Re: Annonce d'un nouveau paquet guppy5.deb Ubuntu - Debian

2014-11-12 Thread Nicolas Boulenguez
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 07:45:44AM +0100, Jean Millet wrote: Bonjour à tous, Bonjour. Nouveau sur cette liste et également dans le développement de paquet .deb, Mon gros problème est que je ne maîtrise pas l'anglais et je fais donc cette annonce sur les listes en français. Ce n'est

Re: Annonce d'un nouveau paquet guppy5.deb Ubuntu - Debian

2014-11-12 Thread Jean Millet
Le 12/11/2014 09:23, Nicolas Boulenguez a écrit : On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 07:45:44AM +0100, Jean Millet wrote: Bonjour à tous, Bonjour. Nouveau sur cette liste et également dans le développement de paquet .deb, Mon gros problème est que je ne maîtrise pas l'anglais et je fais donc cette

Quelle structure et méthode adopter pour mon paquet guppy5.deb ?

2014-11-12 Thread Jean Millet
Bonjour à tous, Ci-dessous les structures de mes deux premiers essais. Pour le premier paquet guppy_html.deb pas de problème de compilation, le paquet est bien créé et s'installe bien dans /usr/var/www/html/ et dossier guppy (c'est également OK dans var/www/ ou autre en modifiant

Re: Quelle structure et méthode adopter pour mon paquet guppy5.deb ?

2014-11-12 Thread Naper Hamza
Vous l'installiez sur /usr/share , puis vous faites un shell script qui sera installer sur /usr/bin , qui fera le déplacement et la configuration selon le serveur de l'utilisateur On Thursday, November 13, 2014, Jean Millet jean.mil...@free.fr wrote: Bonjour à tous, Ci-dessous les

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 01:13:39AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Please discourage the use of pristine-tar. The format is fragile and can suffer from bit rot. I am not personally interested in pristine-tar, but I don't think this is the right place to take a stance on its use. -- To

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 03:38:59PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: Personally I wouldn't use anything other than debian-only repos, at least for those where I have a choice. I also actively avoid contributing to packages that don't use such repos. And I'm the exact opposite. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Gergely Nagy
Jonathan == Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org writes: Jonathan On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 03:38:59PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: Personally I wouldn't use anything other than debian-only repos, at least for those where I have a choice. I also actively avoid contributing to packages

Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

2014-11-12 Thread Dominique Dumont
On Friday 07 November 2014 17:04:10 Joey Hess wrote: It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish everyone well, but I'm out. I'm very sorry to read this. We'll miss you. All the best --

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Iustin Pop wrote: Packaging branches and tags === Packaging branches should be named according to the codename of the target distribution. In the case of Debian, that means for example `debian/sid`, `debian/jessie`,

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Jonathan Dowland: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 01:13:39AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Please discourage the use of pristine-tar. The format is fragile and can suffer from bit rot. I am not personally interested in pristine-tar, but I don't think this is the right place to take a stance

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote: If the package maintainers use the pristine-tar tool to efficiently store a byte-for-byte copy of the upstream tarballs, this should be done in the `pristine-tar` branch. Please discourage the use of pristine-tar. The format is fragile and can

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ben Finney
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote: I'd like to note that there are very good reasons for a debian-only, overlay-style packaging repository too. This section should, in my opinion, at least acknowledge that, and briefly mention it as an

Bug#769224: ITP: noggit -- Fast streaming JSON parser for Java

2014-11-12 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Emmanuel Bourg ebo...@apache.org * Package name: noggit Version : 0.6 Upstream Author : Yonik Seeley ysee...@gmail.com * URL : http://github.com/yonik/noggit * License : Apache-2.0 Programming Lang: Java Description

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: In fact, I was quite non-amused by the initial versions of this idea, but reading this latest version, I must say I *like* it. Well done! I am especially happy about the way it respects the usual git usage conventions, this will ease

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Barry Warsaw wrote: One question: when this gets adopted, will individual maintainers or teams have to know which of the git packaging helpers a particular repository is using? IOW, what happens if I were to use gbp-pq on a package that someone else had used git-dpm on?

