On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 09:03:06AM +1100, Brian May wrote:
Also, all mailing list software I have seen so far exclusively uses
mbox files.
Sure, these are implementation issues that could be solved, but
currently mbox wins.
if the use of your stored mail is append-only and read-only, then
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 12:29:09AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote:
Given that some people might find offensive to be compared to
illuminati, I don't think this is the best way to engage the ftp-master.
YMMV.
perhaps i should have made it a bit more apparent that my tongue was
slightly in-cheek
can't help but chime in here :)
On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 09:22:30AM +1100, Brian May wrote:
Not every situation warrants using maildir, it uses a large number of
inodes, is slow to scan (yes, mbox isn't very good either),
inefficient at storing large number of very small files (due to block
On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 06:51:32PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
That seems awfully huge. In my (Maildir) archive of d-u, the
average size is 4,959 bytes. Of course, there are no html mails.
Though, even in my Evolution list archive, where there are many
more html-mails, the average size is
hi josh,
On Sat, Feb 26, 2005 at 02:18:19PM -0500, Josh Metzler wrote:
I seem to recall hearing that NEW processing is based solely on binary
packages, so that the new source package would not need to go through NEW
if it creates a binary package that is already in the archive.
I couldn't
hi,
i'm maintaining a source package that produces two binary packages. however,
one of the packages is built from a seperately distributed (same author,
same website, but different tarball and versioning scheme) tarball.
so i'm thinking these two packages should be generated from their own
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i've been using this new pwc driver for a while now and have not had
any problems with it, tested on i386 and amd64 boxen.
so, after looking over the latest version, assuming there are no
new issues i'll plan on uploading the pwc-source package to unstable.
i don't think this really warrants a
On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 09:08:11PM +0100, Eric Lavarde wrote:
pwc: no version for struct_module found: kernel tainted.
i'm guessing that this has to do with how you compiled the module.
i don't get this message if i use m-a build pwc-source or the
appropriate --append-to-version flags with
example below.
is this a problem of the server being generally over-taxed, or just
a sluggish ldap implementation? in either case, has someone looked
to see if the ldap db could be optimized/indexed? if not and someone
could send me the slapd.conf i could send some recommendations on things
to
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On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:04:51PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote:
A similar 2 key system is probably a good idea for security, and maybe
also for the normal rotated keys (just ship 2005 and 2006 keys now).
i think having two keys would make logistics a lot simpler for release
upgrades, assuming
On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 10:15:55AM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote:
FYI: new mysql FLOSS includes OpenSSL license, so many packages could
migrate to current libmysqlclient starting from no starting from now..
that's great to hear! i'm cc'ing the relevant wishlist bug i have open
against
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 06:51:11PM +0100, Björn Krombholz wrote:
.dev is just a binding to the original (static) /dev/ that is created
before udev mounts it's dynamic /dev over the existing one. So if you
rm everything in /.dev you would delete everything in /dev which might
be needed at boot
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:46:29PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Feb 09, sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
how does /.dev fit in with the fhs?
It does not, but there is no other place to put it. Just do not look at
it and it will not bother you.
that's a great line of reasoning. :p
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 12:13:40AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
must it be mounted for everyone, or is it merely a convenience/necessity
for a few people in specific situations? if the latter is true, wouldn't
For people who want MAKEDEV to keep updating the static /dev.
that hardly sounds
On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 01:39:16PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Please use a less generic name. player alone means very little and
is likely to cause confusion.
also, keep in mind that a package named player (different
software) was previously ITP'd, and the packager was told
the same thing:
hi martin,
On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 02:11:30PM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
okay, when i return from VAC in three days i'll start packaging the new
upstream release for it, and take over the package with a new upload.
What's the status of this?
i haven't finished packaging the new
On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 04:18:30PM +, Jochen Voss wrote:
In bug #292759 the maintainer of gettext-base claims, that it is also
ok to install shell script sniplets, which are not executable on
itself into /usr/bin/
This is not a bug.
The file gettext.sh is meant to be sourced
On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 05:40:05PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote:
So I'll repeat: Please read the logs for non-bug Bug#292759, where the
author explains the rationale for putting gettext.sh in /usr/bin.
you want . gettext.sh to work, which means you want it somewhere
in the default system path.
hey list,
i'm looking at sponsoring a particular foo-source style kernel
module package, and haven't been able to find good documentation
on packaging tips/practices for this kind of package.
the package i'm looking at is already lintian/linda clean,
and, well, it works, but there are a few
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 04:36:05PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote:
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 05:03:26AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
[...]
