Re: Guile language support in make

2014-05-14 Thread Ian Jackson
Steve McIntyre writes (Re: Guile language support in make): Russ Allbery wrote: I think building two separate binaries makes more sense than adding Guile support by default for all the reasons you stated. We do similar things with Emacs, which has a -nox version to avoid pulling in tons of X

Re: Guile language support in make

2014-05-14 Thread Ian Jackson
Manoj Srivastava writes (Re: Guile language support in make): Well, I was thinking of build profiles for that. (Lesson for me: read the whole thread first.) I know I can't do that until Jess is released and dpkg 1.17.2 is in stable. Is it acceptable to put off providing

Re: Guile language support in make

2014-05-14 Thread Guillem Jover
On Wed, 2014-05-14 at 13:20:32 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: (It's a shame that the dpkg developers didn't adopt my suggestion of [ ] for build-profiles, because that would have been backward-compatible with old tools.) One of the reasons [0] it was not adopted was precisely because it is not

Re: Guile language support in make

2014-05-14 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 01:16:05PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: Steve McIntyre writes (Re: Guile language support in make): Russ Allbery wrote: I think building two separate binaries makes more sense than adding Guile support by default for all the reasons you stated. We do similar things

Re: Guile language support in make

2014-05-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, May 14 2014, Ian Jackson wrote: I know I can't do that until Jess is released and dpkg 1.17.2 is in stable. Is it acceptable to put off providing a guile-enabled make.deb until jessie+1 ? Talking to various people I was convinced I was overthinking this, and as

Re: Guile language support in make

2014-05-14 Thread Wookey
+++ Manoj Srivastava [2014-05-10 23:00 -0700]: #secure method=pgpmime mode=sign On Sun, May 11 2014, Steve McIntyre wrote: Thinking about the poor people trying to bootstrap things, I'm tempted to suggest doing this as two separate source packages. Make is *so* far down the bottom of

Re: Guile language support in make

2014-05-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Wookey wrote: I'm not quite sure who actually controls these things That would be the stable release team, the processes for uploads to stable are documented here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.html#upload-stable -- bye, pabs

Re: Guile language support in make

2014-05-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, May 11 2014, Marco d'Itri wrote: I do this for the inn2 package and it has worked well for years. Another (much simpler) example is kmod, which build a deb and a udeb. If ./configure is not buggy and works when called from a build directory then building two binary packages from the

Re: Guile language support in make

2014-05-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign On Sun, May 11 2014, Steve McIntyre wrote: Thinking about the poor people trying to bootstrap things, I'm tempted to suggest doing this as two separate source packages. Make is *so* far down the bottom of the stack that adding a dependency on another language

Re: Guile language support in make

2014-05-11 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 06:38:15PM -0700, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I would like to solicit the opinion of the developers about the value of adding Guile support to the default make package, at the expense of two smallish additional dependencies.

Re: Guile language support in make

2014-05-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 11, Manoj Srivastava sriva...@ieee.org wrote: Building two binary packages from a single source seems hackish, since make and make-guile would require ./configure to be run again, and each target of the ./debin/rules might need cleanup/restart. Not unsolvable, but messy,

Guile language support in make

2014-05-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, I have two constituencies here; people who would like to see guile support in make, and to explore the new features. And people who expect a sensibly small set of packages essential to building other packages in Debin. Without guile suport, make just depends on libc, and

Re: Guile language support in make

2014-05-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@ieee.org writes: Building two binary packages from a single source seems hackish, since make and make-guile would require ./configure to be run again, and each target of the ./debin/rules might need cleanup/restart. Not unsolvable, but messy, and I do not

Re: Guile language support in make

2014-05-10 Thread Steve McIntyre
Russ Allbery wrote: Manoj Srivastava sriva...@ieee.org writes: Building two binary packages from a single source seems hackish, since make and make-guile would require ./configure to be run again, and each target of the ./debin/rules might need cleanup/restart. Not unsolvable, but

Re: Guile language support in make

2014-05-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2014-05-11 at 03:28 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Russ Allbery wrote: Manoj Srivastava sriva...@ieee.org writes: Building two binary packages from a single source seems hackish, since make and make-guile would require ./configure to be run again, and each target of the

Re: Guile language support in make

2014-05-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: Thinking about the poor people trying to bootstrap things, I'm tempted to suggest doing this as two separate source packages. Make is *so* far down the bottom of the stack that adding a dependency on another language could cause significant problems.