).
Perhaps they might actually listen to you if *you* requested the removal of
dgrs?
Since they aren't listening to me.
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Forget most of my previous message!
Googling again, it looks like someone upstream at Linux picked up the dgrs
removal after several weeks (and I simply didn't notice)!
I guess the system works. :-) Hooray!
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non-free where they belong. If this was true, integration of
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guess the Social Contract really is a joke. I don't know why new applicants
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years
with no consequences.
It doesn't make me respect Debian very much.
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Don Armstrong wrote:
To underline, the following clauses in the CDDL are problematic:
9. MISCELLANEOUS
[...]
This License shall be governed by the law of the jurisdiction
specified in a notice contained within the Original Software
(except to the extent applicable law, if any,
Russ Allbery wrote:
So, here's a possibly weird proposal.
What if we had some mechanism whereby people could indicate interest in
maintaining a package should anything happen to the current maintainer?
Have it be as non-confrontational as possible by having it not indicate
any feeling about
I think everyone missed the important part of my message.
so I'm soliciting comments on it again.
But perhaps the best solution is to document prominently that if you
replace your network hardware, you should delete the line associated
with the removed hardware from
time (sick family members).
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was added and knowning whether the maintainer mentioned the
patch;
it's easy for a human to tell though.
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), and thankfully I haven't yet had to do it with a machine
running udev, because this would have bitten me as I wondered why the CD
numbers
kept going up and up and up.
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as it is now.
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Credit where credit is due; nearly all the easy longstanding bugs were fixed
in a very short amount of time, and the rest had explanations of the problems
added to the bug trail, which is *superb*.
Thanks Ryan Murray et al!
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Namely, fix bug #224469. It's really trivial and it's been waiting
for over three years now. This is just STUPID.
Next DPL election, I want to see someone running on the platform of
adding an extra ftpmaster *whether or not the current ftpmasters
like it*. Someone who will get simple stuff
that the dire warning on tempnam(3) is overblown.
Am I right?
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So I'm going through the old bugs list. There are 37 bugs against emacs20.
emacs20 is only in oldstable-security at this point. What is the correct fate
for
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To start with, congratulations to the ftpmasters for keeping up
with the NEW queue. Unfortunately, this email is going to be a
case of damning with faint praise
I'm seeing bugs which were filed as removal requests as early as
August 14 which are still waiting for processing. Unfortunately,
I'm guessing translations. They eat up space really fast.
Is there a way to compare packages after localepurge runs?
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reasonable.
Upgrades from really-messed-up versions may also require people to do
something manually to clean up from the messed-up version.
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picked up.)
I will note that rxvt has 1234 popcon installs, so if anyone's going for
brownie points
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to removable,
but not quite. libglade, gnome-libs, and imlib are definitely hanging
around.
Adopters welcome for any of the six. :-)
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On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:58:31 -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
(There are quite a few more -perl and -ruby packages, but I'm not quite
sure which ones have been picked up.)
The lib*-perl packages are all already in the Debian Perl Group's svn
repository
Frans Pop wrote:
On Monday 18 September 2006 16:36, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
Frankly, the kernel's You NEED to restart your computer SOON message
is a good example, if it's telling the truth. But that cheats by not
using debconf.
Oh yes it does!
When have you last done a kernel upgrade
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
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Marco trolled again. FYI, no serious person disagrees with this
interpretation.
Except every other distribution, which usually retain real lawyers
to advise them
probably the dependency should be specified.
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On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 09:27:21AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing which
technically
and the other parts of the kernel. Simply putting files side by side is
mere aggregation -- what's happening with the drivers and firmware might be
mere aggregation, but nobody can be sure until a court case happens.
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Steve Langasek wrote:
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:48:00PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
Debian needs to make a decision on how it will deal with this legal
minefield. That is higher priority than the entire discussion going on
right now, because it determines whether Debian will distribute
, because long-standing bugs are substantially more
annoying than new bugs.