Over the past six months, the situation has changed significantly. The
mysql maintainer, mysql upstream, and others have admirably worked through
the
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:38:37AM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote:
There are two common ways to achieve that:
- Connect as www-data. For this you need an appropriate PostgreSQL
user (createuser www-data as user postgres). Then you either make
www-data the owner of the database (createdb -O
to throw in my $0.02:
as folks have pointed out, even declaring a dependency against
the package won't guarantee your package will work anyway, why
not just make it a suggests, and in your config script do
something like
rev=`uname -r | grep '^2.6'`
if [ ! $rev ]; then
# show debconf
On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 11:00:49AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:27:46 +0100, Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Relax, he did not say rm -rf / in postinst.
That would be postrm.
or, prerm, since it hasn't been rm'd yet. postrm would be run after, if
only it still
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hi there,
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 03:05:15PM +0100, Jérôme Warnier wrote:
Any thoughts?
I collected some interesting Debian packaging Web Applications policy
drafts some time ago:
http://glasnost.beeznest.org/articles/184
to throw another link out:
http://people.debian.org/~seanius/policy/
hi thorsten,
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 06:08:02PM +0100, Thorsten Sauter wrote:
| i'm a cacti user myself and would be happy to take this one over. at
| some point i even wrote up some code to help transition people from
| the version in woody, which i could probably dig up.
yes. Please take
hi thorsten,
On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 04:14:03PM +0100, Thorsten Sauter wrote:
I plan to orphan some of my packages. At the moment I have not enough
time for those packages.
cacti - Frontend to rrdtool for monitoring systems and services
i'm a cacti user myself and would be happy to take
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:27:20AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
Yes, but I do not want to store the password *anywhere* - it could even
be removed from debconf database because it makes no sense to store it
in case the local maintainer changes the database password the value
is absolutely
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 04:17:11PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
Ah, k. It makes less/no sense to store that password.
But I wonder, is there no way to use the 'power' of the root account
to do such DB administration without password then?
in mysql, at least, there is. however, you have to
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 02:16:00AM +0100, Nicolas Boullis wrote:
if the package is removed, the init script should just exit with 0
status. removing the links during purge would also be appropriate.
So you think lintian is wrong to complain?
no, i think lintian is correct to complain, but
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 12:34:21AM +0100, Nicolas Boullis wrote:
But a user felt concerned that, in the future, he may remove the package
and forget to delete the links. Then I thought I could remove the links
in postrm on purge, considering they are part of the package's
configuration
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hi paul,
On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 12:09:38AM +1100, Paul Hampson wrote:
_Sweeet!_ What's the timeframe on seeing this? And any chance
of it making Sarge?
honestly, i think i'd rather not see it go into sarge, at least while
it's still half-finished and possibly buggy. of course i reserve
hey folks,
in the past year or so i've been spending a fair amount of time with
ldap. a while back, the thought occurred to me, why not put
the list of available packages in ldap?
so.. i did that. i found if you put a timestamp with the package on
its way way into the ldap tree, you could
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 12:03:27PM -0500, Simon Law wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 11:47:38AM -0500, sean finney wrote:
please, please treat this machine politely. it's my workstation and
i have no qualms with turning off slapd if it's getting in the
way :)
If you're using OpenLDAP
hi andreas,
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 10:32:50PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
More questions on your version 0.7:
- I asked in previous mail what to do for PostgreSQL support. While
having a quick view on the code I wonder if just using a variable
for the database server most of the
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 07:08:17PM -0500, Daniel Burrows wrote:
On Thursday 02 December 2004 11:47 am, sean finney wrote:
exponentially faster
How, exactly, is this exponentially faster? Is it guaranteed to run in
logarithmic time relative to a normal download?
Sorry to bug you
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 05:38:39PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
However, I'd be *highly* agitated if someone gave my daughter a
CD-ROM with *any* nudy cartoons.
Agreed.
then don't give your daughter sudo privileges on your debian machines,
and she can't install it! :)
sorry, couldn't
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On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 08:04:14AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
Why is the information given during package installation stored
persistently in the first place?
it's not stored persistently, that's why it's in /var/cache :)
sean
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hey all,
an update on this database common stuff:
- i've made a few alterations to the debconf templates and
pre-configuration outline based on both on and off-list feedback
- i've made some updates to the best practices web page, primarily
the build time and run time tools section.
- i've
hey martin,
On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 05:47:03PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
- The administrator has no place in /usr, it's the package
manager's domain.
