 October 2013 17:22, YunQiang Su wzss...@gmail.com wrote:
After more than half of a year's hard work, we have the mips64el port
almost done.
Now we have more than 7600 packages build successfully.
The current
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:22 AM, YunQiang Su wrote:
After more than half of a year's hard work, we have the mips64el port
almost done.
Now we have more than 7600 packages build successfully.
Congrats!
Please create a page
On 29 October 2013 11:50, YunQiang Su wzss...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]
Nice. Can I ask which board that is? I have some boards reserved for me
in
Loongson that I am highly likely to purchase, and suspect (but would
like to
confirm) that they are the same board that you are using. I will
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Graham Whaley graham.wha...@gmail.com wrote:
On 25 October 2013 17:22, YunQiang Su wzss...@gmail.com wrote:
After more than half of a year's hard work, we have the mips64el port
almost done.
Now we have more than 7600 packages build successfully.
The current
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Graham Whaley graham.wha...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 October 2013 11:50, YunQiang Su wzss...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]
Nice. Can I ask which board that is? I have some boards reserved for me
in
Loongson that I am highly likely to purchase, and suspect (but
On 10/29/2013 03:42 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
Op 28-10-13 19:28, Thomas Goirand schreef:
So, as per the replies we've read, it seems that the only way to
implement DNSSEC would be to first check if it works, and if it doesn't,
fallback to the locally provided recursive DNS server.
There's
Ben Hutchings writes (Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to
default to in Debian.):
I do. I think non-Linux ports make more sense as derivative
distributions. This gives them the freedom to drop packages that aren't
worth porting, work around Linux-isms as necessary, improve
On 2013-10-29 22:03:59 (+0800), Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote:
On 10/29/2013 03:42 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
There's also no reason why you _need_ a local DNS server to be able to
do DNSSEC resolving; you can theoretically use a stub resolver (though
I'm not sure if there's a stub
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013, at 5:10, Ben Hutchings wrote:
I do. I think non-Linux ports make more sense as derivative
distributions. This gives them the freedom to drop packages that aren't
worth porting, work around Linux-isms as necessary, improve integration
with their own kernel, and release
Tollef Fog Heen writes (Re: Proposal: s have a GR about the init system):
Both Colin and Steve are excellent developers. I see no need for any of
them to recuse themselves because of their employer. Whether Steve
should recuse himself due to him being the maintainer of one of the
packages is
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Graham Whaley graham.wha...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 October 2013 13:34, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote:
It would require much more resource to spend on making more ports,
this means more build machines and man power, which is not sufficient
at mean time.
Niels Thykier writes (Bits from the Release Team (Jessie freeze info)):
Results of porter roll-call
===
...
Summary table:
Arch || DDs || NMs/DMs || Other || Total
- ---++-++-++---++--
armel || 5 || 0 || 2
On 29 October 2013 13:40, Aron Xu happyaron...@gmail.com wrote:
What we are running isn't any of them, and the 2-way server board
looks promising.
Thanks both. OK, so I've no details from Loongson about the boards they
have for me yet either - I suspect it may be the same as your board.
On 29 October 2013 13:34, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote:
It would require much more resource to spend on making more ports,
this means more build machines and man power, which is not sufficient
at mean time.
True. I hopefully have some resource coming online, and I may also have
some
On Monday, October 28, 2013 12:15:09 PM Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
Le 27/10/2013 16:30, Daniel Schepler a écrit :
(To be honest, the
Java packages are such a tangled mess that I've given up on trying to
bootstrap that part of the archive for now -- and many of those do get
pulled into the
On 2013-10-29 16:05, Ian Jackson wrote:
Niels Thykier writes (Bits from the Release Team (Jessie freeze info)):
Results of porter roll-call
===
...
