Hi,
Marc Haber:
Which significantly changes things in Jessie since the majory of
services is still started via the old rcX.d mechanism, and thus
starting to runlevels behaves completely different from what users
expect.
Well, I wouldn't expect runlevel 2 to start a graphical desktop either.
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Here is my ITP for my rewrite of cruft's engine.
I think you might want to email debian-mentors, with a sponsorship request
(an RFS bug), rather than debian-devel, that is intended as a mailing list
for technical discussions.
See https://mentors.debian.net/sponsors
Ok thanks for advice,
Hi,
Tollef Fog Heen:
I'm not Simon, but one valid argument I've heard is that embedded stuff
has a tendency to get stuck on old vendor kernels, something that
doesn't work so well when systemd uses newer kernel interfaces.
That attitude is unfortunately not limited to traditional embedded
Am Donnerstag, 27. November 2014, 16:50:12 schrieb Neil Williams:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 16:24:12 +0100
Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote:
Hi,
Neil Williams:
By having separate source packages, a stable API becomes mandatory.
You're correct in that it is easier to keep an
Le vendredi 28 novembre 2014 à 20:46 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
Quoting Thorsten Glaser (2014-11-28 13:20:36)
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Thomas Goirand wrote:
It's been a long time I've been thinking about it, and I believe that
the only way to do this, would be to use triggers. Though
On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 09:09:19 +0100, Matthias Urlichs
matth...@urlichs.de wrote:
Marc Haber:
Which significantly changes things in Jessie since the majory of
services is still started via the old rcX.d mechanism, and thus
starting to runlevels behaves completely different from what users
On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 08:34:46 +0100, Matthias Urlichs
matth...@urlichs.de wrote:
Marc Haber:
It's learning and understanding more than just a few bizarre new concepts.
I learned. I (think I) understand. But I do not think these fancy new
concepts are bizarre at all. If anything, they make my
Am Samstag, 29. November 2014, 01:32:22 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:02:06PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
And well, I also wonder why systemd --user functionality is in the *same*
binary than the PID 1 stuff… but well… I brought this upstream to no
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Am Samstag, 29. November 2014, 10:49:34 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
Am Donnerstag, 27. November 2014, 16:50:12 schrieb Neil Williams:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 16:24:12 +0100
Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote:
Hi,
Neil Williams:
By having separate source packages, a stable
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Programming Lang:
So, since there hasn't been any reaction to this, let me try to ask a
few additional questions, that might help me to find out where to dig next:
Am 27.11.2014 um 18:53 schrieb Tomas Pospisek:
Am 27.11.2014 um 17:12 schrieb Thomas Goirand:
On 11/27/2014 09:28 PM, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
Hello,
Hi,
I recently started to move parts of debian.org's infrastructure to jessie. I
noticed a regression with software using curl to do https with certificate
verification.
On wheezy, this works:
| weasel@mipsel-manda-01:~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/puppet-https-buildd
|
Hi,
I will host a small BSP at my home in January over the weekend of 16th -
18th.
Regrettably, I do not have enough room for more than a handful of
attendees, so I have invited some that I know are interested. If you would
particularly like to attend, please mail me privately and I'll see what
Why, precisely, do you foresee future problems with embedded systems
development? Personally, I'm looking forward to a much easier time
building future embedded systems using systemd, or the occasional
too-small-for-anything-else embedded system (that couldn't run standard
sysvinit or
❦ 29 novembre 2014 12:41 GMT, Alastair McKinstry alastair.mckins...@sceal.ie
:
One concern I'd have is the lack of flexibility to produce a cut-down
system. The option of a dedicated init=/custom-program, but lack of
an ntpd, for example, because ntp has been absorbed into systemd's
orbit
[ not sure what's the point of CCing debian-devel, but I kept it. I removed Ian
from the chain though, since he hasn't been much involved with curl lately ]
On sab, nov 29, 2014 at 01:10:20 +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote:
Hi,
I recently started to move parts of debian.org's infrastructure to
Hi,
On 29.11.2014 08:37, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
I'm not Simon, but one valid argument I've heard is that embedded stuff
has a tendency to get stuck on old vendor kernels, something that
doesn't work so well when systemd uses newer kernel interfaces.
Correct, and I don't see the situation
Hi,
On 29.11.2014 13:41, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
I'm heartened that some developers are doing the work to make
non-systemd remain a
viable option in debian, but for it not to degenerate into the systemd
way / the less maintained
and tested non-systemd way, we need to promote the APIs and
Hi,
Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com writes:
Do you really think logind and systemd are the only pieces of C
software that struggle with strings or config parsing? Those are
definitely a couple of things that could be split out into a separate
library so we all do not have to either
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
[…]
Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
that could be provided elsewhere.
Is that “use” as in “if available” or is that actually “require
and be sure to die unless provided”?
(Please forgive
On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:36:20 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 08:34:46 +0100, Matthias Urlichs
matth...@urlichs.de wrote:
Marc Haber:
It's learning and understanding more than just a few bizarre new
concepts.
