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I have written a Lintian check which attempts to flag instances of
this problem. It looks for ELF objects that flag shared libraries in
the default search path as NEEDED without actually importing symbols
that the library exports
they have _different_ contexts.
Now we're at it, also add the link
http://wwws.sheetmusicplus.com/sheetmusic/detail/WB.GS2001.html
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* Henning Makholm:
Why wait for the world to settle? Would there be anything wrong with
writing a sha256sum program that outputs base64 right now?
I wouldn't use real base64, though, because it would mean that you can
use its hashed output as a file
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* Henning Makholm:
I wouldn't use real base64, though, because it would mean that you can
use its hashed output as a file name.
Good point. One might replace / with _ and omit the final =.
Having a + in the hash should be safe in most contexts
drop the two attached files in /usr/share/lintian/checks/.
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of these
tools I've seen are incapable of distinguishing between what's needed
for static linking, and what's needed for dynamic linking.
Would you recommend against *shipping* such a script when upstream
provides it (in addition to a .pc file)?
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If somebody designs and implements (after a suitable architectural
review) some software to support distributed keyring maintenance in a
secure, auditable way, it is likely that calls
rather see just a package tag. If
one didn't already exist, I would have suggested 'special::useless'.
One does already exist: 'special::auto-inst-parts'.
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at best.
Additionally, make sure that the secondary packages are tagged
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I think that using debtags (special::auto-inst-parts) is a better way
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_not_ include whatever /usr/skare/pkg stuff you need to ship? What
_do_ you have in pkg-data, then?
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in the future and help to make it even better.
I am perfectly happy with the way the conference is being run. I am
opposing those people who want the organisers to change the way it is
being run, such that DFSG-nonfree papers will be thrown out simply
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hadn't noticed, there was a major _difference_ in opionons
about how software was to be interpreted. The editorial
clarification in 2004-003 removed the confusion by avoiding the
ambiguous word software, but that does in no way mean that the
ambiguity does not exist.
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?
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shipping something in our operating system and not shipping something
in our operating system?
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:45:35 +0100 Henning Makholm wrote:
The conferences I usually publish at always demand an all-out
copyright _transfer_. However, in practice they will usually accept a
non-exclusive license to print and distribute unmodified
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to be part of our operating system.
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* Henning Makholm:
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The GPL does fail the Dissident test because it does not permit
anonymous changes.
Your copy of the GPL must have been garbled in transmission.
Please fetch a fresh copy from a trusted
Scripsit Adam D. Barratt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 00:17 +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
[Context for debian-dak readers who are not following the thread in
-devel: I am trying to get up to speed on how to contribute some code
to ftp-master that mails out testing migration notices
Scripsit Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 12:05:07AM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
I have now a frst draft of a status-change mail system running. it
works from the archive mirror on merkel, [...]
Thanks for running with this. Ideally, we would get this integrated
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The GPL does fail the Dissident test because it does not permit
anonymous changes.
Your copy of the GPL must have been garbled in transmission.
Please fetch a fresh copy from a trusted source.
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to
somewhere appropriate, cc'ing me.
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kind
Scripsit Peter Samuelson
[Henning Makholm]
Do you mean that every package that offers to edit conffiles based on
debconf questions is policy-buggy?
'conffile' is dpkg jargon that has a specific meaning: configuration
files that dpkg handles specially w/r/t upgrades and removals. Editing
with the to DOS
utility, unfortunately.
There are only 21 matches for 'todos' in the unstable Contents-i386.gz.
That is hardly too much to scan through by eye.
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Drop this premise, and our project will fall apart.
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just
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I have now a frst draft of a status-change mail system running. it
works from the archive mirror on merkel, and sends out mail to
package@packages.debian.prg, with Bcc to the PTS
It does not yet produce -testing-changes emails.
Now it does
amicable about it.
Then I would suggest that you do not claim that the first group
violates the spirit of the DFSG.
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Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the long run, the user-friendly solution is probably to offer (via
a debconf question that defaults to 'yes') to automatically rewrite
the conffile to take the change into account.
That can only be done
Scripsit Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you mean that every package that offers to edit conffiles based on
debconf questions is policy-buggy?