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
[ Ccing the maintainers of git packaging helper tools ] Hi Scott, using your mail as an opportunity to explicity notify the respective package maintainers of this ongoing DEP. Guido, Bernhard, Ron, if you are not reading debian-devel, I would like to bring your attention to a discussion that I

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Mathieu Parent wrote: A paragraph about repacked upstream is needed. A lot of packages are currently stripped for minified JS, non-free additions, included RFCs, ... What would the upstream/1.x branch be then? Maybe add an upstream/1.x+debian branch? Yeah, that was

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Gergely, On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Gergely Nagy wrote: Raphael When releasing a Debian package, the packager should create and push Raphael a signed tag named `vendor/version`. For example, a Debian maintainer Raphael releasing a package with version 2:1.2~rc1-1 would create a

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Mattia Rizzolo
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org wrote: for the current Ubuntu development series. If I needed to support older releases in either distro, then debian/wheezy or ubuntu/utopic would be good branches to use. (Or IOW, what's the equivalent of debian/sid for

veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only option for them is to resign. Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto decisions? Would this be better than people leaving outright? -- To

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Mathieu Parent
2014-11-12 10:28 GMT+01:00 Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org: On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Mathieu Parent wrote: A paragraph about repacked upstream is needed. A lot of packages are currently stripped for minified JS, non-free additions, included RFCs, ... What would the upstream/1.x branch be

Re: inconsistent versions of M-A: same packages

2014-11-12 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Sat, 8 Nov 2014, Stuart Prescott wrote: UDD can help with this. A list of source packages that have M-A: same binary packages in jessie that have different versions in any two release architectures is at: Can we do this for the triplet (i386, amd64, x32) too, please? Yes, it’s not a

Re: Bad weather in testing?

2014-11-12 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Fri, 7 Nov 2014, Ralf Treinen wrote: architecture-specific. The issue of architecture=all packages that are not installable on some architecture can IMHO not be solved with our current setup which makes architectures=all available on every architecture. This is a bug, I’ve seen this

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:04:05 +0100 Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.pro wrote: It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only option for them is to resign. Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto

Re: Bad weather in testing?

2014-11-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: This is a bug, I’ve seen this affect buildd dependency resolution, and anyway, if it’s not installable everywhere, why is it arch:all? I would guess that uninstallable arch:all things happens when they depend on non-portable things. For

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.pro, 2014-11-12, 11:04: It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only option for them is to resign. Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto decisions? Would this be

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:04:05AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only option for them is to resign. Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto decisions? Would

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 12/11/14 11:43, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:04:05AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only option for them is to resign. Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, allowing a

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Wed, 2014-11-12 at 15:38:59 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote: I'd like to note that there are very good reasons for a debian-only, overlay-style packaging repository too. This section should, in my opinion, at least acknowledge that, and

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Thibaut Paumard
Le 11/11/2014 22:26, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : Hello, following the initial discussion we had in August (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/08/thrd2.html#00499), I have written a first draft of the Debian Enhancement Proposal that I suggested. It's now online at

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Raphael Hertzog wrote: QUESTION: some people have argued to use debian/master as the latest packaging targets sometimes sid and sometimes experimental. Should we standardize on this? Or should we explicitly allow this as an alternative? Given the feedback received,

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Thibaut Paumard wrote: I see nothing about whether the debian branch should contained the unpacked or the unpacked *and* patched sources, and whether to ship the .pc directory. I personally ship the unpatched sources and don't ship the .pc directory. That's a

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Gary
On 12/11/14 10:04, Daniel Pocock wrote: It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only option for them is to resign. Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto decisions? Would this be better

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ron
Hi Raphael, On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:15:27AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Hi Scott, using your mail as an opportunity to explicity notify the respective package maintainers of this ongoing DEP. Guido, Bernhard, Ron, if you are not reading debian-devel, I would like to bring your

Re: Beersigning in Zürich/SH/Winti? Meeting other local Debianistas? Bugfixing?

