Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-25 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 09:50:35PM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote: There is screensaver that displays random fortunes (executes fortune(6)). Create fortune's database consisting of credits information and you are done. [...] Would debian be willing to do this as the default screensaver? I think

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-25 Thread Martin Schulze
Hans Reiser wrote: Would debian be willing to do this as the default screensaver? I think it would be great if it did. There is no such thing as a default screensaver except the console blanker. Regards, Joey -- Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct,

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-25 Thread Nikita Danilov
Hans Reiser writes: Oleg Drokin wrote: Hello! On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 12:25:11PM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote: If someone wants to create a boot program and/or screensaver that picks a random OS component to describe the authors of at boot time, that would be nicest of

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-25 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
As far as I am concerned, I have no desire to have ReiserFS distributed for free by anyone who removes the GNU manifesto or similar expressions from Stallman's work (or my own) and redistributes it. It is simply a matter of respect that is due the author. Respect is due; but it is up to

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-24 Thread Oleg Drokin
Hello! On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 12:25:11PM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote: If someone wants to create a boot program and/or screensaver that picks a random OS component to describe the authors of at boot time, that would be nicest of all. BTW, I just thought about it again and the screensaver

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-24 Thread Hans Reiser
Oleg Drokin wrote: Hello! On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 12:25:11PM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote: If someone wants to create a boot program and/or screensaver that picks a random OS component to describe the authors of at boot time, that would be nicest of all. BTW, I just thought about it again

Credits (Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...)

2003-04-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 09:46:56PM +0400, Oleg Drokin wrote: BTW, I just thought about it again and the screensaver code is here already ;) There is screensaver that displays random fortunes (executes fortune(6)). Create fortune's database consisting of credits information and you are done.

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free then I will be honored to join Stallman and the FSF in the not free section of your distro

2003-04-23 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 02:08, Hans Reiser wrote: I find it unspeakably ingrateful to Stallman that some of you begrudge him his right to express his (discomforting to some) views to all who use his software, and to ensure that they are not removed by those suits who are discomforted. Our

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free then I will be honored to join Stallman and the FSF in the not free section of your distro

2003-04-23 Thread Hans Reiser
Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Consider that an Evil Company, say, starting with the letter 'M', could apparently make its changes to the documentation of a GFDL-licensed document near-proprietary by adding invariant sections and cover texts that are unconscionable to the original author. Something

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free then I will be honored to join Stallman and the FSF in the not free section of your distro

2003-04-23 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Wed, 2003-04-23 at 11:00, Hans Reiser wrote: Anthony DeRobertis wrote: [...] could apparently make its changes to the documentation of a GFDL-licensed document near-proprietary by adding invariant sections and cover texts that are unconscionable to the original author. [...] (Note: I

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free then I will be honored to join Stallman and the FSF in the not free section of your distro

2003-04-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op wo 23-04-2003, om 17:00 schreef Hans Reiser: Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Consider that an Evil Company, say, starting with the letter 'M', could apparently make its changes to the documentation of a GFDL-licensed document near-proprietary by adding invariant sections and cover texts that

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free then I will be honored to join Stallman and the FSF in the not free section of your distro

2003-04-23 Thread Hans Reiser
Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Wed, 2003-04-23 at 11:00, Hans Reiser wrote: Anthony DeRobertis wrote: [...] could apparently make its changes to the documentation of a GFDL-licensed document near-proprietary by adding invariant sections and cover texts that are unconscionable to the original

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free then I will be honored to join Stallman and the FSF in the not free section of your distro

2003-04-23 Thread Andrew Saunders
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:46:24 +0400 Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: persons like me are concerned that vendors will strip all information about who wrote ReiserFS out except for copyright notices that none of their users will see, slap their brand identity onto it, and ship, depriving

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free then I will be honored to join Stallman and the FSF in the not free section of your distro

2003-04-23 Thread Hans Reiser
Andrew Saunders wrote: On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:46:24 +0400 Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One could argue that if the thief had been unable to re-brand the code, they never would have used it. If they had to have a prominent notice advertising We did not write this, Hans Reiser did (only

If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free then I will be honored to join Stallman and the FSF in the not free section of your distro

