Hi Tom,
On Montag, 2. November 2009, Tom Feiner wrote:
Is /var/cache really such a bad option? I mean, the entire web content
is re-generated from templates graphs are re-generated from the rrd
databases every 5 minutes. So even if someone did delete the directory,
it'll just be recreated up
This one time, at band camp, Holger Levsen said:
Hi Tom,
On Montag, 2. November 2009, Tom Feiner wrote:
Is /var/cache really such a bad option? I mean, the entire web content
is re-generated from templates graphs are re-generated from the rrd
databases every 5 minutes. So even if
Hi,
On Mittwoch, 4. November 2009, Stephen Gran wrote:
_contents_ of /var/cache/munin, and I don't recall the FHS saying that
it expected applications to cope gracefully with the directory structure
being yanked out from under them by addled admins.
Right. (It only says apps have to cope
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote:
Hi Tom,
On Montag, 2. November 2009, Tom Feiner wrote:
Is /var/cache really such a bad option? I mean, the entire web content
is re-generated from templates graphs are re-generated from the rrd
databases every
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 05:51:26PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
/var/lib/munin/www is wrong (FHS says: Users must never need to modify files
in /var/lib to configure a package's operation. since users might want to
modify the css files)
IMHO that's not different from some user wanting to
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org writes:
As I mentioned on IRC, look at trac. The trick is put configuration
files in /etc/munin/, and symlink it back into /var/lib/munin if munin
needs that.
All munin needs is a place to write static html and png files.
* /var/lib/munin is already used
On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 01:30:37PM +0100, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote:
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org writes:
As I mentioned on IRC, look at trac. The trick is put configuration
files in /etc/munin/, and symlink it back into /var/lib/munin if munin
needs that.
All munin needs is
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen s...@debian.org
wrote:
All munin needs is a place to write static html and png files.
* /var/lib/munin is already used as top level for munin's data files.
If we add a web root there, it may cause collisions.
Right.
* /var/cache may
On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 02:27:16PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 01:30:37PM +0100, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote:
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org writes:
As I mentioned on IRC, look at trac. The trick is put configuration
files in /etc/munin/, and symlink it
Tom Feiner feiner@gmail.com writes:
Is /var/cache really such a bad option? I mean, the entire web content
is re-generated from templates graphs are re-generated from the rrd
databases every 5 minutes. So even if someone did delete the
directory, it'll just be recreated up to 5 minutes
Mike Hommey m...@glandium.org writes:
* /usr/share/munin.
Would not work well for variable data, I think. The graphs and HTML is
updated every 5 minutes.
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On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 02:48:56PM +0100, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote:
Should the web configuration be enabled by default? Assume apache2, and
add configuration to /etc/apache2/conf.d/munin.conf?
Have a read of
http://webapps-common.alioth.debian.org/draft/html/ch-httpd.html
Neil
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On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen s...@debian.org
wrote:
Tom Feiner feiner@gmail.com writes:
Is /var/cache really such a bad option? I mean, the entire web content
is re-generated from templates graphs are re-generated from the rrd
databases every 5 minutes. So even
Neil McGovern ne...@debian.org writes:
Have a read of
http://webapps-common.alioth.debian.org/draft/html/ch-httpd.html
Useful, thanks. :)
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Tom Feiner feiner@gmail.com writes:
Sorry for the newbie question (I'm not that familiar with debconf).
Will debconf be able to manage upgrade from current munin version?
Changing the current 'htmldir /var/www/munin' to the new user
specified one?
Debconf asks questions and stores them.
hi stig,
On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 02:48:56PM +0100, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote:
Tom Feiner feiner@gmail.com writes:
Is /var/cache really such a bad option? I mean, the entire web content
is re-generated from templates graphs are re-generated from the rrd
databases every 5 minutes.
This one time, at band camp, Tom Feiner said:
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen s...@debian.org
wrote:
Tom Feiner feiner@gmail.com writes:
Is /var/cache really such a bad option? I mean, the entire web content
is re-generated from templates graphs are
Hi,
On Mittwoch, 30. September 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote:
I'm still unconvinced by /srv personally - we've strived for years in
Debian to make things work as much as possible straight from initial
installation, yet now we're expected to deliberately leave services
unconfigured. I don't think
hi holger,
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 05:51:26PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
+1 from yet. Yet I still don't know how to configure munin, so that it works
out of the box (and so that the webpages it generates are served by a
webserver) and conforms to FHS like some people read it.
Hi sean,
On Samstag, 31. Oktober 2009, sean finney wrote:
if it's regenerable, then i'd say /var/cache/munin/something is the
right place, and if isn't /var/lib/munin/something. if you seperate
the things that the user might want to configure (css, etc), where's
the problem[1]?
