Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style

2003-08-29 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 09:16:04PM +1000, Brian May wrote: Of course there are downsides either way, but there is no dispute that the size of the Debian archive is huge, and mirrors are struggling to keep up as a result. Is this so? I havent seen reports in this area for a while. Greetings

Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style

2003-08-28 Thread Tom Badran
On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 03:29, Diego Calleja García wrote: Optimised binaries wont run slower than non-optimised binaries. This simply isnt true. I have some code that takes a serious performance hit when any sort of loop unrolling is used (pentium III systems) as the instruction cache is too

Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style

2003-08-28 Thread Brian May
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 04:29:09AM +0200, Diego Calleja Garc?a wrote: Take into account the time you waste compiling. What do you want to pay, bandwith or CPU usage? The answer isn't the same for everybody... (if we want to touch perfection) Consider the amount of resources mirrors could save

Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style

2003-08-28 Thread Andreas Barth
* Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030828 13:05]: Actually Debian does not support i386 anymore for compatibility reasons with other linux distriibutions. You canget the basics running but anything that uses c++ will fail. And whats Debian without apt? The debian kernels support i486

Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style

2003-08-28 Thread Joey Hess
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Best would be if you could easily select the additional features compiled in, like jpeg support. You select gimp and it sees no libjpeg. It suggests libjpeg and one has the choice. If libjpeg is then installed all packages that can use libjpeg will also pop up

Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style

2003-08-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Diego Calleja =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Garc=EDa?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: El Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:22:28 +1000 Glenn McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Source based distro's are more bandwidth friendly as the source can be reused to produce new revisions of existing packages. As a developer i

Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style

2003-08-27 Thread Martin Schulze
Chris de Vidal wrote: Volunteers needed! http://debtoo.org I guess you haven't read Benchmarking Debian's Performance. Indranath Neogy tried to [35]discover what kind of gains the source based nature of Gentoo might give it over Debian and Mandrake. The tests included timing how long it took

Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style

2003-08-27 Thread Glenn McGrath
Some comments Source code is more important than binaries, that we should all agree on. Fixing bugs that such a project uncovers makes Free software more robusts and is good for the community. Source based distro's are more bandwidth friendly as the source can be reused to produce new

Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style

2003-08-27 Thread Halil Demirezen
Debian is caching debs rather than targzs. What i got from here, if the argument is on deciding on whether project shold cache-old the source code tarballs rather then binaries - i got debs from here as binary , because i did not come accross other binaries cached in the system - , I cannot see

Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style

2003-08-27 Thread Peter Makholm
Glenn McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Optimised binaries wont run slower than non-optimised binaries. It actually does happen. One reason can be loop-unrolling and cache-sizes. -- Peter Makholm |'Cause suicide is painless [EMAIL PROTECTED] |

Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style

2003-08-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 10:22:28PM +1000, Glenn McGrath wrote: Source based distro's are more bandwidth friendly as the source can be reused to produce new revisions of existing packages. This is only true in cases where you get more than one Debian revision out of a given upstream release of

Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style

2003-08-27 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 01:14:41PM -0700, Chris de Vidal wrote: Volunteers needed! http://debtoo.org You get Debian's benefits, like their stellar package management, with *completely* optional optimization. I would be interested in a source-based system that is focused on convenience

Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style

2003-08-27 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andrew Pimlott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 01:14:41PM -0700, Chris de Vidal wrote: Volunteers needed! http://debtoo.org You get Debian's benefits, like their stellar package management, with *completely* optional optimization. I would be interested in a

Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style

2003-08-27 Thread Diego Calleja Garca
El Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:22:28 +1000 Glenn McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Source based distro's are more bandwidth friendly as the source can be reused to produce new revisions of existing packages. As a developer i would _much_ rather have a cache of old source code than a cache of

DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style

2003-08-26 Thread Chris de Vidal
Volunteers needed! http://debtoo.org = /dev/idal GNU/Linux is free freedom --Me __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style

2003-08-26 Thread Diego Calleja Garca
El Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Chris de Vidal [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Volunteers needed! http://debtoo.org are you going to implement a USE flag equivalent? (note: I don't like USE a lot)