On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 09:55:57PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Carlos Laviola wrote:
IIS server because we were given money. I believe principles are more
important than money.
So spend your time writing the scripts.
I will.
--
Carlos Laviola
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 09:15:24PM -0300, Carlos Laviola wrote:
No. This is directed at the people who would mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
mesages like Go home proprietary l0s0rz! j00 are l4m3! Debian doesn't
need you! Signed, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, it seems to me like you're implying
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 04:01:46PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 15:03, Martin Schulze wrote:
Joe Drew wrote:
Let me re-iterate this for people who might not have gotten the message:
LINDOWS.COM HAS SPENT REAL MONEY ON DEBCONF 2 AND DESERVES SUPPORT, NOT
SCORN.
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Carlos Laviola wrote:
IIS server because we were given money. I believe principles are more
important than money.
So spend your time writing the scripts.
--
One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
them all and in the darkness grind them.
I promised myself that I wouldn't get into this any more, but it seems
that people still aren't understanding...
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 20:15, Carlos Laviola wrote:
Well, it seems to me like you're implying there would be
[EMAIL PROTECTED] that would be so lame that they would not know the
Joe Drew wrote:
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 15:30, Martin Schulze wrote:
However, I still cannot find a request for help with setting up a
registration site/form on this list, neither including nor excluding
specs, searching from November 2001 until now.
You were looking in the wrong spot.
Jeroen Dekkers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Of course it's nice of them that they help, but I still think it's
wrong that the registration page is hosted on a server with non-free
software and with a link to a site trying to sell non-free
products. Certainly because we can make the registration
On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 02:44, Martin Schulze wrote:
Since I had to use grep to find it in the mail, it was well hidden
and I don't consider this a proper call for help like done by other
people who actively seek for help and receive them. Personally, I
don't wonder why only two people
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 06:30:29AM -0400, Joe Drew wrote:
Two quotes come to mind:
[...]
You left out my favourite :)
Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself.
- A. H. Weller, according to the first google hit.
Richard Braakman
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To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 03:03:14AM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 07:30:48PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 17:54, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
The thing I want say is: Debian is about free software, IMHO we should
not have such a prominent sponser
Joe Drew wrote:
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 15:09, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
I don't *like* the registration page being hosted on IIS. But I prefer a
registration page to no registration page at all.
Is it that difficult to make a registration page with free software?
To the best of my
Colin Walters wrote:
It's also probably worth pointing out, as you seem to see yourself as
the Dutch RMS, that the Free Software Foundation also accepts
donations from proprietary software companies:
http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2002supporters.html
This is a bogus argument. The Debian
Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Sun, 7 Apr 2002 10:54:06 +0200:
You may not aware of the discussion we had last year, when VMware
offered to donate five (or another amount, not sure anymore) licenses
of their vmware product to Debian in order to help us develop
boot-floppies.
Just wondering,
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 04:12:16AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote:
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 03:03:14AM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
We should not advertise directly or indirectly non-free software.
Er, we _host_ non-free software on our servers, and distribute it via
our mirror network. If
This one time, at band camp, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
IMHO the non-free section should be removed.
IMHO you should write less email and fix more bugs.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg
Commander Taco
wastes our time with these dumb polls
but we keep
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 04:54, Martin Schulze wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, no. But I didn't have time to learn how and
do it, and Lindows.com decided that they wanted to pay one of their
engineers to do it. It's quite simple: nobody else did it, so I took
Lindows.com up on their
Wilmer van der Gaast wrote:
Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Sun, 7 Apr 2002 10:54:06 +0200:
You may not aware of the discussion we had last year, when VMware
offered to donate five (or another amount, not sure anymore) licenses
of their vmware product to Debian in order to help us develop
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15 O Apr 06 Martin Schulze 81 Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration
16 O Apr 06 Joe Drew55 +-
17 O Apr 06 Sean 'Shaleh' Per 14 +-
18 O Apr 06 Martin Schulze 26 +-
19 O Apr 06 Joe Drew28 | +-
20 Os Apr 06 Jeroen Dekkers 70
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 15:30, Martin Schulze wrote:
However, I still cannot find a request for help with setting up a
registration site/form on this list, neither including nor excluding
specs, searching from November 2001 until now.
You were looking in the wrong spot. Check Message-Id:
[EMAIL
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 01:53:07PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
IMHO the non-free section should be removed.
Well, go for it. In the meantime, stop antagonizing people who do nice
things for us.
--
Richard Braakman
I sense a disturbance in the force
As though millions of voices cried out, and
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 07:30:48PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
It's also probably worth pointing out, as you seem to see yourself as
the Dutch RMS, that the Free Software Foundation also accepts
donations from proprietary software companies:
http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2002supporters.html
Joe Drew wrote:
The 2nd Annual Debian Conference registration page is now available at
http://lindows.com/debconf2 . Thanks go to Lindows.com for hosting the
web page and all their gracious help.