A release where we fixed all the (discovered and undiscovered) RC bugs from
the *previous* release would be a very successful release. :-)
and finding the relative time-to-fix of each of these.
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Hello,
On Wed, 30.08.2006 at 09:27:21 +0200, Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing which
technically does not permit redistribution. At least 53
Steve Langasek wrote:
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 08:26:56PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
snip
Actually, letting an overworked team of four with (to my knowledge) zero
legal expertise settle questions of legal liability is pretty absurd too.
They are the team responsible for vetting
and no-license-text drivers are serious and
separate issues, and affect far more drivers than properly-licensed
sourceless firmware affects.)
I suggest a d-d-a post adding this link:
http://doolittle.icarus.com/~larry/fwinventory/2.6.17.html
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the original companies, and then I'd have a
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* Nathanael Nerode:
In reality, as user A, I switched to using cdrdao for making serious audio
CDs and CD-RWs, and for burning disks from .iso files: this uses
Schilling's scsilib, but not the rest of cdrecord.
What
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to make a new standard based on the previous standard. Duh. Very
common use case. The problem is not permission to change a standards
document but permission to make a modified derivative of a standards
document. I don't understand why people have such trouble understanding
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, if you know how to write
a Makefile, don't use it, just write your Makefile -- but most people
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things like this which they've noticed
and we could get them into the next release notes, including anything which
wasn't
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), please fix it.
I will file occasional bugs as I spot them, but given the sheer number of
cases, I
thought a reminder to all Debian Developers was a better move. If you have
difficulty
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That's exactly what I did:
apt-get install -y \
autoconf2.13 \
toolchain-source toolchain-source-gdb \
toolchain-source-newlib \
dpkg-cross dejagnu expect gperf dpatch gobjc cdbs quilt \
expectk patchutils equivs
The NEW queue is down to *22* packages, which is totally unheard of.
Only three packages have been waiting longer than a month -- so
Javier's package is no longer in the 'endless wait' state.
At the same time, the RM bugs are in fairly good shape, and clearly
removals are also being processed
Eduard Bloch wrote:
#include hallo.h
* Kevin Bube [Fri, Jul 07 2006, 11:29:21AM]:
Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Adam Borowski [Fri, Jul 07 2006, 10:38:32AM]:
* dvdrtools, a fork of the last GPLed version, is in non-free
Please look at dvdrtools' files, eg. cdrecord.c before
licensing analysis like --
well,
the best analogy is debugging.
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By whom? A bunch of people with too much time on their hands. Is there
an actual lawyer involved? I don't think so.
This is a crazy stupid argument. By this argument, Debian should distribute
absolutely
anything, no matter what the license, unless a lawyer gets
. I expect that most of what it needs from netbase will turn out to
already be available in the installer.
Given the state of sysklogd, I hope that it can be removed entirely from a
future
release of Debian.
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Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
So yes, I believe we need to work on the long-term ignored bugs. :)
Those are essentially all I work on.
It's a good thing I have a thick skin. Some maintainers are genuinely grateful
for the
assistance, and they're a pleasure to work with. (This includes the X
, but there is (a short) front and
back cover text.
How do we proceed with these documents?
They're non-free, per the GR. Cover Texts are unmodifiable material.
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correct thing to do,
and I apologize for not doing it in the first place. For some reason my
brain didn't come up with that as a possibility. :-/
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of work is what I'm especially good at. I could
start an alioth project for keyring-manangement-scripts if anyone else is
interested in working on this.
Hmm, this is going off topic for -vote Replies to -devel please.
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Glenn Maynard wrote:
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 02:31:43AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
Incidentally, if I ever become a DD, I will immediately propose a GR to
amend the Social Contract to explicitly allow unmodifiable license
a special license exception dual-licensing the
Doxygen comments.
To date, this has not been done, and it is still technically illegal to
generate that portion of the libstdc++ manual unless you're the FSF.
Blech.
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Debian, since it technically doesn't, but everyone agrees that it should.
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netbase-data package.