2014-11-12 Thread Tomas Pospisek
Thanks for all the nice info Paul! *t Am 12.11.2014 um 06:59 schrieb Paul Wise: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Tomas Pospisek wrote: would any of you come and sign my key when in Zürich/SH/Winti? In case folks from these places aren't reading this list, some possibilities:

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread zlatan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Please no. We need less and not more layers of governance/'political' complexity in project. Lets stop acting like government and more like community. Cheers, zlatan On 12 November 2014 11:04:05 CET, Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.pro wrote: It

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 12/11/14 13:12, zlatan wrote: Please no. We need less and not more layers of governance/'political' complexity in project. Lets stop acting like government and more like community. If a veto facility is created effectively, then it will deter people from complexity and force people back

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Daniel, aint the GR process exactly that, a way to say veto? Compare the current vote... cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Bug#769283: ITP: python-oslo.middleware -- various WSGI middleware components for OpenStack

2014-11-12 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org * Package name: python-oslo.middleware Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : OpenStack Developers openstack-...@lists.openstack.org * URL : https://github.com/openstack/oslo.middleware * License

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 01:41:33PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: Please no. We need less and not more layers of governance/'political' complexity in project. Lets stop acting like government and more like community. If a veto facility is created effectively, then it will deter people from

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Simon McVittie
On 12/11/14 05:54, Mathieu Parent wrote: Also, the vendor/* branches heads should be at a descendent commit of the corresponding upstream branch, diffing only by the debian dir. This is only true for workflows similar to the one normally used with gbp-pq, in which desired patches are serialized

Bug#769287: ITP: python-oslo.concurrency -- concurrency and locks for OpenStack projects

2014-11-12 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org * Package name: python-oslo.concurrency Version : 0.2.0 Upstream Author : OpenStack developers openstack-...@lists.openstack.org * URL : https://github.com/openstack/oslo.concurrency * License

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Ron, On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Ron wrote: I think you probably need to be careful of overspecifying this. Definitely. That's precisely why I don't want to dwelve (too much) into details of the various workflows and why I try to restrict the DEP at simple naming conventions for branches and tags

Bug#769288: ITP: python-lda -- Topic modeling with latent Dirichlet allocation

2014-11-12 Thread Allen Riddell
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Allen Riddell abr+deb...@fastmail.fm * Package name: python-lda Version : 0.3.2 Upstream Author : lda developers lda-us...@googlegroups.com * URL : https://pypi.python.org/pypi/lda * License : MPL-2 Programming Lang:

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Mathieu Parent wrote: Maybe a short note would be good then? (but I don't know how to write it). I suggest this: --- a/web/deps/dep14.mdwn +++ b/web/deps/dep14.mdwn @@ -230,6 +230,17 @@ non-patchable data), you can do so but you should then document this in

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Simon McVittie: Is it the intention of this DEP to mandate the gbp-pq-like repo structure, which basically forbids use of tools whose design does not match that? Or is the intention to set some conventions that can be true regardless of whether you are using a more gbp-pq-like or more

Re: Removing duplication: Word lists of common words in languages

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Ben Finney writes (Re: Removing duplication: Word lists of common words in languages): Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: I had roughly this question in 2013, and found the answer. Here is probably the best starting point:

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Simon McVittie
On 12/11/14 13:38, Matthias Urlichs wrote: IMHO there are two basic approaches which are mostly at odds with each other. I think there are at least three. Two: Treat Upstream tarballs as Source Code; if Upstream generates them from git-or-whatever, that's not our problem. Use a script to

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Raphael Hertzog writes (RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories): following the initial discussion we had in August (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/08/thrd2.html#00499), I have written a first draft of the Debian Enhancement Proposal that I suggested. It's

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Barry Warsaw writes (Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories): On Nov 11, 2014, at 10:26 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Vendor namespaces - Each vendor uses its own namespace for its packaging related Git branches and tags: `debian/*` for Debian,

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Raphael Hertzog writes (Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories): The DEP will neither encourage and discourage its use. It only mentions that if a maintainer is using it, it should store pristine-tar data in the pristine-tar branch. Would it be worth mentioning in

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Scott Kitterman writes (Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories): Who's going to do patches to existing tools (e.g. git-dpm is the one I use and care about) so they comply with this and similarly scripts to convert existing git repos to match this recommendation?