I'm somewhat puzzled:
luonnotar!joey(ttyp2):~ HEAD lindows.com
200 OK
Connection: close
Date:
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 13:39, Martin Schulze wrote:
Joe Drew wrote:
The 2nd Annual Debian Conference registration page is now available at
http://lindows.com/debconf2 . Thanks go to Lindows.com for hosting the
web page and all their gracious help.
[...] queso reports
a non-free operating
It'd be a very, very bad idea for anybody to start doing or saying
anything non-constructive to Lindows.com. They as a company, and every
person I've dealt with through Lindows.com, employee or otherwise, have
been nothing but corteous and helpful, and have helped make Debconf 2 a
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:39:21PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
Submit to http://net2.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/debconf2/index.html
If I get this right, then registration for the Debian Conference,
to a conference run by Free Software bigots, goes through heavily
non-free and proprietary
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 02:02:08PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 13:39, Martin Schulze wrote:
Form submission goes to:
Submit to http://net2.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/debconf2/index.html
If I get this right, then registration for the Debian Conference,
to a conference run
Joe Drew wrote:
Let me re-iterate this for people who might not have gotten the message:
LINDOWS.COM HAS SPENT REAL MONEY ON DEBCONF 2 AND DESERVES SUPPORT, NOT
SCORN.
While I don't want to squeze lindows support, I have to interpret
this statement like Joey, shut up! Somebody has spent
Josip Rodin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:39:21PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
Submit to http://net2.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/debconf2/index.html
If I get this right, then registration for the Debian Conference,
to a conference run by Free Software bigots, goes through heavily
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:39:21PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
I'm somewhat puzzled:
Server: Microsoft-IIS/4.0
Form submission goes to:
Submit to http://net2.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/debconf2/index.html
If I get this right, then registration for the Debian Conference,
to a conference run
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 15:03, Martin Schulze wrote:
Joe Drew wrote:
Let me re-iterate this for people who might not have gotten the message:
LINDOWS.COM HAS SPENT REAL MONEY ON DEBCONF 2 AND DESERVES SUPPORT, NOT
SCORN.
While I don't want to squeze lindows support, I have to interpret
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 15:09, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
I don't *like* the registration page being hosted on IIS. But I prefer a
registration page to no registration page at all.
Is it that difficult to make a registration page with free software?
To the best of my knowledge, no. But I didn't
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 05:25:10PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 15:09, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
I don't *like* the registration page being hosted on IIS. But I prefer a
registration page to no registration page at all.
Is it that difficult to make a registration page with
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 12:54:32AM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
Why should we refuse? Lindows.com came to us, not the other way around.
Because it's a proprietary software company?
Hey, I heard that some of our machines got donated by
proprietary software/hardware companies! So lets cut off
* Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
It subverts my principles (and probably also others). The fact that
the company itself is probably also going to distribute non-free
software also subverts my principles.
The thing I want say is: Debian is about free software, IMHO we should
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 12:17:46AM +0100, Thom May wrote:
* Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
It subverts my principles (and probably also others). The fact that
the company itself is probably also going to distribute non-free
software also subverts my principles.
The thing
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 18:59, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
The keyword here is prominent.
Yes, it is.
The
Debian servers don't run non-free software provided by HP and/OR
Sun. The debconf2 registration page is hosted on a server with
non-free software and has a link to a website with a non-free
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 17:54, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
The thing I want say is: Debian is about free software, IMHO we should
not have such a prominent sponser promoting non-free
software. Especially as we probably don't need it.
Jeroen, please calm down. I admit that while the registration page
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 07:30:21PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 18:59, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
The keyword here is prominent.
Yes, it is.
The
Debian servers don't run non-free software provided by HP and/OR
Sun. The debconf2 registration page is hosted on a server with
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 07:30:48PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 17:54, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
The thing I want say is: Debian is about free software, IMHO we should
not have such a prominent sponser promoting non-free
software. Especially as we probably don't need it.
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 03:03:14AM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
We should not advertise directly or indirectly non-free software.
Er, we _host_ non-free software on our servers, and distribute it via
our mirror network. If you want to go on a crusade, then there are
targets closer to home.
[ Please don't CC me, I read this list ]
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 20:03, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
We should not advertise directly or indirectly non-free software. I
don't say we should refuse their sponsership totally, but if they
provide hosting on non-free software I think that is a valid reason
On Apr 07, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
It subverts my principles (and probably also others). The fact that
the company itself is probably also going to distribute non-free
software also subverts my principles.
The thing I want say is: Debian is about free software, IMHO we should
not have such a
Martin Schulze wrote:
If I get this right, then registration for the Debian Conference,
to a conference run by Free Software bigots, goes through heavily
non-free and proprietary software that we are not even allowed to
place in our non-free section outside of our distribution.
Received:
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 02:51:23AM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 07:30:21PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 18:59, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
The keyword here is prominent.
Yes, it is.
The
Debian servers don't run non-free software provided by HP
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