'dgit clone' adds a vcs-git remote pointing at the maintainer's
history. So it sort of does this. We could make it do more.
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hen I am
> more willing to accept your stanze.
I have tried it out, and am happy for those maintainers that like it to
use it, but I do not want to maintain most of my packages that way.
I want people to send me patches to the BTS / project ML.
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in git-annex and git-repair outside of the monorepo.
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That seems worth writing down.
Thank you Maytham for your work so far.
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Hello,
On Sat 06 Apr 2024 at 02:24pm +02, Guillem Jover wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On Sat, 2024-04-06 at 19:13:22 +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
>> On Fri 05 Apr 2024 at 01:31am +03, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>> > Right now the preferred form of source in Debian is an upstream-sig
Hello,
On Sat 06 Apr 2024 at 02:42pm +03, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 06, 2024 at 07:13:22PM +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Fri 05 Apr 2024 at 01:31am +03, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Right now the preferred form of source
exists, except in the cases that it intentionally ignores.
Right, both dgit and tag2upload's client-side wrapped of git-tag(1),
git-debpush(1), do this check.
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round git, make it the case that
salsa & dgit in some combination are the preferred form for modification
for most packages.
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to run
external processes.
.
To browse SBCL source definitions with development environments,
install the sbcl-source package. For documentation on SBCL's usage
and internals, the package sbcl-doc is provided.
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ey did not meaningfully affect dgit & tag2upload's design.
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good thing, no need to list the
> advantages.
It is also already fully implemented as tag2upload, and is merely as yet
undeployed, for social reasons.
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Hello,
On Fri 29 Mar 2024 at 06:21pm -06, Antonio Russo wrote:
> 1. Move towards allowing, and then favoring, git-tags over source tarballs
Many of us already do this. dgit maintains an official store of the tags.
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Hello,
On Fri 29 Mar 2024 at 01:44am GMT, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 09:28:44AM +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
>> On Thu 14 Mar 2024 at 01:29pm GMT, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>> > I took a peek, out of curiosity. I was surprised not to find a
>> > orig.ta
separate.
Not everyone agrees with this. I think that same repo, non-native
versioning is often what's best for a package.
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Hello Kunal,
Thank you for your message.
Unfortunately, only existing DDs can nominate themselves for this.
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ould be in favour of the 25 lines criterion. The main problem with
manipulating d/copyright is only the really long licenses, IME.
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ctive in this sort of contentious
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ical effect, or asking rhetorical questions,
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ople are not doing that on Debian lists, so
the quoted text from your message seems entirely off-topic.
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d require a new, maintainer-overruling vote.
Our existing decisions do not apply, so far as I can tell.
I have written a separate message to the bug and to debian-dpkg with a
proposal to avoid having to have such a vote.
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hieve something more general than that, however.
It is completely reasonable, as you wrote in another message, to want
this transition to be held to the same standards as others.
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ents and best practices contain various provisions with
user's own packages in mind.
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ason the RT advice was
> worded as it was.
It's designed to stop as-yet-unknown problems happening, too.
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reas of Debian that we're most
proud of -- completely smooth upgrades between stable releases.
So, I think we should assume the people who are more worried are right,
for the time being. We lose little in doing so.
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e. Indeed, Emacs exports all these as CHANGELOG files in
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y doesn't include version control. But the preferred
form for modifying a *project* arguably does.
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preferred forms for modification and binary packages, so that we know we
have the former for every one of the latter.
dgit-repos and dak's archive of source packages both serve this purpose.
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translations, 457
> untranslated messages.
> Stats for ru: 870 translated messages, 44 fuzzy translations, 460
> untranslated messages.
I hope you won't mind me noting here that we'd also like to see Policy
translated. We've got all the infra, but not too much interest in
working on it so far.
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s is a matter of perspective. The fact that dak doesn't store git
histories and send them out to mirrors is an implementation detail, to
me. salsa and dgit-repos are both just as significant Debian archives,
even if they're not what we refer to when we write "Debian archive".
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imate) issues with git-debrebase you describe.
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t we just fix all those packacges, instead of changing any
documents? Is there anyone who actually wants to introduce new packages
not using git? I'm not so sure.
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into that?
The scripts prioritise binary-NEW over source-NEW by default, though I
override this with a shell alias myself.
We don't pay attention to unstable vs. experimental.
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to debian-devel-announce.
Thank you for the notification.
At the present time, I believe this will break DDs logging into
tracker.debian.org. I recently had to mess around with client
certificates in order to login there and subscribe to a new package.
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al sender. This
> is the fix that Mailman mostly uses, and it seems to work (I've had this
> problem with multiple mailing lists I run and turning on this message
> mangling has fixed it). But of course someone has to find time to
> implement this.
ARC is meant to be an alternative to this, eventua
Hello,
On Fri 02 Sep 2022 at 12:31PM +01, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Sean Whitton writes ("Re: Comments on proposing NEW queue improvement (Re:
> Current NEW review process saps developer motivation"):
>> On Sat 27 Aug 2022 at 04:22PM +02, Vincent Bernat wrote:
>> > I
ON bumps should pass new we need some code that implements this.