- Tools keep MD5 sums for files installed. When a file in /usr
changes, it is usually an indication of something fishy; thus,
hi javier,
On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 05:05:18PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
- leave data after purge? - only ask during purge.
- back up database before upgrade? - only ask during upgrades. user should
be notified where to find backups and possibly how to restore.
and other '
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 05:19:47PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
1. I would set the default of the leave data after purge to true
and give it priority high.
i guess i had forgotten to update the page on this one (someone
else had requested this too). it should be updated now.
2. I am not
another update for those interested:
http://people.debian.org/~seanius/policy/dbapp-policy.html
deb http://people.debian.org/~seanius/policy/examples/ ./
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~seanius/policy/examples/ ./
i've incorporated many of the changes discussed in the related
d-d threads into
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:19:28AM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
[That should be http://people.debian.org/~seanius/policy/dbapp-policy.html,
BTW]
oops!
I'm missing some Best practice on how to setup the database itself. That
is, how to setup the tables (indexes, whatever...)
hey oliver,
On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 09:41:36PM +0100, Oliver Elphick wrote:
I attach a diff on the templates file, including questions for a
PostgreSQL installation..
thanks!
Bear in mind that users seeing these questions may not understand their
implications. Some of my additions are
hey all,
for those who weren't following the previous thread[1], i've come up with
a rough draft of a best practices document for database based
applications. i'd greatly appreciate input, especially from the current
maintainers of database-using or database-server applications. the draft
is
On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 11:16:09PM +0200, Agustin Martin wrote:
But for shared/* debconf templates this means that all packages using that
template need to be rebuilt against the new template-providing package
after every change in its template contents. I think that is better to
split the
On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 12:37:07PM -0600, Jeremy Nickurak wrote:
For what it's worth, hotplug recently had a similar issue on a test
install for me: it actually loaded both OSS and ALSA drivers for my
soundcard.
likewise for me. i've found that after a fresh debian install, one of
the first
On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 11:51:00AM +0200, Brian Sutherland wrote:
The package includes the template-package's templates at build
(debhelper style as suggested before).
Then up to date translations can be ensured by installing a
debconf-translation-templates meta package or templates package
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 11:40:30AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
Of course it is safe to distribute. What do you fear? That Broadcom
might sue you for distributing something that they have written and
released under the GPL, and actually have a case? They might as well
sue Debian because the
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:47:26AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
What do you mean by legally? Copyright infringement is a tort, and there
is no way they could win an infringement lawsuit against a distributor for
failing to redistribute the source for the blobs when they did not supply
it
On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 03:18:52PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:59:50 +0200, Christian Perrier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could *please* maintainers of packages interacting with RDBMS
establish a set of *common* debconf templates for prompting users ?
-Database user
hi christian,
On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 06:59:50AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
All such templates should probably go into a common set of debconf
templates, provided by a very small package, which all these packages
should depend upon, instead of constantly reinvent the wheeland
make
hi phillip,
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 03:38:59PM +0200, Philipp Matthias Hahn wrote:
What is consideres best practice when a package uses a SQL database
(mysql, postgresql) and needs to create its own catalog and/or tables?
this is a very good question, which has not been conclusively answered
i know this has been beaten to death, i really do. but i can't help it...
On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 01:24:00AM +0100, Gürkan Sengün wrote:
Description : cdplayer.app -- Small audio CD player for GNUstep
then why not gnustep-cdplayer? you don't see the gnome people doing
this with their
hi seo,
On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 10:54:59AM +0900, Seo Sanghyeon wrote:
Please rename planner to gnome-planner immediately.
Please rename netspeed to gnome-netspeed immediately.
i agree, though i am not the package maintainer :)
in fact, somebody has already recommended this for netspeed in a
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hi colin,
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 09:22:57PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 08:57:34PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 09:01:01PM +0100, Osamu Aoki wrote:
Many bags disapeared in my mozilla screen when I was looking at:
hi john,
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 03:07:00PM +, Bruno Rodrigues wrote:
Which doesn't support hyperthreading nor the network cards ?
nor the aacraid/aic7xxx scsi raid controllers, which really sucks
if that's where your hard disks are. but there are folks on the
net who've made netboot isos
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hey all,
so the kernel-patch-kdb package seems somewhat broken, at least on
my system. make-kpkg bails out when applying a patch to init/main.c,
unable to handle changes caused by the most recent changes to the
2.4.18-5 stable (as well as 2.4.19-5 testing) kernel packages, which
from their apt
On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 03:56:47PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote:
I think we should document this in the policy and force maintainers,
following this simple rule. When DEBIAN_FRONTEND value is Non-Interactive,
no question should interrupt the installation process. Really none.
yeah, i REALLY agree
On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 09:02:56PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
* Bastian Blank
| if the maintainers won't do that, we need a policy paragraph to force
| them.
