Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-15 Thread Frank Küster
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 05:35:35PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seconds, since when do we consider the GPL to be viral? Don't know about you, but the FSF does - it has created the LGPL because of this.

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-12 Thread Miles Bader
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just because something is also political statement doesn't make it evil or wrong. Yup. I think it's rather rude to respond to an ITP by publicly questioning the choice of license (as long as it's a valid license for Debian). -Miles -- I'm beginning to

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-12 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Miles Bader [Fri, May 12 2006, 03:08:47PM]: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just because something is also political statement doesn't make it evil or wrong. Yup. I think it's rather rude to respond to an ITP by publicly questioning the choice of license (as

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.12.0758 +0200]: This means that you need to either license your work under the GPL, or a license which is compatible with the GPL. [It also means that you'll need to provide your source code, but one would hope you were going to do that

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 05:35:35PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seconds, since when do we consider the GPL to be viral? Don't know about you, but the FSF does - it has created the LGPL because of this. Actually, they don't. They consider the GPL a

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-12 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060512 09:50]: also sprach Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.12.0758 +0200]: This means that you need to either license your work under the GPL, or a license which is compatible with the GPL. [It also means that you'll need to provide your source

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Bernhard R. Link [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.12.1254 +0200]: So cxxtools authors should allow you to use their code in your application even if they are not allowed to use your code in theirs? This is of course no unreasonable petition, but I suggest noone to fullfil it without

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-12 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 12:35:50PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 05:35:35PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seconds, since when do we consider the GPL to be viral? Don't know about you, but the FSF does - it has created the LGPL

Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-11 Thread Kari Pahula
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Kari Pahula [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: cxxtools Version : 1.4.1pre2 Upstream Author : Tommi Mäkitalo [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.tntnet.org/ * License : GPL v2 or later Programming Lang: C++

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-11 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Kari Pahula [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.11.1535 +0200]: * License : GPL v2 or later That will make it pretty useless for non-GPL applications. Why don't you choose (if possible) a less viral licence? -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`.

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-11 Thread Michael Banck
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 04:46:22PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Kari Pahula [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.11.1535 +0200]: * License : GPL v2 or later That will make it pretty useless for non-GPL applications. Non-GPL compatible applications, you mean? Why don't you

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-11 Thread Frank Küster
Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 04:46:22PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Kari Pahula [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.11.1535 +0200]: * License : GPL v2 or later That will make it pretty useless for non-GPL applications. Non-GPL compatible

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-11 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Frank Küster wrote: Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 04:46:22PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Kari Pahula [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.11.1535 +0200]: * License : GPL v2 or later That will make it pretty useless for non-GPL

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-11 Thread Frank Küster
Simon Josefsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 04:46:22PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Kari Pahula [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.11.1535 +0200]: * License : GPL v2 or later

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-11 Thread Simon Josefsson
Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 04:46:22PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Kari Pahula [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.11.1535 +0200]: * License : GPL v2 or later That will make it pretty useless for

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-11 Thread Frank Küster
Simon Josefsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That will make it pretty useless for non-GPL applications. [...] As a derived work of a GPL'd work, the aggregate is covered by the GPL license. So the aggregate, in other words the *application* would be a GPL-application, right? Which makes the

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-11 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Frank Küster wrote: Simon Josefsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 04:46:22PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Kari Pahula [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.11.1535 +0200]: * License

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-11 Thread Simon Josefsson
Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Simon Josefsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 04:46:22PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Kari Pahula [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.11.1535 +0200]:

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-11 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.11.1702 +0200]: That will make it pretty useless for non-GPL applications. Non-GPL compatible applications, you mean? Yeah well. IMHO that pretty much excludes all sensible licences. Why don't you choose (if possible) a less viral

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-11 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 11 mai 2006 à 16:46 +0200, martin f krafft a écrit : also sprach Kari Pahula [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.11.1535 +0200]: * License : GPL v2 or later That will make it pretty useless for non-GPL applications. Why don't you choose (if possible) a less viral licence? I think

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-11 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.11.2219 +0200]: I think this is the whole point of licensing a library under the GPL. For me the point of a library is code reuse. Putting a library under the GPL is more of a political statement. There's not much point in using a

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-11 Thread Ben Burton
Wow. First off, Kari does not appear to be upstream, so who are you addressing? Him. I think he's in the better position to talk to upstream about it. Or in fact not make the package. Oh, come on. It's the author's perogative as to how the work is licensed, and since it adheres to the

Re: Bug#366834: ITP: cxxtools -- library of unrelated, but useful C++ classes

2006-05-11 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 11 May 2006, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.11.2219 +0200]: I think this is the whole point of licensing a library under the GPL. For me the point of a library is code reuse. Putting a library under the GPL is more of a political