that it's
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 06:46:42PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
On Samstag, 31. Oktober 2009, sean finney wrote:
if it's regenerable, then i'd say /var/cache/munin/something is the
right place, and if isn't /var/lib/munin/something. if you seperate
the things that the user might want to
On Sat, Oct 31 2009, Holger Levsen wrote:
Hi,
On Mittwoch, 30. September 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote:
I'm still unconvinced by /srv personally - we've strived for years in
Debian to make things work as much as possible straight from initial
installation, yet now we're expected to
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 06:46:42PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
On Samstag, 31. Oktober 2009, sean finney wrote:
if it's regenerable, then i'd say /var/cache/munin/something is the
right place, and if isn't /var/lib/munin/something. if you seperate
the things that the user might want to
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 04:15:42PM +0800, Holger Levsen wrote:
On Sonntag, 27. September 2009, sean finney wrote:
I personally do not believe that serving anything from a package via the
web by default is a good goal. Certainly for my systems, any system
that's running a web server
hi,
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:14:19AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
I believe most (or at least many) of those only support a single web
root. If you want to serve munin's static content from /usr/share/munin
and foo's static content from /usr/share/foo , you'll probably just
symlink both from
sean finney wrote:
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:14:19AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
I believe most (or at least many) of those only support a single web
root. If you want to serve munin's static content from /usr/share/munin
and foo's static content from /usr/share/foo , you'll probably just
On Sun, 2009-09-27 at 01:45 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org writes:
I think having munin working out-of-the-box is a very neat feature.
I think we need better support in the Apache package for adding particular
aliases and similar URL configuration into the
hi stig,
(sorry for the late reply)
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 09:23:17AM +0200, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote:
sean finney sean...@debian.org writes:
there is, it's called webapps-common[1]. unfortunately what *is*
missing is developers with time to put into maintaining it, which is
why
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 04:12:58PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
I think the real problem here is that we have some missing integration
glue. A lot of packages want to serve things out via the web by default
unless the sysadmin has indicated that they want control over the URL
space. Apache
sean finney sean...@debian.org writes:
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 04:12:58PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
I think the real problem here is that we have some missing integration
glue. A lot of packages want to serve things out via the web by
default unless the sysadmin has indicated that they want
]] Steve McIntyre
(Please respect my m-f-t, I read the list. :-)
| I'm still unconvinced by /srv personally - we've strived for years in
| Debian to make things work as much as possible straight from initial
| installation, yet now we're expected to deliberately leave services
| unconfigured. I
sean finney sean...@debian.org writes:
there is, it's called webapps-common[1]. unfortunately what *is*
missing is developers with time to put into maintaining it, which is
why it has not been uploaded or integrated with support for more httpd
services.
That looks useful. What can I do to
Tollef wrote:
I realise you've had good an constructive responses for webapps, so
commenting on /srv in particular:
As I read it, putting stuff there is absolutely not fine. It's even
more off-limits than /usr/local (where you can create directories, but
not remove them).
I'm still unconvinced
Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes:
I'm still unconvinced by /srv personally - we've strived for years in
Debian to make things work as much as possible straight from initial
installation, yet now we're expected to deliberately leave services
unconfigured. I don't think this is progress
Russ Allbery wrote:
Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes:
I'm still unconvinced by /srv personally - we've strived for years in
Debian to make things work as much as possible straight from initial
installation, yet now we're expected to deliberately leave services
unconfigured. I don't think
mli...@stacktrace.us mli...@stacktrace.us writes:
I personally prefer to keep files served by a webserver in /var/www/
Local sysadmins can of course use that path, but Debian packages aren't
allowed to according to the way most of us have read the FHS.
Debian web application packages should
Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org writes:
http://lintian.debian.org/tags/dir-or-file-in-var-www.html nor
debian-policy is helpful to resolve this issue - so I would like to
discuss this here and come up with a good solution.
Suggestions?
No package may touch /srv, but we could perhahs
Hi,
On Montag, 28. September 2009, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
I realise you've had good an constructive responses for webapps, so
commenting on /srv in particular:
As I read it, putting stuff there is absolutely not fine.
Where do you read this?
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:19:22PM +0800, Holger Levsen wrote:
As I read it, putting stuff there is absolutely not fine.
Where do you read this?
http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#FTN.AEN1192 explicitly
says: This is particularly important as these areas will often contain
]] Holger Levsen
| Hi,
|
| On Montag, 28. September 2009, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| I realise you've had good an constructive responses for webapps, so
| commenting on /srv in particular:
|
| As I read it, putting stuff there is absolutely not fine.
|
| Where do you read this?
|
|
Hi,
currently munin ships some file(s) in /var/www/munin/ and also puts its
generated graphs there. This location has been depracted and we, the munin
maintainers, would like to come up with a new location for squeeze.
The way I read
Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org writes:
currently munin ships some file(s) in /var/www/munin/ and also puts its
generated graphs there. This location has been depracted and we, the
munin maintainers, would like to come up with a new location for
squeeze.
The way I read
hi holger, russ,
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 12:36:43AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org writes:
currently munin ships some file(s) in /var/www/munin/ and also puts its
generated graphs there. This location has been depracted and we, the
munin maintainers, would
Hi Sean,
On Sonntag, 27. September 2009, sean finney wrote:
currently munin ships some file(s) in /var/www/munin/ and also puts its
generated graphs there. This location has been depracted and we, the
munin maintainers, would like to come up with a new location for
squeeze.
take a
Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org writes:
i would recommend similar, but with the modification that you use a
dedicated subdirectory (i.e. /usr/share/munin/site), so that you still
have /usr/share/munin for other uses as well.
Thats for read-only data only.
Right, you take the static data
]] Holger Levsen
| The way I read
|
http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM
| /srv/munin would be the proper location for our purpose, but I know that some
| people disagree, claiming that /srv is only to be used by the local admins.
|
| As I read
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