> So we also need someone to volunteer for this.
I think we still want the binary package namespace checking?
I.e., a GR just saying "ftpteam should not do a full licensing/copyright
check for packages in binNEW".
T
eam members. The usual
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e judgements about what's in its preferred
form for modification, explain it in d/copyright, if you're doing so in
the spirit of the DFSG then the ftpteam will probably agree." It's sort
of like the "no detailed design work" for the TC.
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n/changelog -m"..."
dgit push-source
done
The advantage being that it's git workflow-agnostic, so perhaps more
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nflict between the old and the new one.
>
> I'd replace 'easily' with 'theoretically in rare cases' but I can see how
> this is a valid point, sometimes.
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
Epochs make it easier to accidentally violate Policy 3.2.2.
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aration of orig.tar and diff.gz/whatever has this
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> that's a total waste of time - it's following a guideline blindly
> without understanding the reason for it.
Definitely.
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> I
> have to wait with my upload to NEW after filing the ITP?
No, in fact they're not even required. The Haskell team doesn't post
them, for example.
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Hello,
On Sun 01 May 2022 at 07:52am +08, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Sat, 2022-04-30 at 14:20 -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
>
>> This would really slow things down;
>> I don't think we could work that way.
>
> Using separate bug reports or not would of course be up to the per
Hello,
On Sat 30 Apr 2022 at 07:44AM +08, Paul Wise wrote:
> It also means the ftpmasters can file separate bugs for each problem,
> rather than combining them all into one mail.
This would really slow things down; I don't think we could work that
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in the case
> where a second package in Debian uses subdirmk.
>
> It seemed me best to me to defer this work until subdirmk becomes more
> widely used.
Cool. Just wanted to raise the question.
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Hello,
I took over upstream maintenance of this package recently and started
tagging releases again. The most recent release is 0.9.8. But the
Debian package version is 20210111.gitab5f07e-1. So I would like to
bump the epoch to go back to using upstream versions. Thanks!
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Hello,
On Tue 29 Mar 2022 at 08:50AM +02, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 28/03/22 at 16:03 -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Tue 15 Mar 2022 at 06:26PM +01, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>>
>> > On 15/03/22 at 15:36 +, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> >&g
patch serie, no VCS history). I don't think that it's
> something desirable.
> (if the packages had declared a VCS, they would have joined cachefilesd,
> userv-utils, and vde2 in the "native package with a Debian revision
> maintained in a VCS" category.)
They have detaile
Hello,
On Tue 15 Mar 2022 at 11:46AM +01, Julien Cristau wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 02:58:31PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Wed 09 Mar 2022 at 05:15PM +01, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>>
>> > On 09/03/22 at 08:52 -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
>
ooks like the query didn't do quite what was intended, indeed:
src:userv-utils is maintained in git but a bug was filed. Before I go
ahead and close the bug, would you mind confirming this was an error
rather than a disagreement about what counts as VCS-maintained?
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Hello,
On Wed 09 Mar 2022 at 05:15PM +01, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 09/03/22 at 08:52 -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
>> On Wed 09 Mar 2022 at 01:08pm +01, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>> > Also, how would that work with packages that combine direct changes to
>> > upstream, a
hand; Ian, could you summarise, please?
>
> Currently, I think diff cannot represent changes to symlinks.
> git can store symlinks and represent their targets, and changes to
> their targets.
So in this case 1.0-native is the only option. And it would be a
downgrade to mess around w
Hello,
On Wed 09 Mar 2022 at 01:08pm +01, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 08/03/22 at 17:33 -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
>> Lucas, as I've had a lot to do with these git workflows and have
>> probably done the most work documenting them, I can help with any
>> specific follow-u
commits,
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> with the biggest potential to benefit Debian, since it's a direct
> simplification of the number of ways packages are maintained in the
> archive. The packages without any patch system feel a bit less
> interesting.
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Hello,
On Thu 03 Mar 2022 at 08:44PM +01, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Am Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 09:57:26AM -0700 schrieb Sean Whitton:
>> > PS: I'm currently considering writing up some summary of the bunch
>> > of threads that was born out of my initial mail.
>> >
>
Hello,
On Thu 03 Mar 2022 at 07:36am +01, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Hi Sean,
>
> Am Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 08:33:35AM -0700 schrieb Sean Whitton:
>>
>> I'm sorry to be responding only a month later, but I think there are
>> some reasons why binNEW is not the worst pl
ts and
these are (i) large, such that d/copyright is more likely to drift
simply because of the volume of files; and (ii) often contain embedded
code copies with different copyright and licensing. My own NEW
experience is that I've consistently found more problems in binNEW
packages than anywhere else.
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Hello,
On Mon 07 Feb 2022 at 12:00PM -05, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 12:06:24AM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
>>
>> When we treat any of the above just like other RC bugs, we are accepting
>> a lower likelihood that the bugs will be found, and also that
technical bugs in either, but, well.
