Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-19 Thread Christoph Lameter
I dont know if I already said this but exim does not support bangpaths but domainized uucp is no problem. On 14 Jun 1997, John Goerzen wrote: Christoph Lameter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It might be good if we would replace smail in hamm with exim. Exim should be the standard mailer for

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-18 Thread Rob Browning
Chris Fearnley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I might speculate on my winning sendmail configuration strategy: ignore the irrelevant (like rule sets). Say you have three users who have accounts on your system, but their primary accounts are elsewhere. Now you want their email headers to be

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-18 Thread ghughes
On Jun 18, Rob Browning wrote Say you have three users who have accounts on your system, but their primary accounts are elsewhere. Now you want their email headers to be rewritten by *sendmail* to appear to come from their other provider so that it will be correct no matter what email client

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-17 Thread Tim Cutts
On 16 Jun 1997, Kai Henningsen wrote: I meant the possibility for a customer to request the ISP exim to reject any mail that comes from, say, savetrees.com. You know, what AOL does, except I want individual customers to be able to configure individual lists. I don't think that is

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-17 Thread Chris Fearnley
'Tim Cutts wrote:' On 14 Jun 1997, John Goerzen wrote: Christoph Lameter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It might be good if we would replace smail in hamm with exim. Exim should be the standard mailer for hamm: Exim doesn't provide UUCP capabilities *at all*, thus it is rather useless for

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-17 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Cutts) wrote on 17.06.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 16 Jun 1997, Kai Henningsen wrote: I meant the possibility for a customer to request the ISP exim to reject any mail that comes from, say, savetrees.com. You know, what AOL does, except I want individual customers

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-16 Thread Christoph Lameter
Exim can provide UUCP capabilities. It cannot do bang path routing. I doubt that anyone is using that though. -- From: John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Christoph Lameter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-devel@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard? Date: Saturday, June 14

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-16 Thread Tim Cutts
On 16 Jun 1997, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: Ofcourse there also needs to be a file (LocalIP with sendmail) to define IP ranges that may use your SMTP host as a relay - for customers that use your host as smarthost (Eudora, pegasus, netscape, sendmail null clients etc). Well, exim certainly

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-16 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Miquel van Smoorenburg) wrote on 16.06.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kai Henningsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [exim] I also hope to figure out how to get exim to have a customer-configurable spam block when acting as MX for those customers - I

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-15 Thread John Goerzen
Christoph Lameter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It might be good if we would replace smail in hamm with exim. Exim should be the standard mailer for hamm: Exim doesn't provide UUCP capabilities *at all*, thus it is rather useless for sites that use UUCP (like me). Right now, I am using

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-15 Thread Christian Hudon
On Jun 14, John Goerzen wrote Christoph Lameter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It might be good if we would replace smail in hamm with exim. Exim should be the standard mailer for hamm: Exim doesn't provide UUCP capabilities *at all*, thus it is rather useless for sites that use UUCP

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-15 Thread Christian Hudon
On Jun 14, Mark Baker wrote In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Heiko Schlittermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : It might be good if we would replace smail in hamm with exim. Exim should : be the standard mailer for hamm: ... hmmm, ``never change a running system'', and smail _is_

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-15 Thread Tim Cutts
On 14 Jun 1997, John Goerzen wrote: Christoph Lameter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It might be good if we would replace smail in hamm with exim. Exim should be the standard mailer for hamm: Exim doesn't provide UUCP capabilities *at all*, thus it is rather useless for sites that use

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-15 Thread Tim Cutts
On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Christian Hudon wrote: To make this clearer, the only thing that would happen it that exim would be marked with priority 'important' and smail with priority 'extra'.. And yes, I think it'd be a good idea, assuming that exim's .forward syntax is backward-compatible with

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-15 Thread Mark Baker
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christian Hudon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And yes, I think it'd be a good idea, assuming that exim's .forward syntax is backward-compatible with sendmail/smail's syntax. Yes and no. Exim will understand ones from sendmail or smail; obviously once you

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-15 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Hands) wrote on 15.06.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Exim doesn't provide UUCP capabilities *at all*, thus it is rather useless for sites that use UUCP (like me). I expect that you will admit that UUCP sites are a minority. I use UUCP, I don't know about him, but I

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-15 Thread David Frey
On Sun, Jun 15 1997 11:20 BST Philip Hands writes: Exim doesn't provide UUCP capabilities *at all*, thus it is rather useless for sites that use UUCP (like me). I expect that you will admit that UUCP sites are a minority. I use UUCP, but I don't think that the majority of users

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-15 Thread Mark Baker
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Frey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: exim should be able to parse simple bang-paths IMO (host!user), since most UUCP paths It can read them with rewriting; it can't rewrite them but you could probably use a perl script or something to generate them on

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-15 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kai Henningsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [exim] I also hope to figure out how to get exim to have a customer-configurable spam block when acting as MX for those customers - I think they'll like that very much, and it sure looks as if that should be possible. Oh

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-15 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Frey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As several people already pointed out, the phone costs in Europe are rather high; so that people like to use the transfer agent with the shortest connection duration, which is doubtless UUCP. But this requires an MTA which is

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, SirDibos wrote: I second the motion. Smail has been nothing but a headache for me. I was *so* releived to get fetchpop working, so that I could bypass the need to pass my mail thru port 25 on my own machine for delivery. pine +

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Philip Hands
Both qmail (which proved insecure most evil grin) To what are you referring ? Probably what was reported on the djb-qmail mailing list, where you start sending data, but no CR-LF, down the line and qmail malloc's some memory for it, then malloc's some more, and some more, etc. I