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Simon McVittie: Keep Debian packaging completely separate (in a different branch, or even in a diffferent archive) and use a quilt-ish workflow Let's call this one divided. Three: same as Two, but the Debian packaging branch is branched from the upstream branch, so it contains

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon McVittie writes (Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories): On 12/11/14 05:54, Mathieu Parent wrote: Also, the vendor/* branches heads should be at a descendent commit of the corresponding upstream branch, diffing only by the debian dir. ... Concrete example:

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Scott Kitterman
On November 12, 2014 7:38:25 AM CST, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote: Hi, Simon McVittie: Is it the intention of this DEP to mandate the gbp-pq-like repo structure, which basically forbids use of tools whose design does not match that? Or is the intention to set some conventions

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Raphael Hertzog writes (Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories): +When you have good reasons to only store the `debian` packaging directory +(for example when the uptream sources are really huge and contains mostly +non-patchable data), you can do so but you should

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Raphael Hertzog writes (Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories): For development releases Packages uploaded to the current development release should be prepared in a `vendor/master` branch. I preferred the previous text for this

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Scott Kitterman
On November 12, 2014 8:15:02 AM CST, Scott Kitterman deb...@kitterman.com wrote: On November 12, 2014 7:38:25 AM CST, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote: Hi, Simon McVittie: Is it the intention of this DEP to mandate the gbp-pq-like repo structure, which basically forbids use of tools

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Matthias Urlichs writes (Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories): This DEP describes an integrated workflow. That's true right now. But I think a document called `Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories' ought to cover the reasonable possibilties which are

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes (Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories): I think you need to be more explicit about the implications for `3.0 (quilt)' format packages. Something like: If the git tree contains debian/format specifying `3.0 (quilt)', the git tree must

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Simon McVittie
On 12/11/14 14:12, Ian Jackson wrote: Simon McVittie writes (Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories): In the gbp-pq world, after git checkout debian/sid, hello.c would contain hello, world, but there would be a patch in debian/patches/ to change it from hello,

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Ian Jackson wrote: Raphael Hertzog writes (Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories): The DEP will neither encourage and discourage its use. It only mentions that if a maintainer is using it, it should store pristine-tar data in the

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Ian, On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Ian Jackson wrote: Raphael Hertzog writes (Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories): +When you have good reasons to only store the `debian` packaging directory +(for example when the uptream sources are really huge and contains mostly

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Mathieu Parent
2014-11-12 14:29 GMT+01:00 Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org: On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Mathieu Parent wrote: Maybe a short note would be good then? (but I don't know how to write it). I suggest this: --- a/web/deps/dep14.mdwn +++ b/web/deps/dep14.mdwn @@ -230,6 +230,17 @@ non-patchable data),

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Raphael Hertzog writes (Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories): Much like we have a default desktop environment we should have a default layout for a git packaging repository. There's an argument for that. Of course (donning my partisan colours) I think the answer

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Ian Jackson wrote: It doesn't make much sense to have an standard unless there's also a plan to implement using it. I thought Raphael was trying to document existing practice. The problem is that existing practices are not uniform and vary between helper tools

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Ian Jackson wrote: Simon, would you care to write up a concrete text documenting the conventional divided layouts ? Raphael, I guess you have the DEP in git. Where's the repo ? Wait, what, it's in the webtree in ... is that still CVS ? It's in the dep SVN

Bug#769304: ITP: graypy -- Python logging handler that sends messages in GELF

2014-11-12 Thread Benjamin Drung
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Benjamin Drung benjamin.dr...@profitbricks.com * Package name: graypy Version : 0.2.11 Upstream Author : Sever Băneşiu banesiu.se...@gmail.com * URL : https://github.com/severb/graypy * License : BSD Programming Lang:

Re: Should fast-evolving packages be backports-only?