Would a policy-proposal forcing packages to use debconf for user
interaction during installation get support?
i think it's a
On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 09:20:11PM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
if the maintainers won't do that, we need a policy paragraph to force
them.
No you need patches to help them.
well if the maintainer is too busy, i could try and figure this out
and send a patch. granted i'm not incredibly
On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 11:03:23PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
i think it's a little heavy handed to do so,
Why?
well, i should restate i guess. i agree it's the best thing to do.
but i would also image that it suddenly puts a lot more work on the
plates of many of the dd's, hence my
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 07:58:58AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, sean finney wrote:
the xserver-xfree86 package can check for these, and if they exist, before
I doubt this would help much. If I'm not missleaded the configure
script is called before the files of packages
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 12:03:31AM +, Scott James Remnant wrote:
These aren't included in the X window system task... Given that's how
most users (most notably the non-technical who would benefit from them)
install X - should these be added to that?
i agree. perhaps the X task should
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 12:06:32AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
good to know. i asked for tc to include the htb patch a long time ago.
i'll push it again. the problem is that we also need the kernel patch.
that's annoying, to say the least, makes the package almost useless...
i noticed when
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:25:09PM +0100, Jens Ruehmkorf wrote:
On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, sean finney wrote:
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 06:45:21PM -0500, Michael Stone wrote:
Can you detect smp from non-smp kernel?
i would guess not...
Just count the processors in /proc/cpuinfo, here
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 11:57:53AM -, Charles Garcia-Tobin wrote:
1. Install kernel-source-2.4.18-5 package
2. Uncompress and untar /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18-5.tar.bz2
3. Symbolic link /usr/src/linux -- kernel-source-2.4.18-5
4. cp kernel-config to /usr/src/linux/.config
yeah,
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 06:45:21PM -0500, Michael Stone wrote:
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 09:55:52AM +1100, Brian May wrote:
Ideally have some way for the user to override the default choice if
automatic selection fails...
Can you detect smp from non-smp kernel?
i would guess not...
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 08:21:41PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
I think, supporting (distributing) of non-free ist waste of bandwidth
and money... and the same for contrib...
i think the bandwidth taken and disk space taken up by non-free is
exceptionally small compared to main. i haven't
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 08:25:35PM +0100, Thomas Lange wrote:
Is there a script, that can automaticly determine the best or correct
name of the kernel-image that should be installed?
I think something with grep and sed from /proc/cpuinfo should write
k7, k6, 586tsc or someing else to stdout.
excuse me for voicing up here, but this seems like something that
didn't need to be sent to the entire debian-devel mailing list.
granted, i'm not even a developer, but i get the impression this is
more the result of you two not getting along and less having to do
with his ability to be a
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 12:46:20PM -0800, Vonsur Kcin wrote:
cpuid=sed -ne 's/^model name.*: //p' /proc/cpuinfo
just don't forget the backticks :)
case $cpuid in
AMD Athlon*)
echo k7
;;
snip
yeah, even simpler than i was thinking!
sean
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On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 01:25:23AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
There's a real complaint: confused users and developers think that 'non-free'
is part of the Debian distribution. How to solve this without slaying
non-free? Here are some ideas, in increasing degree of drasticness.
* Have
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 03:30:10AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
Well, the first (only!) time they will install apt/dpkg on a system is
during the dbootstrap in debian-installer. I'd object very strongly if
such a question were asked by d-i. Debconf is doable, but it'd have to
why would
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 03:52:16PM -0600, Oliver Xymoron wrote:
Then perhaps we could just s/(non-free|contrib)/non-debian/.
now that's a good idea. i think it would make a very clear
statement that the stuff was not part of the debian distribution,
allowing debian to call itself completely
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:54:29AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
Because I'd like to Debian be installable with much fewer questions,
and asking about if the user wants dialogs warning them of non-free is
not needed to install the system.
and i guess that's where we disagree. if i wanted
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:54:29AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
One way to explicitly turn them on --- which would not bug users who
don't want it --- would be to install a package. The package could work
similar to apt-listchanges.
oh yeah, i just remembered, check out the vrms package,
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 04:01:05PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| Good idea. We should add an 'apt-cache alternatives packagename' as
| well.
I've seen many «we should add X», while few people seem to actually do
what they suggest.
right, because we're brainstorming here :) if this were a
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