Summary table:
Arch || DDs || NMs/DMs || Other || Total
- ---++-++-++---++--
Ondřej Surý writes (security-aware-resolver virtual package (Was: Two new
DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server recursive-name-server))):
since the authoritative-name-server idea was rejected by the list, I was
going to propose alternative:
security-aware-resolver
The
Wouter Verhelst writes (Re: Jessie release goal: DNSSEC as default recursive
resolver):
There is nothing in DNSSEC which makes it inherently incompatible with
using DNS forwarders. Talking to the root DNS servers is fun and all,
but there's really no good reason why you shouldn't use the large
Hi Helmut,
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:22:54AM +0100, Helmut Grohne wrote:
Having read the parts of the ctte bug, it feels odd to preclude the
option of supporting multiple init systems from discussion or
consideration. If Debian is to support only one init system and that one
init system is
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013, at 17:35, Ian Jackson wrote:
Wouter Verhelst writes (Re: Jessie release goal: DNSSEC as default
recursive resolver):
There is nothing in DNSSEC which makes it inherently incompatible with
using DNS forwarders. Talking to the root DNS servers is fun and all,
but
Niels Thykier writes (Re: Bits from the Release Team (Jessie freeze info)):
On 2013-10-29 16:05, Ian Jackson wrote:
I'm keen that Debian should continue to support a wide range of
architectures. Would it help if I, as a DD, volunteered to sponsor
porter uploads for any architecture ? That
]] Aron Xu
IPMI would be lovely, but I'm not sure we can locate a board right now with
that - so, we may have to fix remote management with a remotely controlled
power/reset box - I believe they exist (something else I've been looking
into). If the DSA already use some then I'd be
Hi,
Graham == Graham Whaley graham.wha...@gmail.com writes:
What we need to consider here is also board price and availability. We
can buy 2f mini-PCs, relatively cheap and easily. If they satisfy a
need then they may be (a mid-term/interim) solution to shortage of
hardware right now. If I
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote:
]] Aron Xu
IPMI would be lovely, but I'm not sure we can locate a board right now with
that - so, we may have to fix remote management with a remotely controlled
power/reset box - I believe they exist (something else
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote:
]] Aron Xu
IPMI would be lovely, but I'm not sure we can locate a board right now with
that - so, we may have to fix remote management with a remotely controlled
power/reset box - I believe they exist (something else
On 10/29/2013 03:57 PM, Svante Signell wrote:
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 23:45 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
OpenRC has been waiting in the NEW queue (targeting experimental, as
this is what it is right now: experimental!) for more than a month. It'd
be nice if someone from the FTP master team
On 10/29/2013 06:53 PM, Steven Chamberlain wrote:
Hi Svante,
On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 08:57:13 +0100 Svante Signell wrote:
Triggered by the good news about OpenRC for GNU/kFreeBSD
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/10/msg00991.html
I wouldn't get too excited just yet; with more work we
previously on this list Philipp Kern contributed:
I'm not sure why our enterprise users don't count as users as well.
Of course they do even if the couple of people possibly concerned with
it that I know use.. is it Citrix? I was merely pointing out that it
is an extremely small minority of
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote:
]] Aron Xu
IPMI would be lovely, but I'm not sure we can locate a board right now
with
that - so, we may have to fix remote management with a remotely
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Bastien ROUCARIES
roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote:
]] Aron Xu
IPMI would be lovely, but I'm not sure we can locate a board
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 06:37:35PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
Of course they do even if the couple of people possibly concerned with
it that I know use.. is it Citrix? I was merely pointing out that it
is an extremely small minority of Debian users but possibly? a majority
Do you have any
On 10/29/2013 10:27 AM, Brian May wrote:
On 29 October 2013 12:21, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org
mailto:r...@debian.org wrote:
In other words, I don't think it would make any sense at all to
standardize on upstart or systemd and then ask people to continue to
write
init
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Bastien ROUCARIES
roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Bastien ROUCARIES
roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Bastien ROUCARIES
roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote:
]] Aron
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:29:10PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:13:34PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
And this is not just an issue because of people not wanting to use systemd
init, but also because systemd init *can't* run in a container.