2014-11-12 Thread Scott Howard
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Rogério Brito rogerbr...@uol.com.br wrote: On 2014-11-11 15:30, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: However, candidate packages due to reason (c) above really are a problem, IMHO they shouldn't be in stable in the first place. Does this mean that I should ask

Re: r-base-core upload to unstable does not respect freeze policy

2014-11-12 Thread Santiago Vila
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 07:17:59AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: Hi Santiago, On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 10:24:11PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: So, would this patch to the current r-base package improve things if applied to the version in unstable? [...] While this would create a versioned

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/12/2014 07:08 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 12/11/14 11:43, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:04:05AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only option for them is to resign. Would it be worthwhile giving people

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 12, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: I don't know. My long term hope is that in this process we will get to a situation where: - either the tools are sufficiently interoperable that we don't have to care about this - or one of tools emerges as standard supporting all the

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Maxime Chatelle
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:11:12PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: Hi! On Wed, 2014-11-12 at 15:38:59 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote: I'd like to note that there are very good reasons for a debian-only, overlay-style packaging repository too.

Re: Should fast-evolving packages be backports-only?

2014-11-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 12/11/14 17:42, Scott Howard wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Rogério Brito rogerbr...@uol.com.br wrote: On 2014-11-11 15:30, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: However, candidate packages due to reason (c) above really are a problem, IMHO they shouldn't be in stable in the first

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 12/11/14 17:47, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 11/12/2014 07:08 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 12/11/14 11:43, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:04:05AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only option for them is to

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Philip Hands
Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.pro writes: On 12/11/14 17:47, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 11/12/2014 07:08 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 12/11/14 11:43, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:04:05AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/11/14 18:36, Philip Hands wrote: Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.pro writes: On 12/11/14 17:47, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 11/12/2014 07:08 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 12/11/14 11:43, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 06:44:50PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: You're expecting people proposing GRs to be receptive to rational argument. I fear you've not been paying close attention recently. Well done. I congratulate you on your wisdom. If rational argument is not necessary, then

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Octavio Alvarez
On 11/12/2014 02:04 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only option for them is to resign. Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto decisions? Would this be better than

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 11/11/14 22:26, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Hello, following the initial discussion we had in August (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/08/thrd2.html#00499), I have written a first draft of the Debian Enhancement Proposal that I suggested. It's now online at

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 12, 2014, at 09:27 AM, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Then we should either remove the paragraph entirely, or at least mention the danger of bit rot and that it's unwise to rely on being able to recover the tarfile (long term). Because the vast majority of upstream Python packages are released

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Iustin Pop
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 09:21:56AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Hi, On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Iustin Pop wrote: Packaging branches and tags === Packaging branches should be named according to the codename of the target distribution. In the case of Debian,

Re: Bug#769317: ITP: lightmdeditor -- An editor for markdown files

2014-11-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
Control: reassign -1 wnpp Control: severity -1 wishlist Control: owner -1 Bhavyanshu Parasher a...@bhavyanshu.me Your mailer messed up the line breaks, trying to fix. * Package name : lightmdeditor Version : 1.0-2 Upstream Author : Bhavyanshu Parasher a...@bhavyanshu.me * URL :

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: In fact, I was quite non-amused by the initial versions of this idea, but reading this latest version, I must say I *like* it. Well done! I am especially happy about the way it respects the

Re: Should fast-evolving packages be backports-only?

