On 17 Feb 2014 06:54, Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote:
I have no idea whether this remark is helpful but this thread inspired
me to give pulseaudio another chance on one of my boxes (I had
deinstalled previously on all boxes where sound stoped working at some
point in time randomly).
On 02/17/2014 08:44 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
So, if your computer has several sounds cards - which is the case when
you have both a sound card and HDMI audio - how is PulseAudio supposed
to know which sound card to use? This is in no way different to plain
]] The Wanderer
(And now I wait for someone to point out an obvious specialized format
and/or tool that everyone uses that I've overlooked...)
.deb files? :-)
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Hi,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz:
As an example, most users who use systemd probably still restart
services using /etc/init.d/service restart, just because it works.
It's simply less to type if you don't otherwise like bash-autocomplete. :-P
It's also noteworthy that complains about PulseAudio
Hi,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz:
Use all of them. Most of them most likely aren't connected to anything,
so sending a signal there is harmless.
I don't know whether this is a good idea. What if I want to listen to
something over my headphones which I don't others want to hear and
I know
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 09:18:51AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Hi,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz:
As an example, most users who use systemd probably still restart
services using /etc/init.d/service restart, just because it works.
It's simply less to type if you don't otherwise like
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:57 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On 02/17/2014 08:37 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
It might just be that DDs/computer experts just have more customized setups
that break in interesting ways when effort isn't spent porting the
Hi,
Chow Loong Jin:
It's simply less to type if you don't otherwise like bash-autocomplete. :-P
Really? I've been using service service restart which autocompletes well
too, and is even less to type. Works well with systemd, upstart, and sysvinit.
I intentionally disable bash autocomplete
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 04:26:31PM +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 09:18:51AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
As an example, most users who use systemd probably still restart
services using /etc/init.d/service restart, just because it works.
It's simply less to type if you
[Petter Reinholdtsen]
Have you consider the /lib/init/init-d-script approach now available
in unstable when considering how hard it is to maintain init.d
scripts? It allow package maintainers to only store the package
specific parts in their init.d scripts, and offload the complete
On 17 Feb 2014 19:33, darkestkhan darkestk...@gmail.com wrote:
It is also noteworthy that when most of average users getting this kind
of problems would go back to Windows (hey, at least audio works there)
In my case, was the reverse. When Windows audio didn't work (incorrectly
says nothing
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 09:02:56AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Well. You can't blame PulseAudio if you have an .asoundrc in your home
directory which configures your sound card incorrectly.
I just want to confirm that I have no file ~/.asoundrc in my home dir
and I never had
Le samedi 15 février 2014 à 22:12 +0100, Salvo Tomaselli a écrit :
Well I am now biased against pulseaudio. But let's look at the facts: it
comes
by default, in the last 3 desktop machines that I've installed, it prevented
any audio to be heard.
Am I so unreasonable to think that since it
Hi,
Wouter Verhelst:
discussion. No, we should not depend on it for Debian; but we should
provide the interface for system administrators who wish to use it,
because it is not Debian's place to tell them that they cannot use that
interface.
It's not our place to tell people that they
Hi,
On 02/03/2014 10:13, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
Following the removal of ia64 from jessie, we intend to complete the
process by removing it from unstable and experimental next weekend, that
is 15th/16th Februrary 2014. If anyone has any objection to this,
please let us know as soon as
On 02/17/2014 12:50 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
And ia64 is now gone from unstable and experimental since last Saturday.
And isn't it going to become a port like all the other dropped
architectures?
Adrian
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`.
I just fell into #690536 and found that it has been acknowledged and even a
patch has been proposed some 18 months ago, but no upload has been made. Is
anyone still working on it? Besides, this teams calls itself Debian/Ubuntu
... but the buntu packages were updated. So what's going on?
Michael
Hi Adrian,
On Mo, 17 Feb 2014, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Exactly what I have been thinking all the time. And I find the argument
all DDs are computer experts, so if they can't get it working it
must be broken a particularly bad one.
Well, the amount of DDs mentioning that on their
On Mo, 17 Feb 2014, Michael Meskes wrote:
I just fell into #690536 and found that it has been acknowledged and even a
patch has been proposed some 18 months ago, but no upload has been made. Is
anyone still working on it? Besides, this teams calls itself Debian/Ubuntu
... but the buntu
On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 11:59:11AM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
I think the best approach would probably be to automate the generation
of init scripts in debhelper.
Seconded. Using an auto-generated skeleton starting from a simple template
would be more than enough to solve the main problem
On 02/17/2014 01:37 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:
Why can you not simply say something like: Well yes, there seem
to be some problems and we will try to fix them if we can get hold
of enough input. You DDs should be able to provide decent information
to help track the problems down.