I learned. I (think I) understand. But I do not think these fancy new
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:51:56AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Samstag, 29. November 2014, 01:32:22 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:02:06PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
And well, I also wonder why systemd --user functionality is in the *same*
One claim is changed, see below.
On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 12:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
Hello,
In summary:
a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever is installed should be
kept.
b) New installs should get systemd-sysv as default init with a debconf
message about alternative init
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl writes:
[…]
The second part, making systemd portable, has already been widely
discussed. There are significant technical reasons why systemd is
Linux only. And the potential recepients, like BSD, don't seem to
be interested anyway.
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 07:15:08PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
One claim is changed, see below.
On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 12:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
Hello,
In summary:
a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever is installed should be
kept.
b) New installs should get
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 06:33:44PM +, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl writes:
[…]
The second part, making systemd portable, has already been widely
discussed. There are significant technical reasons why systemd is
Linux only. And the
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 12:20 +0100, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
[...]
So in these logs we see that:
1. when I plug in my smartphone
2. the kernel tells me he has noticed it and correctly reports the
newly discovered device to the log
3. also the usb-storage module reports that it is seeing a
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 19:12 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:51:56AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Samstag, 29. November 2014, 01:32:22 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
New dbus client library is also slated to become
public when its ready and
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 17:10 +0100, Simon Richter wrote:
Hi,
On 29.11.2014 08:37, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
I'm not Simon, but one valid argument I've heard is that embedded stuff
has a tendency to get stuck on old vendor kernels, something that
doesn't work so well when systemd uses newer
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 20:14 +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 07:15:08PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
One claim is changed, see below.
On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 12:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
Hello,
In summary:
a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever is
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 20:27 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 06:33:44PM +, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl writes:
[…]
The second part, making systemd portable, has already been widely
discussed. There are
Hi,
Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com writes:
Have you seen this?
http://gentooexperimental.org/~patrick/weblog/archives/2014-11.html#e2014-11-23T09_26_01.txt
I started reading and I just had to stop after the first few sentences,
where the author quotes the specification clearly out of
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 08:30:07PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 19:12 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:51:56AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Samstag, 29. November 2014, 01:32:22 schrieb Zbigniew
Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
New
Am Samstag, 29. November 2014, 20:30:07 schrieb Svante Signell:
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 19:12 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:51:56AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Samstag, 29. November 2014, 01:32:22 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-
Szmek:
New dbus
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes:
Oh, holy… this… isn´t… true? Is it?
No, it isn't.
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Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl writes:
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 06:33:44PM +, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl writes:
[…]
The second part, making systemd portable, has already been widely
discussed. There are significant technical
On 29-11-2014 19:40, Svante Signell wrote:
[...]
This is another nail in the Universal OS coffin: Let's move to devuan,
please! Use Debian as upstream (as long as it lives)
Yes, next Debian release is lendows, not jessie :(
Thanks! We appreciate less noise on these lists and on the next
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 20:40 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
This is another nail in the Universal OS coffin: Let's move to devuan,
please!
You are of course free to do that. This discussion is about what Debian
should do, however. If you wish to discuss Devuan, please do so in a
more appropriate
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 20:19 +, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 20:40 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
This is another nail in the Universal OS coffin: Let's move to devuan,
please!
You are of course free to do that. This discussion is about what Debian
should do, however. If
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 08:14:07PM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 07:15:08PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
One claim is changed, see below.
On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 12:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
Hello,
In summary:
a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 21:27 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
But it does not seem like you are realizing what is
happening unfortunately. Debian will not be as it was historically due
to this issue. Maybe the new DDs are to young to learn from history?
Please don't patronise people. Just because
* Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com, 2014-11-29, 21:27:
Debian will not be as it was historically
Indeed! Debian is going to be more awesome than it historically was
(with or without systemd overhead).
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On 2014-11-29 21:30, Steve Langasek wrote:
Debian releases when it's ready. If large numbers of our users are
going to
have a bad experience with jessie as a result of being switched to
systemd,
then we should take appropriate steps to address that, even if that
means
unfreezing the
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 22:01 +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
On 2014-11-29 21:30, Steve Langasek wrote:
Debian releases when it's ready. If large numbers of our users are
going to
have a bad experience with jessie as a result of being switched to
systemd,
then we should take appropriate
On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:30:49 -0800, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org
wrote:
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 08:14:07PM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 07:15:08PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
One claim is changed, see below.
On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 12:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
[I've removed the blatant trolling from the subject line.]
Marc Haber wrote:
With all the technical issues in systemd popping up just now, we have
frozen prematurely.
On the contrary, that's precisely what the freeze is *for*: to stop
taking new development that doesn't fix bugs (and
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Felipe Sateler fsate...@debian.org writes:
...
This is indeed unfortunate. Because runlevel[234] are links to
multi-user.target it means that distinctions between those runlevels are
not preserved. It also means that the ability to differentiate between
graphical.target and multi-user.target
2014-11-29 22:25 GMT+01:00 Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com:
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 22:01 +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
On 2014-11-29 21:30, Steve Langasek wrote:
Debian releases when it's ready. If large numbers of our users are
going to
have a bad experience with jessie as a result
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