Herbert,
Are you aware that the enabling ECN in the 2.4.x kernels is
causing some heartache and isn't recommended in the kernel
docs. It is also a difficult problem to diagnose as some
sites work and others don't.
A number of large sites are uncontactable
(news-server.vic.bigpond.net.au,
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:21:36PM +1000, Mark Purcell wrote:
One of the comments on /. also states;
If you find ECN enabled in your distributor's 2.4.x kernel
package by default, please consider this a severe mistake on
your distributor's part.
That's the wrong solution. It prevents
Previously Herbert Xu wrote:
That's the wrong solution. It prevents people who want to use ECN from
using it. The correct solution is to disable it in /etc/sysctl.conf.
However, I just had a look, and sysctl.conf is in procps which isn't
essential. So we may need to move this functionality
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:28:22PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:21:36PM +1000, Mark Purcell wrote:
One of the comments on /. also states;
If you find ECN enabled in your distributor's 2.4.x kernel
package by default, please consider this a severe mistake on
Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Previously Herbert Xu wrote:
That's the wrong solution. It prevents people who want to use ECN from
using it. The correct solution is to disable it in /etc/sysctl.conf.
However, I just had a look, and sysctl.conf is in procps which isn't
essential.
Previously Daniel Stone wrote:
Why enable ECN at all, if all it effectively does is break stuff? AFAIK,
there's no systems out in the wild that actually use ECN to make a
difference. All that's happening is that peoples' systems are being broken.
Which is sub-optimal.
With that attitude we
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Herbert Xu wrote:
Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Previously Herbert Xu wrote:
That's the wrong solution. It prevents people who want to use ECN from
using it. The correct solution is to disable it in /etc/sysctl.conf.
However, I just had a look, and
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 02:13:49PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Does this functionality mean disabling ECN or sysctl.conf?
The former.
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On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:52:09PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Previously Daniel Stone wrote:
Why enable ECN at all, if all it effectively does is break stuff? AFAIK,
there's no systems out in the wild that actually use ECN to make a
difference. All that's happening is that peoples'
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:52:39PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Previously Herbert Xu wrote:
That's the wrong solution. It prevents people who want to use ECN from
using it. The correct solution is to disable it in /etc/sysctl.conf.
However, I just
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:52:39PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Previously Herbert Xu wrote:
That's the wrong solution. It prevents people who want to use ECN from
using it. The correct solution is to disable it in /etc/sysctl.conf.
However, I just
Previously Daniel Stone wrote:
No way should we be pushing ECN to the masses. It should stay in the domain
of people like DaveM, until routers get fixed.
The same DaveM who said he would enable ECN on vger to force
people who want to subscribe to lkml to fix their equipment?
Wichert.
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On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 10:16:30PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote:
It may be a minor catch-22, but ECN is currently so broken, that only power
users should be using it, as the rest will just continue flooding the
netfilter list with Netfilter breaks all my websites!. [OK, ECN isn't
broken, the
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 10:16:30PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote:
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:52:09PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Previously Daniel Stone wrote:
Why enable ECN at all, if all it effectively does is break stuff? AFAIK,
there's no systems out in the wild that actually use ECN
On Wednesday 25 April 2001 14:16, Daniel Stone wrote:
Why enable ECN at all, if all it effectively does is break stuff?
AFAIK, there's no systems out in the wild that actually use ECN to
make a difference. All that's happening is that peoples' systems are
being broken. Which is
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:52:09PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Previously Daniel Stone wrote:
Why enable ECN at all, if all it effectively does is break stuff? AFAIK,
there's no systems out in the wild that actually use ECN to make a
difference. All that's happening is that peoples'
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Ben Collins wrote:
If we left everything to you have to be smart enough, then let's just
leave out the entire linux kernel, most of the software in Debian, and
go for a minimum cygnus install. Let's just ditch all non-i386
architectures. Hell, let's get rid of everything
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:02:47AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Ben Collins wrote:
If we left everything to you have to be smart enough, then let's just
leave out the entire linux kernel, most of the software in Debian, and
go for a minimum cygnus install. Let's just
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:02:47AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
mkfs doesn't fry harddrives, it fries data on harddrives. However, using
wrong video settings can actually destroy certain monitors.
Would any of those monitors even work after you dug them up from the
bottom of the dusty parts
Quoting Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Why enable ECN at all, if all it effectively does is break stuff? AFAIK,
there's no systems out in the wild that actually use ECN to make a
difference. All that's happening is that peoples' systems are being
broken.
Which is sub-optimal.
I would have
Quoting Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[OK, ECN isn't
broken, the routers are, I know, but same effect. ECN breaks stuff].
No, you still are incorrect. The routers are already broken. Use of
ECN merely exhibits evidence of the colossal brain-damage in the routers.
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 05:12:48PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote:
No. ECN should be compiled in to all kernels! The issue is whether the
sysctl is set to enable it by default or not.
I think that we should all be using ECN and reporting the bugs to the people
who run the broken routers.
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 11:48:22AM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote:
Quoting Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Why enable ECN at all, if all it effectively does is break stuff? AFAIK,
there's no systems out in the wild that actually use ECN to make a
difference. All that's happening is that
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 11:53:20AM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote:
Quoting Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[OK, ECN isn't
broken, the routers are, I know, but same effect. ECN breaks stuff].
No, you still are incorrect. The routers are already broken. Use of
ECN merely exhibits evidence of
On Wednesday 25 April 2001 21:49, Daniel Stone wrote:
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 05:12:48PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote:
No. ECN should be compiled in to all kernels! The issue is whether the
sysctl is set to enable it by default or not.
I think that we should all be using ECN and reporting
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:53:13PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote:
On Wednesday 25 April 2001 21:49, Daniel Stone wrote:
True, but often very little, if anything, gets done. about it; seeing as
it's just a very small percentage of Linux users. A lot of people are in
the production mentality,
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 05:52:10AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote:
Yes, I know this. The bits are officially reserved in the RFC. Some people
took this to mean, must be zero.
This reminds me of my favourite quote from RFC2795:
The Version, Sequence Number, Protocol Number, and Reserved fields
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 02:55:36PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Previously Daniel Stone wrote:
No way should we be pushing ECN to the masses. It should stay in the domain
of people like DaveM, until routers get fixed.
The same DaveM who said he would enable ECN on vger to force
people
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 10:05:03AM -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 10:16:30PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote:
It may be a minor catch-22, but ECN is currently so broken, that only power
users should be using it, as the rest will just continue flooding the
netfilter list with
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 05:52:53AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote:
ECN trips broken stuff. Happy now, Oh Mighty
Pedant? :)
You could say the same thing about Debian. It can be incompatible with
broken brains warped by certain other OS's...
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