Whoah,
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Bastien ROUCARIES
roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Bastien ROUCARIES
roucaries.bast...@gmail.com
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:46 PM, Bastien ROUCARIES
roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Bastien ROUCARIES
roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org
On Oct 29, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
There are various other options, including not changing away from sysvinit
or someone porting the necessary support to Hurd and kFreeBSD. Or, of
course, dropping Hurd and kFreeBSD, although I'm sure that no one wants
that outcome.
Well. If the
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:15:10PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:29:10PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:13:34PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
And this is not just an issue because of people not wanting to use systemd
init, but
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Damyan Ivanov d...@debian.org
* Package name: libmoosex-types-stringlike-perl
Version : 0.001
Upstream Author : David Golden dagol...@cpan.org
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* License :
previously on this list Olav Vitters contributed:
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 06:37:35PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
Of course they do even if the couple of people possibly concerned with
it that I know use.. is it Citrix? I was merely pointing out that it
is an extremely small minority of
On 24/10/13 18:31, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
What's the the status of XFCE regarding accessibility?
That was a big strengh of GNOME for a long time, though I've heard
rumors (sorry not to be more specific) that gnome-shell has some
unsolved issues in that regard, which is a problem since GNOME
On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:38:09 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.au writes:
My understanding is that init scripts will still be required for FreeBSD
and The Hurd.
I would not assume that. At least, I personally don't think that
switching to upstart or systemd
2013/10/29 Steven Chamberlain ste...@pyro.eu.org:
[...]
Just wondering, if systemd upstream cares only for Linux and that's
considered okay, might they also start dropping support for
architectures they stop caring about (or for commercial reasons)? Say
MIPS, s390, SPARC. In that case,
Steven Chamberlain ste...@pyro.eu.org writes:
But that seems like the easiest way to not break what is already working
in GNU/kFreeBSD, Hurd - and on users' own Linux systems if they have
non-Debian software using SysV init scripts.
The last is unrelated. Both systemd and upstart support
Olaf Titz o...@bigred.inka.de writes:
Aeh, are you sure? I think you missed my point. I'm not involved with
any init system, nor a Debian developer, yet by developing some random
app and having it depend on a specific init system, I could (according
to you) make that init system unsuitable for
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
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Upstream Author : Volatility Foundation volatil...@volatilityfoundation.org
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* License
On Tue, 2013-10-29 at 00:51 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
(Also, do remember that any decisive outcome other than “support
multiple ones including systemd” and “systemd-only” will need to
lead to the removal of GNOME from Debian.
Absolutely not true. As Tollef mentions in his follow-up,
On 28/10/13 20:14, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
For those who haven't seen it, Lennart has posted some of his comments
about all this on G+:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/115547683951727699051/posts/8RmiAQsW9qf
And here is the reply from Gentoo developer Patrick Lauer:
Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com writes:
On 28/10/13 20:14, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
For those who haven't seen it, Lennart has posted some of his comments
about all this on G+:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/115547683951727699051/posts/8RmiAQsW9qf
And here is the reply from
(Removing the ctte bug from CC to reduce noise)
On 10/29/2013 11:59 PM, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote:
On 28/10/13 20:14, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
For those who haven't seen it, Lennart has posted some of his comments
about all this on G+:
On 29/10/13 01:34, Steven Chamberlain wrote:
Actually quite amazing how painless that was, though I most certainly
don't expect it to be functional yet.
I have tested it now. It's actually running and doing 'something'! And
it is colourful.
I'm testing it inside of a BSD jail currently.
On 10/29/2013 09:34 AM, Steven Chamberlain wrote:
Hi,
On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 02:47:56 +0800 Thomas Goirand wrote:
Note that OpenRC already works on some (non-Debian) BSD platforms, and
that it should be trivial to have it to build on kFreeBSD and Hurd,
And so I came up with the attached
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