2014-11-12 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Rogério Brito wrote: On 2014-11-11 15:30, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: However, candidate packages due to reason (c) above really are a problem, IMHO they shouldn't be in stable in the first place. Does this mean that I should ask for the removal of youtube-dl

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Gergely Nagy
Raphael == Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes: Raphael Hi Gergely, Raphael On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Gergely Nagy wrote: Raphael When releasing a Debian package, the packager should create and push Raphael a signed tag named `vendor/version`. For example, a Debian maintainer

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread koanhead
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 13:20:01 +0100, zlatan wrote: We need less and not more layers of governance/'political' complexity in project. Lets stop acting like government and more like community. When you have a small number of people involved in a 'community' then you can get by with little

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ron
Hi Simon, (Please CC me on these, I'm not currently subscribed to -devel, and I'm catching up from the list archives. At the very least it will make it easier to avoid accidentally breaking the threading :) On 12/11/14 05:54, Mathieu Parent wrote: Also, the vendor/* branches heads should be

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Daniel Pocock wrote: It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only option for them is to resign. Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto decisions? Would this be better than

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Andreas Barth
* Daniel Pocock (dan...@pocock.pro) [141112 13:42]: On 12/11/14 13:12, zlatan wrote: Please no. We need less and not more layers of governance/'political' complexity in project. Lets stop acting like government and more like community. If a veto facility is created effectively, then

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Ron
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 02:14:55PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Hi Ron, On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Ron wrote: I think you probably need to be careful of overspecifying this. Definitely. That's precisely why I don't want to dwelve (too much) into details of the various workflows and why I try

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Andrey Rahmatullin w...@debian.org writes: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 01:41:33PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: If a veto facility is created effectively, then it will deter people from complexity and force people back to looking for consensus Or we could fix the TC instead. It would be lovely if

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Sam Hartman
Hi. I've read the original proposal and believe it is generally going in the right direction. things I liked: * didn't pick between dgit/git-dpm/git-pq; documented the common parts * Seemed to really focus on one clear scope. * Discouraged overlay packaging. I've tried to read the arguments,

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Wednesday 12 November 2014 10:47:30 Raphael Hertzog wrote: [snip] I'd like to note that there are very good reasons for a debian-only, overlay-style packaging repository too. This section should, in my opinion, at least acknowledge that, and briefly mention it as an option. I find it a

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Daniel Pocock dijo [Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:08:23PM +0100]: I didn't want to be too specific, to give other people a chance to make suggestions However, one possibility is that anybody maintaining an essential package and anybody who is a DPL delegate would be able to veto. The implication

Bug#769373: ITP: ruby-notifier -- send system notifications on several platforms

2014-11-12 Thread Balasankar C
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Balasankar C balasank...@autistici.org * Package name: ruby-notifier Version : 0.5.0 Upstream Author : Nando Vieira fnando.vie...@gmail.com * URL : https://github.com/fnando/notifier * License : Expat Programming Lang:

Re: Second call for votes: GR - Init system coupling

2014-11-12 Thread Stephen Frost
* Neil McGovern (ne...@debian.org) wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 57dd4d7c-3e92-428f-8ab7-10de5172589e [ 5 ] Choice 1: Packages may not (in general) require a specific init system [ 3 ] Choice 2: Support for other init systems is recommended, but

Re: veto?

2014-11-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 13/11/14 06:29, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Daniel Pocock dijo [Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:08:23PM +0100]: I didn't want to be too specific, to give other people a chance to make suggestions However, one possibility is that anybody maintaining an essential package and anybody who is a DPL delegate

Accepted libcatalyst-perl 5.90075-2 (source all) into unstable

2014-11-12 Thread Damyan Ivanov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 08:00:40 + Source: libcatalyst-perl Binary: libcatalyst-perl Architecture: source all Version: 5.90075-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Perl Group

Accepted ironic 2014.1-10 (source all) into unstable

2014-11-12 Thread Thomas Goirand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 14:35:21 +0800 Source: ironic Binary: python-ironic ironic-common ironic-api ironic-conductor ironic-doc Architecture: source all Version: 2014.1-10 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: PKG OpenStack

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