I would like NEW to change so it can be faster, because I agree with you
that the current focus on copyright and licensing does not line up with
what we as a project really care about. I am not so sure that the
character of the archive wouldn't change for the worse if we treated
DFSG issues differently, however.
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ave been
> overthinking the risks here.
Just to note that GitHub let *others* upload things without reviewing,
such that they're a communications platform (or whatever the legal term
is) not a publisher, but we're a publisher.
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very much once more, and not enough, not even close.
Oh, well noticed, and indeed -- thank you so much, security team, you
are a huge part of making our distribution what it is.
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to rescind this recommendation if mechanisms are
developed to avoid the undesired side-effects of moving files from the
root filesystem into /usr.
For the Technical Committee:
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ebase in its pristine form would violate the Debian
> Free Software Guidelines (DFSG), I would use the hint "dfsg"-
>
> When upstream codebase require repackaging for (only) other reasons than
> DFSG compliance I instead use the hint "ds" (as in "derived source&q
, so it's not completely safe.
When you 'dgit push-source' or 'dgit push', that history is immutable in
that only the service admins can rewrite it.
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Hello,
On Wed 25 Aug 2021 at 12:00PM +02, Simon Richter wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 8/25/21 1:21 AM, Sean Whitton wrote:
>
>> From my point of view, signing git tags is no less well established a
>> best practice than signing tarballs -- in fact, to me, it seems *m
ackage is now in NEW queue:
> https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/gnu-which_2.21-1.html
>
> Having both freebsd which and gnu which in Debian archive is definitely ok. If
> you would like, please also upload freebsd-which onto unstable.
It's okay, indeed, but please do consider NEW queue workload with things
like this -- upload it if you're sure it's going to get used, not just
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commit", and a single packaging branch becomes enough.
>
> I very much wish this packaging workflow gained more traction, and the
> pristine-tar abomination dies...
I agree.
I'd like to suggest using 'git deborig' which is much shorter to type :)
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h filtering, I lost the details
> though.
git-deborig in devscripts has code to handle the filtering problem, I
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ur (small) team to contribute to the Debian
> community.
Please consider Debian Policy too! We've got po4a infra set up.
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of upstreams I
find myself interacting with, based on the package maintainance work I
tend to be involved in. I don't mean to deny that it looks the other
way around from other points of view. But I think either of us would be
mistaken to take one of them to be more standard, at this point.
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On Wed 18 Aug 2021 at 02:10PM -07, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Sean Whitton writes:
>> On Wed 18 Aug 2021 at 11:10AM +02, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
>
>>> This path is us
buggy with this change. It was
thought to be just a clarification.
Russ, perhaps we should revert this?
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ing-checklist.html#version-4-5-2
Fixed, thanks. Will reach web mirrors later today.
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t; in Policy?
I wrote the git-deborig tool in devscripts to make it easy to generate
the orig.tar files. For almost every upload I just type either 'git
deborig', or for -2, 'origtargz'.
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Hello,
On Sat 14 Aug 2021 at 07:55AM +01, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 03:31:02PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
>> For example, there are those of us who think that the downsides of the
>> combination of 3.0 (quilt) and patches stored unapplied in git are
>>
attempts to provide alternatives, such
as git-debrebase. Contributing to Debian would be a lot less fun if we
were asked to just set these reasons aside and use something which to us
is clearly technically inferior.
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u produce
debdiffs to send to the BTS in a way that's more sane than working with
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Hello,
On Fri 04 Jun 2021 at 06:39PM +02, Helmut Grohne wrote:
> Hi Sean,
>
> On Thu, Jun 03, 2021 at 04:47:44PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
>> dgit wraps some of the existing tools. While dgit is mainly for humans,
>> one role it can have in automated toolchains is p
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Hello,
On Thu 15 Jul 2021 at 09:56AM +02, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> Hi Sean
>
> On 2021/07/15 09:04, Sean Whitton wrote:
>> Just to confirm, when you say "merged-usr-via-aliased-dirs", you mean
>> what I would get if I typed 'debootstrap bullseye /foo', ri
Hello Guillem,
On Wed 14 Jul 2021 at 11:40PM +02, Guillem Jover wrote:
> On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 19:54:56 +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
>> Sean Whitton dixit:
>> >* #978636 move to merged-usr-only?
>> >
>> > We were asked to decide whether or not Debian 'bookwo
Hello,
On Sun 06 Jun 2021 at 11:20AM -07, Sean Whitton wrote:
> Hello Helmut,
>
> On Fri 04 Jun 2021 at 08:49PM +02, Helmut Grohne wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 04, 2021 at 07:43:59PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
>>> I want to add a few patches to this repository:
>>
-- `dgit clone` gets you something standard, and you can
then just cherry-pick/format-patch your work to share with the
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le it can have in automated toolchains is producing an ephemeral
source package for the purpose of performing a build where the real
input is a git tree. dgit knows how to convert various forms of git
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o I've
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