Of course, see 10.7.3:
| These two styles of configuration file handling must not be mixed
Scripsit Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) [051101 17:23]:
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 12:41:09PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
So, would anybody object if I set up a cronjob that emails the PTS
whenever a (source) package propagates to, or is removed from
a
lot of data that it currently doesn't. And even if it did it
correctly, the resulting behavior would be confusing.
IMO it would be better to split ${Source-Version} into two substvars,
one of which includes binNMU suffixes and one of which doesn't.
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Scripsit Josh Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Monday 31 October 2005 09:54 am, Henning Makholm wrote:
This confuses me a bit; I thought that 'autotrace' was in the mess too
(due to libmagick and libpstoedit transitions), and had an upload to
make it installable-in-sid planned for tonight, now
adaptations he
did, and who are you do decree that his preferred method of solution
MUST be to redo all of his local adaptations by hand, instead of to
make the simple upstream change to one line in the file by hand?
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Scripsit Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 09:29:58AM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
Interesting. I don't think anybody will miss autotrace in testing for
the time being (it exists mostly because it's a build-dependency of
something), but it would be nice
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Scripsit Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is a reasonable concern, but the standing policy is that if a package
is RC-buggy, it's a candidate for removal from testing at any time.
The fact that it is a candidate for removal is a completely
Scripsit Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You seem to assume that the *only* way to get this change into the
file is to forcibly discard all of the sysadmin's local adaptations
and install a pristine upstream version of the conffile.
No, of course
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Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
4. User selects the No, I'm happy with my own version as it look
now menu option.
Your proposal, if I understand you correctly, is to make (4) result in
the postinst failing even though the user _has_
Scripsit Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So, would anybody object if I set up a cronjob that emails the PTS
whenever a (source) package propagates to, or is removed from, testing?
It turns out that PTS mail does not ordinary get sent to the
maintainer address, only to third-party subscribers
, _refrain_ from uploading until the big knot goes in, however
that will happen? Please advise.
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ought to be some stock magic in {dpkg-,dh_}gencontrol
for this, but currently there isn't.
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hope because of the way he
]
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Description:
libpstoedit-dev - PostScript to editable vector graphics library (development
files
libpstoedit0c2 - PostScript to editable vector graphics library (runtime files)
pstoedit - PostScript and PDF files to editable vector graphics converter
something to be desired).
It would be a plus if something useful could run while the
networking script is waiting for replies.
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be removed.
This doesn't mention the copyright notice, but if the IETF is
satisfied with that wording, I think it is fine for me as well.
Is that license acceptable to the Debian community?
I think it is fine.
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Sources file has no
occurence of '[' in any Binary: line. Or is that not how such a
situation is signalled?
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to it because
they don't know better. It is not harmful, so we generally ignore it.
Not having read the entire license, I will not comment on its freedom
in general. Go to -legal if interested.
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Scripsit Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thursday 06 October 2005 12:45, Henning Makholm wrote:
I notice that the newest upload of pstoedit has reverted the C++
transition name change; instead of libpstoedit0c2 sid now contains
libpstoedit0, as in sarge.
Does this not need
of luck with that. Torsten might still be interested, too.
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Scripsit Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thursday 06 October 2005 12:45, Henning Makholm wrote:
I notice that the newest upload of pstoedit has reverted the C++
transition name change; instead of libpstoedit0c2 sid now contains
libpstoedit0, as in sarge.
This is, IMHO, incorrect
the reasoning be referenced from the
pstoedit changelog, anyway?
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fix would be to just chown $HOME/.aptitude and
$HOME/.aptitude/config to the owner of $HOME when they are created
(resp. written to).
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)
OR ((there are CVS directories in the .orig.tar.gz)
AND (the .orig.tar.gz unpacks into packagename-version.orig/))
If one has reason to repackage the source archive, one may as well get
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Scripsit Paul TBBle Hampson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So I guess the upshot is if you need this, you'll know because you'll be
trying to install a Keyman keymap, and will have apt-cache searched for
Keyman.
That is no excuse for not explaining what it is in the package description.