2003-04-21 Thread Hans Reiser
I find it unspeakably ingrateful to Stallman that some of you begrudge him his right to express his (discomforting to some) views to all who use his software, and to ensure that they are not removed by those suits who are discomforted. As far as I am concerned, I have no desire to have

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free then I will be honored to join Stallman and the FSF in the not free section of your distro

2003-04-21 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:08, Hans Reiser wrote: I find it unspeakably ingrateful to Stallman that some of you begrudge him his right to express his (discomforting to some) views to all who use his software, and to ensure that they are not removed by those suits who are discomforted. As far as

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-21 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi Hans. How about setting the feelings towards Stallman issue aside for a moment an focusing on the problem of how Debian handles the credits in you program. I'm not sure whether, for example, moving the Credits to sponsors from being displayed by the programs themselves to the man page and /

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-21 Thread Jarno Elonen
(Hans Reiser wrote:) I look forward to the release of GPL V3 which will hopefully cover fair crediting of code as well as documentation, and stem this rising tide of plagiarism and political bowlderization by distros. I think nobody here has anything against keeping all the credits in

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free then I will be honored to join Stallman and the FSF in the not free section of your distro

2003-04-21 Thread Jarno Elonen
We are having a small debate about wheter a user has freedom to modify code of free software when it concerns where a long version of author sponsor list is displayed. It has also been speculated that GPL v3 will have a say on this. Could elaborate what will be in it? (The following message

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-21 Thread Hans Reiser
Jarno Elonen wrote: the frontend's About box? About buttons are an abomination, like the term open source, they gutlessly pretend to be what they are not in an attempt to please by dissembling.;-) First time users go to them expecting to find out what the program does, and instead they get

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-21 Thread Florian Weimer
Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I want the same visibility of credits for reiserfs that movies give for their actors. So you are concerned with the missing ad when mkreiserfs runs? In this case, your analogy is wrong. The message does not give proper credit to developers (actors), but

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-21 Thread Jarno Elonen
[About menu item] First time users go to them expecting to find out what the program does, and instead they get the name of the author and remain just as puzzled about what the program itself is for as they were before. I hate them. I see.. :) It has become a GUI idiom though, so most people

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-21 Thread Thomas Hood
[Subject line shortened and cc: list cut down] On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 08:08, Hans Reiser wrote: I find it unspeakably ingrateful to Stallman that some of you begrudge him his right to express his (discomforting to some) views to all who use his software, and to ensure that they are not

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-21 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 18:25, Hans Reiser wrote: I want the same visibility of credits for reiserfs that movies give for their actors. 30 seconds after the movie ends the cinema is 95% empty and the credits are only just started. Only the first few names get seen, and those are the ones that

[OT]Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-21 Thread iain d broadfoot
* Russell Coker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 18:25, Hans Reiser wrote: I want the same visibility of credits for reiserfs that movies give for their actors. 30 seconds after the movie ends the cinema is 95% empty and the credits are only just started. Only the first

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-21 Thread Craig Dickson
Florian Weimer wrote: Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I want the same visibility of credits for reiserfs that movies give for their actors. So you are concerned with the missing ad when mkreiserfs runs? In this case, your analogy is wrong. The message does not give proper

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free then I will be honored to join Stallman and the FSF in the not free section of your distro

2003-04-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 10:08:57AM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote: I find it unspeakably ingrateful to Stallman that some of you begrudge him his right to express his (discomforting to some) views to all who use his software, and to ensure that they are not removed by those suits who are

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:25:11 +0400, Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I want the same visibility of credits for reiserfs that movies give for their actors. Now imagine if ls or grep wanted the list of contributors to be scrolled past, slowly, on every invocation, and insisted that

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-21 Thread Michael Banck
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 08:07:19AM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote: Well, I certainly hope he doesn't want the kind of visibility that the studio and producer have. Can you imagine it? # mkreiserfs [clear screen] N A M E S Y S [...] Dude, he should

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-21 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 02:44, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:25:11 +0400, Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I want the same visibility of credits for reiserfs that movies give for their actors. Now imagine if ls or grep wanted the list of contributors to be scrolled