Then why on
+++ John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2014-02-16 14:55 +0100]:
On 02/16/2014 01:05 PM, Alessio Treglia wrote:
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:50 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Well, I'm sorry but I would have probably reacted the same. You were not
reporting a bug,
Francesco P. Lovergine fran...@debian.org writes:
On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 11:59:11AM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
I think the best approach would probably be to automate the generation
of init scripts in debhelper.
Seconded. Using an auto-generated skeleton starting from a simple template
On 02/17/2014 02:03 PM, Wookey wrote:
No it wasn't. He explicitly said 'I'll spare you my rants', and _didn't_
put in a big rant about how PA is a PITA. Yes it had some 'tone' due to
be filed just after being very annoyed by some problem. Sometimes that
happens. As a maintiner you have to look
+++ Josselin Mouette [2014-02-17 11:06 +0100]:
Le samedi 15 février 2014 à 22:12 +0100, Salvo Tomaselli a écrit :
Well I am now biased against pulseaudio. But let's look at the facts: it
comes
by default, in the last 3 desktop machines that I've installed, it
prevented
any audio to
On Fri, Feb 14 2014, p...@debian.org wrote:
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 5:49 AM, Adrian Bunk wrote:
But how to make the decision whether libav or FFmpeg is better for jessie?
Seems like getting the two upstreams to collaborate and merge the two
forks is the way to go.
actually, there is an
+++ John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2014-02-17 14:19 +0100]:
On 02/17/2014 02:03 PM, Wookey wrote:
No it wasn't. He explicitly said 'I'll spare you my rants', and _didn't_
put in a big rant about how PA is a PITA. Yes it had some 'tone' due to
be filed just after being very annoyed by some
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes:
On 02/17/2014 01:37 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:
Why can you not simply say something like: Well yes, there seem
to be some problems and we will try to fix them if we can get hold
of enough input. You DDs should be able to provide
Hi,
Bjørn Mork:
The goal of most users will be have sound, not install pulseaudio.
Most users will have PA installed anyway, so the second goal is already
met. :-P
A package which appear to be non-functional at install time is not
likely to receive any bug reports at all. Feel free to whine
[Gergely Nagy]
No, it would be a terrible idea: First, to reliably support all of the
init systems, you'd have to target the dumbest one, and either not
support the features of the others, or emulate them to some extent
within generated code.
Not supporting features of modern init systems
On Mo, 17 Feb 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
OK, I'll give every one of these people a Bluetooth headset instead.
(No that does not mean I'll actually pay for them …)
Tried to use one of these with ALSA lately?
Man, don't you get the point?
Yes, everyone here agrees that PA is in principle
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 13:18:11 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 02/17/2014 12:50 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
And ia64 is now gone from unstable and experimental since last Saturday.
And isn't it going to become a port like all the other dropped
architectures?
Not all dropped
Hi,
Gergely Nagy:
If you want to properly support multiple init systems, write the init
scripts / service files / etc for each of them.
The problem is that we all did that once already, and look where *that*
effort ended up: For sysv-rc, 1000 people copied (old versions of)
Hi,
Norbert Preining:
Tried to use one of these with ALSA lately?
Man, don't you get the point?
I do. You didn't get mine, which was that if you have a choice of
(a) get PA working by at least filing a bug, or (b) get audio working by
uninstalling pulseaudio, then me presenting you with a
On 02/17/2014 03:57 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Exactly what I have been thinking all the time. And I find the argument
all DDs are computer experts, so if they can't get it working it
must be broken a particularly bad one.
No, that's not what I wrote. I wrote that it's too
On 2014-02-17 14:55, Bjørn Mork wrote:
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes:
[...]
If you want me to help you with your problem, you need to provide
something I can work on. Just claiming it doesn't work isn't helping
in this situation, I don't have a crystal ball I
On 02/17/2014 03:47 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
Your tendency to rewrite things that I write in a wrong way is annoying.
You wrote:
=
However, the fact that multiple DDs, which I do consider all as computer
experts, failed
On 02/17/2014 04:02 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Well. You can't blame PulseAudio if you have an .asoundrc in your home
directory which configures your sound card incorrectly.
Oh !!!
Now I do remember why my pulseaudio system works. It's because I
followed to the letter this howto:
Hello,
On 17 February 2014 15:47, Matthias Urlichs sm...@smurf.noris.de wrote:
Tried to use one of these with ALSA lately?
Man, don't you get the point?
I do. You didn't get mine, which was that if you have a choice of
(a) get PA working by at least filing a bug, or (b) get audio working
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:00:38PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 02/17/2014 04:02 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Well. You can't blame PulseAudio if you have an .asoundrc in your home
directory which configures your sound card incorrectly.
Oh !!!