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at keeping the common psutils
tools in Debian (and keeping them well-maintained), preferably as part
of a team [thus not retitling to ITA just yet].
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Scripsit Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 10:07:12PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote:
(For example, some postscript files explode in size when they are
passed through ghostscripts pswrite backend - which is more or less by
design. Others become smaller, but in any
it without wanting to be guinea pigs nevertheless become ones, and
when things break for them, they don't get any sympathy.
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as being a February 2003 version.
There text in the doc-debian package in unstable/testing appears to be
newer. Does that include your recent fixes?
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A more long-term solution would be to explicitly reserve a portion of
the username/group namespace to system users and groups. But this has
been discussed before.
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What I don't understand is that the maintainer script blithely went on
doing its thing after addgroup failed the first time. The postinst
does have an -e flag -- what is happening here?
Umm... does addgroup
is, wouldn't fixing it now
introduce a library transition? And wouldn't it be a good idea to
postpone that until the current large transitions are done with?
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can be meaningfully described as a group of persons that can be
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Henning Makholm writes:
I doubt that people who do not wish to become legally bound to appear
at the the author's home court whenever he files a frivolous lawsuit
can be meaningfully described as a group of persons that can be
discriminated against
.
In cases where a bug report is so obviously bogus that no explanation
for ignoring it is needed at all, it should be closed instead of
having a wontfix tag silently slapped on. But this is evidently not
the case for the wontfix-tagged bugs on cdebootstrap.
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, discriminate against rich ones?
We *should* discriminate against software whose authors wants the
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Without the licensors, there is no commons. Without an ability to
enforce licenses, the concept of copyleft becomes pointless.
You seem to assert that licenses
Scripsit Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I wonder, let's say you are going to be judged in some random US court, even
if it is with German laws, you still would fall into common US-practice legal
or something such ?
Court procedures always go by the local law of the forum.
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Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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The licensor *already* has carte blanche to harrass licensees with
fivolous lawsuits.
No - if the court throws out the case ex officio because of lack
make baseless challenges against the user.
It very much alters the degree of harm to the user that such baseless
challenges give cause to.
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Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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In the case you're worrying about (obnoxious large businesses suing
people in order to intimidate them), the difference in cost is
unlikely to deter them
the *user* the
freedoms we promise him that he will have if the *user* agrees to
submit himself to a completely unlimited risk of having to travel to
the end of the world to defend himself from bogus lawsuits from the
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claus.
I agree that we should not accept such licence, but not because they are not
free :)
It is only free for people who agree to be on the beck-and-call of the
author for all time ever after. That means, for the purposes of
Debian, that it is not free at all.
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to be compatible (unless you think a license
can be free with a venue choice that you do not consider sane), so
I must have misunderstood one of them. Could you elaborate, please?
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a excellent job of filtering spam; my own (anecdotal,
non-scientific) experience is that I spend more time reading
discussions about how to spamfilter l.d.o better than I spend
ignoring spam on the lists.
Given that I *don't* do any local filtering of incoming list mail, I'm
rather puzzled...
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to be
*allowed* to give proper credit, we ought to rethink that decision.
In most places we already call our operating system simply Debian. I
think we should just go through the website (and CD generation scripts
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of the name our project.
If anyone really cares, it's probably wise to check with LMI directly.
As far as I can tell they do not give any email address on their
website. And in any case, oughtn't to be some kind of official Debian
representative who checked with them?
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with it as an unprivileged user.
Anyway, I don't see the advantage of changing names here:
I think it would be *wrong* to change names here.
Interactive configuration tools commonly do *not* take a dash.
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with less intrusive means.
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to recompute the .diff.gz
and .dsc using dpkg-buildpackage (which in any case ought to produce
identical files). But I think the sponsoree should provide a .dsc
nevertheless, if only to document the checksum of the .orig.tar.gz he
used for packaging.
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with a key on db.debian.org and still not be accepted
by ftp-master because the latter's keyring is only updated by hand.
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Henning Makholm wrote:
It is already the case that flatly refusing to give away the package
or even allow co-maintenance *should* not happen at all and, if it
does happen, *should* not prevent the package from eventually being
given to somebody
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