In fact, this would solve in a certain sense the long argument about how many
protocols/services to include in the lists: alternate packages could
Provides: netbase-data if they included any superset of the most basic list.
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bts.turmzimmer.net just went nuts:
Changes at Thu Feb 2 0:10:06 CET 2006:
(all but six RC bugs are supposedly solved simultaneously)
Obviously something broke. Perhaps the ldap interface to the BTS, since
packages.qa.debian.org is giving bogus results too.
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so far not even a response telling me I'm in a queue.
Is the procedure described above still the right one?
DAM is very slow-moving these days. Probably they haven't looked at your
mail
yet.
Um, just in case anyone was wondering, that wasn't intended as a criticism of
DAM -- I think
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ago, as described here:
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so far not even a response telling me I'm in a queue.
Is the procedure described above still the right one?
DAM is very
Russ Allbery wrote:
(Or is
imake going away completely?)
Yep.
Imake is still being shipped for the benefit of third-party packages, but it
is not used by anything in Xorg 7.0 IIRC. Doing a quick check, I think very
few if any other packages in Debian use imake.
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Here's a list of packages that install binaries into /usr/X11R6/bin and
don't have lintian overrides for it. In spot checks, about a quarter of
these packages use imake. And that's just the packages with binaries;
there are a number of other packages that don't install
-1
As written above: ENCODING is still an issue and therefore at least one
reason is still true. So dont hope too much it will get through.
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the same, but
use NMU version numbers and add a Changed-By: field which is different, that
seems perfectly reasonable as well.
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How did bin-NMU numbers work for the old numbering scheme on native
packages?
In a Complicated Way. Essentially, the debian revision and NMU revision were
filled in with 0s (which were, accordingly, not supposed to be used in normal
version numbers).
What prohibited
aj@azure.humbug.org.au:
MJ Ray's already done such a summary; it's rather trivially inadequate,
due to the information its summarising being equally inadequate.
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00901.html
So the summary amounts to patents. Is that right? In other words,
Apologies to AJ and the ftpmasters. I found the *important* part of the
thread, which I'd apparently missed during December, in which the
ftpmasters...
drumroll
explain what would be needed for mplayer to go into Debian now, barring
finding additional problems.
Congrats Jeroen van
In response to your request for replies to
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/05/msg00260.html:
1. Most of the source packages in Ubuntu are inherited from Debian
unchanged (example: tetex-base).
Then the *source* packages can legitimately use the same Maintainer: field.
If they are
Steve Langasek wrote:
Which would be totally pointless until dpkg itself is fixed to give
packagers an alternative to ${Source-Version}.
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
I thought we had a fix-strategy in place for addressing these cases.
I'm sorry if we don't; then of course this strategy
Eric Dorland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This has probably been covered ad nauseum, but where do we stand in
respect to getting mplayer in Debian?
IIRC, the copyright issues were carefully worked out and solved after several
years, finally reaching the approval of debian-legal. At which point it
I'd like to offer these three packages for adoption: x-symbol, xmix, and
oneko.
I'll take oneko if Joey Hess doesn't want it. (But frankly he'll probably do
a better job at maintaining it than me.) (On third thought, I'd be happy to
be a co-maintainer for it.)
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It'll take me some time to find a new, and more appropriate home for
apt-torrent.
The Debian archive (experimental distribution) would be a *very*
appropriate home.
It won't provide a testbed package seeder or place to download .torrent files,
but that can be done later (and by any number
Amazing! ghc6 is now the top blocker for packages entering testing, and it's
only keeping 15 packages out of testing!
Hooray!
Now to fix those ~= 400 RC bugs
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Hello! This is one of 5 RC bugs, apparently with no maintainer response.
Apparently the list which is listed as the maintainer is rejecting messages
(336752), which probably contributes to the problem. Hence the Cc: to
debian-devel.
This bug is trivial to fix, and because it prevents mesa
to fix FTBFSes,
RC bugs, etc.)
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, then Javier should
be told.
