Re: runlevels remodeled

2005-08-13 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 03:52:50PM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: Yes, all mounts from fstab, including NFS mounts, are done in single user mode. But you should only put essential,static mounts in /etc/fstab (say, /usr or so). For the rest you should use automount. The NFS volumes

Re: libnss-db and /usr/lib/* libraries

2005-08-12 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 11:07:09AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: 2. any dynamic libraries needed are in /lib, and *all* of them use versioned symbols Look at the earlier discussions about libnss-ldap. You'd quickly find half of /usr/lib being moved to /lib. I do not think

Re: libnss-db and /usr/lib/* libraries

2005-08-12 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 04:41:01PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: I believe nss modules are even dlopened in a static libc. There is no way to link them in static. I believe Henrique didn't mean the NSS modules being static, just linking all dependant libraries statically into the NSS

Re: runlevels remodeled

2005-08-12 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 04:05:43PM +0300, Timo Aaltonen wrote: Single-user mode is a fiasco, because in /etc/rcS.d/* there are a number of services that really should not belong there. Examples: -network -all disks (including NFS) mounted Well, I have no strong feelings

Re: runlevels remodeled

2005-08-12 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 04:23:04PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: Personally, I hate that it isn't a standardized way to get down to a minimal system, or a standardized way to start everything bug *dm/X. I do not think that X should be anything special. Yes, there is the case when you have

Re: Please participate in popularity-contest

2005-07-29 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 03:12:10PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Nothing garanties that cron jobs are run at the right time. Running it a bit later (whenever you boot) is just like it being delayed due to excess load. If there are things that shouldn't be run at the wrong time we should

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-29 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 08:38:17AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: Why is this better? I have to change my perfectly normal, standard Unix link command to use something that completely hides the actual link command and makes debugging problems nearly impossible? Exercise: let's say I have an

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-29 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 07:05:34AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: We've had that discussion before. Last I recall there wasn't really a huge fight to keep them. Well, Debian developers do not really need them. But there are people who do not develop Debian but develop other software _using_

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-29 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 08:57:29AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: I'd think we could come up with a way to detect the version of libtool in use, somehow. :) LTMAIN_SH_PATH=`autoconf --trace='AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR:$1'` LTMAIN_SH_PATH=${LTMAIN_SH_PATH:-.} grep ^VERSION $LTMAIN_SH_PATH/ltmain.sh | cut

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-29 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Fri, Jul 29, 2005 at 12:06:38PM -0400, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: This is nice, but I think it's not really very autoconfish [tm] in spirit. It is not meant to be autoconfish. It is meant to be run _before_ configure, so you can decide if you have to re-libtoolize the package or not. Also,

Re: aspell upgrade woes

2005-07-20 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 09:28:22AM -0400, David Nusinow wrote: Christ, not another one. Is there any sort of automated way that we can check for these sorts of libraries before messing things up again? Theoretically libraries should export only the symbols of their public API, and such a check

Re: Structured (XML-like) input/output for shell apps?

2005-06-13 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
Hi, On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 07:40:10PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Many shell apps/scripts output data in tables, for example ls -l, ps aux, top, netstat, etc. At the moment, most of these apps use fixed-width columns with a variable-width last-column. This results in (unnecessary)

Re: RFC on mysql 4.1 in sarge

2005-05-19 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 02:49:13AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: 3 does not sound so bad to me; it's arguably user error anyway to replace a package-provided directory with a symlink in this manner If you consider this an user error, then what is the officially blessed way of relocating a

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 05:42:31AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: - / can't be on lvm, raid0, raid5, reiserfs, xfs without causing problems for /boot. Why is that? Missing bootloader support. - a larger FS has more chance of failing so you risk having a fully broken system more often

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 11:16:54AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: the bootloader does not need to access the root filesystem. It only loads the kernel and the initrd from /boot. (I assume that /boot is on /. If not, the following still applies to /boot.) Well, grub _does_ access the filesystem

Re: Minimizing ld dependencies with --as-needed

2005-04-01 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 06:01:27AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: And since these are (always?) dependencies on shared objects, these libraries never get used, except to say, Here I am!, right? The runtime linker still loads them, which can be expensive (esp. if there are many relocation records),

Re: Minimizing ld dependencies with --as-needed

2005-04-01 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 12:53:27PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: I'm moving all my packages to use it. It's not only a workaround for libtool or pkgconfig bugs, it's also a great tool when some upstream authors gratuitously adds unneeded -l flags. General note: you have to be careful with

Re: dh_movefiles, tar vs. mv

2005-02-25 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 01:14:00PM -0500, Daniel Burrows wrote: Anyway, I thought you were joking in your first message, but it looks like you're serious, so I'll answer this time. If you're copying between files on the same device, mv will use the rename(2) system call, which is an

Re: dh_movefiles, tar vs. mv

2005-02-25 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 07:54:27PM +0100, Frank Kster wrote: Correct. So, why not use mv? Add a new --move flag to dh_installfiles, come up with some exact numbers showing the build time/disk usage savings for your favorite Big Package (hard numbers usually very helpful for promoting new

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-17 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 01:04:34AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: I do believe that the right thing is to be disabled by default. No. Well, I've just checked and mount --move /dev /temp-mount-point mount --bind /dev /where-you-want-it mount --move /temp-mount-point /dev works on a live system

Re: First line in /etc/hosts

2005-02-15 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 11:21:09AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: Every machine with more than one interface has at least two hostnames: localhost on network 127 and something else on the external networks. Nitpicking: every machine have exactly one hostname, that is contained in

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 02:08:16AM +0100, Norbert Tretkowski wrote: Remove /.dev/ does not mean rm -rf it. What does it mean instead? It's what politicians do: quote something out-of-context and pretend it means something entirely different than in the original context :-) /etc/init.d/udev

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:46:03PM +0100, Olaf Conradi wrote: I've always found the existence of ./dev a bit weird in a directory listing of /. I'd rather have it in /var/lib/dev, but maybe that's just me ;) ... which would mean that it would become unaccessible (and thus meaningless) as the