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Mark Baker
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Santiago Vila Doncel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW: There will be a completely GPLed procmail in hamm soon. Could we make it the standard MDA as well? :-) [ Red-Hat *already* does this ] Not if we adopt exim as the standard MTA: although exim works very

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Mark Baker
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christoph Lameter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It might be good if we would replace smail in hamm with exim. I agree entirely. Though we should keep smail for people who use smail elsewhere and don't want to switch. - Exim is scalable from running from inetd

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Christoph Lameter
Sourcecode is available for chos and it has been GPLed by the author after several people talked with him (among them me on behalf of Debian). On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, SirDibos wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, SirDibos wrote: Also we might think about replacing lilo with chos as the standard boot

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Koch) wrote on 13.06.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Philip Hands ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Qmail is most definitely capable of UUCP (I use it here), and AFAIK bang paths can be done with rmail. With what addition? Last time I really tried it, it was only working

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Carey Evans
Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me remind you of one thing... Both qmail (which proved insecure most evil grin) To what are you referring ? Probably what was reported on the djb-qmail mailing list, where you start sending data, but no CR-LF, down the line and qmail malloc's

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Christoph Lameter
On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, SirDibos wrote: speaking of which. if I packaged up fetchpop, could it get included in debian? I much prefer it to fetchmail. if only fetchmail had a -o or a localfolder option! Also, fetchpop guides you thru creation of the appropriate config file the first time you run

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Baker) wrote on 13.06.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Both qmail (which proved insecure most evil grin) and Exim are not capable of UUCP or even bang paths! So a lot of those guys in countries

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread SirDibos
I second the motion. Smail has been nothing but a headache for me. I was *so* releived to get fetchpop working, so that I could bypass the need to pass my mail thru port 25 on my own machine for delivery. pine + fetchpop + procmail serves all my email needs. (Im not up 24/7, so its ok ;))

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Philip Hands
Let me remind you of one thing... Both qmail (which proved insecure most evil grin) To what are you referring ? and Exim are not capable of UUCP or even bang paths! Qmail is most definitely capable of UUCP (I use it here), and AFAIK bang paths can be done with rmail. So a lot of those

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread SirDibos
On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, SirDibos wrote: Also we might think about replacing lilo with chos as the standard boot loader from harddisk. lilo always is a difficulty for newbies, chos offers: Sounds good to me. I am an advocate of many solutions I hate to see any software get dropped

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Helmut Geyer
Christoph Lameter: Also we might think about replacing lilo with chos as the standard boot loader from harddisk. lilo always is a difficulty for newbies, chos offers: - Menudriven Boot Loader (Cryptic Prompt only on demand) - Highly Customizable Color Menus. - Simple configuration in

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Christoph Lameter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sourcecode is available for chos and it has been GPLed by the author after several people talked with him (among them me on behalf of Debian). Hooray! Is the GPL-ed version and its source in a Debian package yet? Thanks Bruce --

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Joey Hess
SirDibos: Whoa, hold on. Apparently, source code isnt available for chos. So, I take my words back. By all means, lets keep it in the distribution, but by no means let it be the primary boot loader. Actually, they're still both in there, and I still maintain wordplay, though I don't even

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christoph Lameter) wrote on 12.06.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It might be good if we would replace smail in hamm with exim. Exim should be the standard mailer for hamm: - Exim is based on the same concepts as smail. - It is developed with newer concepts in mind - Exim is

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Mark Baker wrote: : :In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], : Alexander Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : Both qmail (which proved insecure most evil grin) and Exim are not capable : of UUCP or even bang paths! So a lot of those guys in countries where phone : costs are

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Mark Baker
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Both qmail (which proved insecure most evil grin) and Exim are not capable of UUCP or even bang paths! So a lot of those guys in countries where phone costs are terrible (like in Germany) still use it and they WILL

Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Christoph Lameter
It might be good if we would replace smail in hamm with exim. Exim should be the standard mailer for hamm: - Exim is based on the same concepts as smail. - It is developed with newer concepts in mind - Exim is scalable from running from inetd to delivering hundredths of thousands of messages a

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Erik B. Andersen
Also we might think about replacing lilo with chos as the standard boot loader from harddisk. lilo always is a difficulty for newbies, chos offers: - Menudriven Boot Loader (Cryptic Prompt only on demand) - Highly Customizable Color Menus. - Simple configuration in passwd style file

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Mark Baker
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Henningsen) writes: I seem to remember reading somewhere in the exim docs that some simple bang addresses are understood by exim. Not sure about that. You can cope with host!user by using a rewrite rule, not anything much more

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Heiko Schlittermann
On Jun 12, Christoph Lameter wrote : It might be good if we would replace smail in hamm with exim. Exim should : be the standard mailer for hamm: ... hmmm, ``never change a running system'', and smail _is_ running. And I you're able to read some docs, it's possible to setup this think quite

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Rob Browning
Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not that anyone necessarily has the time, but would it be worthwhile to create some documents listing categories of packages, comparing and contrasting the competing packages? Right. I'm about to help someone set up a relatively busy mailserver, and

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Mark Baker
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Heiko Schlittermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : It might be good if we would replace smail in hamm with exim. Exim should : be the standard mailer for hamm: ... hmmm, ``never change a running system'', and smail _is_ running. No-one's suggesting

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Rob Browning, you wrote: Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not that anyone necessarily has the time, but would it be worthwhile to create some documents listing categories of packages, comparing and contrasting the competing packages? Right. I'm about to