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(it's documented
neatly in the ITP bug trail), but you're clearly wrong in the case of Javier.
Javier has stated that he's just guessing why his package has been stalled
and that he really isn't sure.
I don't know about the others.
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Not a great way to find information. :-P
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Yes, ftpmaster is getting efficient at the routine processing. Congrats!
Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
But it is not doing a great job with processing a few old uploads. I
consider it a problem that no decision have been taken on the few
really old uploads (xvidcap,
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
Regenerating acinclude.m4, aclocal.m4, configure.in, and finally configure,
can be a pain in the neck. In some packages, it's done by
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
autoreconf ?
NO NO NO. That does not work for these KDE-based packages, which
it anywhere
it might help and edit it as needed.
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I believe my package is affected by the issues stated by Steve,
depending on libraries which I do not directly use. Most of them are
probably pulled in through the QT library I am depending on. My package,
packagesearch, uses qmake as a build tool. The linking command
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Nathanael Nerode [Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:35:41 -0500]:
To work out which libraries you're linked to which you don't actually
need,
ldd -u executable or library is invaluable.
This seems like not the case _at all_ to me (the invaluable bit):
Yes
This is an omnibus reply. Sorry about the thread-breaking, but I'm on
yet *another* computer, and I can't seem
to find a mailer which respects the In-Reply-To headers from the web
pages or lets me add my own.
==
I would like to note that I have made a practical and *new* suggestion
for
James' opinion on this, but why
do you not trust our beloved Release Manager, either, who said he knew
of no serious issues with buildd maintenance right now?
Why should either of them know, to be perfectly frank? This is argument by
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outside observer would come
to. If that's an inaccurate conclusion, it indicates that there's something
seriously wrong in the transparency of the processes.
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possibility
is of course that each of these packages generated the bad recursive list
on its own, which is just as likely. I'm wondering where to file the bugs.
:-)
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Blrgh!
OK. So I was working on the problem of fixing dpkg-dev so that
foo Depends: foo-data {SourceVersion}, foo-libs {BinaryVersion}
or something similar actually works. By parsing the version numbers.
Now it's apparently been changed under our noses, in such a way that my
proposed
Jay Berkenbilt wrote:
From time to time, someone announces an intention to package some tiny
script or program, and people suggest including it in some other
package instead to avoid pollution of the archive with lots of tiny
packages. Although I understand the reasoning and the issues here
Chip Salzenberg wrote:
Who does a developer have to fuck around here to get his key deleted?
Same one he has to fuck to get a new key added, presumably.
It's a pity the DPL hasn't anointed a less-busy person with authority to
alter the keyring.
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to do these
jobs. Branden?
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Bastian Venthur wrote:
Maybe renaming Debians i386 into something more accurate like x86 or
even IA32 (in consistency with IA64) would suppress discussions like
this in the future?
Good idea :-)
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Erast Benson wrote:
There are things like forums, mailing list, blogs,
web-based Debian repository browser, etc. which need
^
Trademark point. Are you referring to a browser for *Debian's* FTP archive?
If you are not, you must not call this a Debian
melanied, right? That much is trivial, and should just involve making
britney stupider by making it do less.
The hard part there is working out how to hang on to the old source package
(which is needed for licensing reasons), I guess?
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Marc Haber wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:34:49 +0100, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Oct 30, 2005, at 10:52, Marc Haber wrote:
I can confirm that master sits on some messages for days, such as this
one, for example:
|Received: from master.debian.org ([146.82.138.7])
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Peter Samuelson wrote:
[Daniel Ruoso]
The question is: Is there a way (I mean, already implemented) to sort
the packages putting the most used and less dependencies on the front
and showing wich packages needs to be installed before the build can
start?
[Goswin von Brederlow]
No.
Steve Langasek wrote:
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 09:27:06AM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
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No, it's a bug in dpkg-dev, which should know how to set
${Source-Version} correctly for binNMUs.
I'm not clear which file actually puts this substitution in
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