Now I do remember why my
Matthias Urlichs sm...@smurf.noris.de writes:
Oh except that some people didn't, which causes problems for the systemd
transition -- because init skript that are not skeleton-based don't know
how to redirect itself to systemd …
Err, no. I have plenty of sysvinit scripts that work just fine
On 02/17/2014 11:03 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I don't see how I am rewriting things in a wrong way. Do you want to
argue about the exact meaning of broken now?
Indeed, words are important. For me, when I read broken it means bugs
upstream, and I'm convince the problem is
Hi,
Gergely Nagy:
Oh except that some people didn't, which causes problems for the systemd
transition -- because init skript that are not skeleton-based don't know
how to redirect itself to systemd …
Err, no. I have plenty of sysvinit scripts that work just fine with
systemd, and are
On 02/17/2014 05:25 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 02/17/2014 11:03 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I don't see how I am rewriting things in a wrong way. Do you want to
argue about the exact meaning of broken now?
Indeed, words are important. For me, when I read broken it means bugs
Le 2014-02-17 16:00, Thomas Goirand a écrit :
On 02/17/2014 04:02 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Well. You can't blame PulseAudio if you have an .asoundrc in your
home
directory which configures your sound card incorrectly.
Oh !!!
Now I do remember why my pulseaudio system works. It's
On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 18:05 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 02/17/2014 05:25 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 02/17/2014 11:03 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I don't see how I am rewriting things in a wrong way. Do you want to
argue about the exact meaning of broken now?
package: pulseaudio
severity: wishlist
x-debbugs-cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Hi,
On Montag, 17. Februar 2014, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 18:05 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 02/17/2014 05:25 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 02/17/2014 11:03 PM, John Paul
[ pruning the recipient list a lot ]
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 03:21:15PM +0200, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
I personally dislike systemd on a few technical and few social
grounds, but I respect the decision of Debian TC and will do what I
can to make systemd in Debian be the bast it can be and make
On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 18:15 +0100, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
Le 2014-02-17 16:00, Thomas Goirand a écrit :
On 02/17/2014 04:02 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Well. You can't blame PulseAudio if you have an .asoundrc in your
home
directory which configures your sound card
Control: reassign -1 wnpp
On Lu, 17 feb 14, 17:22:44, Jonathan Klee wrote:
Package: ngp
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: ngp
Version : 0.1
Upstream Author : Jonathan Klee
* URL : https://github.com/jonathanklee/ngp
* License : GPL
* Description
]] Petter Reinholdtsen
[Gergely Nagy]
No, it would be a terrible idea: First, to reliably support all of the
init systems, you'd have to target the dumbest one, and either not
support the features of the others, or emulate them to some extent
within generated code.
Not supporting
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Sergio Schvezov sergio.schve...@canonical.com
* Package name: golang-go-dbus
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On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 08:57:53AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 02/17/2014 08:37 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
It might just be that DDs/computer experts just have more customized
setups
that break in interesting ways when effort isn't spent porting the
configuration
changes
❦ 17 février 2014 15:50 CET, Andrew Shadura and...@shadura.me :
I do. You didn't get mine, which was that if you have a choice of
(a) get PA working by at least filing a bug, or (b) get audio working by
uninstalling pulseaudio, then me presenting you with a nice shiny set of
Bluetooth
The primary (and AFAIR only) cause of no sound with PulseAudio that I
have encountered is that it doesnt know whether you want to hear sound
over the HDMI output or over the jack. Both appear to the system as two
different devices. So PA just selects one (I havent investigated how it
does
Hello,
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 22:51:20 +0100
Vincent Bernat ber...@debian.org wrote:
I do. You didn't get mine, which was that if you have a choice of
(a) get PA working by at least filing a bug, or (b) get audio
working by uninstalling pulseaudio, then me presenting you with a
nice shiny
❦ 18 février 2014 00:09 CET, Andrew Shadura and...@shadura.me :
That's not true; Bluetooth headphones work flawlessly with plain
ALSA (as I noted in my previous mail which somehow didn't reach the
list).
Sure, you need to put the MAC address of your headset in your
~/.asoundrc. That's
On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 10:14 -0300, Niv Sardi wrote:
actually, there is an on-going effort to port libav's features and
bugfixes into the ffmpeg project.
Good to hear. So the remaining thing is to convince the libav folks to
contribute to ffmpeg again and change the ffmpeg community in ways
Hi,
Ben Hutchings:
So maybe the necessary change would be:
- move the pulseaudio ALSA plugins and this config file into a new
binary package
- rename the config file so it's not just an example
- make pulseaudio recommend that binary package
… except that when somebody does deinstall
On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 11:59:11AM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
Before you go too far down this path, I'd like to suggest that you do
something which makes it possible to provide init system configuration
for other than sysvinit, at the same time. And that you use an
arrangement which uses a
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 09:02:56AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I don't know whether this is a good idea. What if I want to listen to
something over my headphones which I don't others want to hear and
I know about this feature. I expect the sound to be over headphones
only, yet it's
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