Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)

2013-01-02 Thread Simon Paillard
On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 10:56:53AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: $ man debian-distro-info Debian OS provides API to query such information. In addition, stable alias names are also provided (stable, testing, unstable, experimental).

Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)

2013-01-02 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 2 January 2013 14:32, Simon Paillard spaill...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 10:56:53AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: $ man debian-distro-info Debian OS provides API to query such information. In addition, stable alias

Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)

2013-01-02 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Simon Paillard wrote: Like a machine-readable http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/README ? Yeah, or something like this: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)

2013-01-02 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: Maybe distro-info-data's csv file should be published on mirrors, to even provide historical names.

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2013-01-02 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 03:55:22AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Wouldn't it be more simple to just choose a name and we would never ever have to talk about it again, and never ever have to process any of such unblocks? Sure thing: The next release after Jessie will be called Thomas. [0]

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2013-01-01 Thread Charles Plessy
Hi Thomas and everybody, and « bonne année » ! It seems to me that the main technical arguments advocating predictable or sortable release names have been given, so I think that the next step would be to make sure that they get to the right ears at the right time. While this discussion on -devel

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2013-01-01 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 01/01/2013 04:21 PM, Charles Plessy wrote: Hi Thomas and everybody, and « bonne année » ! It seems to me that the main technical arguments advocating predictable or sortable release names have been given, so I think that the next step would be to make sure that they get to the right ears

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2013-01-01 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 10:26:17PM +0800, Thomas Goirand a écrit : Maybe it's a bit overkill to do a DEP just for that no? For simple propositions, a DEP is not much more than giving a number to a wiki page, and keeping track if the proposition is under discussion, accepted or rejected. The

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 02:28:04PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 12/31/2012 04:16 AM, Philipp Kern wrote: Please don't. -devel is not a popularity contest. I'm stunted by the complexity of your argumentation. It for sure helps in the debate. Doing '+1' on an argument doesn't exactly help a

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 12/31/2012 05:47 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 02:28:04PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 12/31/2012 04:16 AM, Philipp Kern wrote: Please don't. -devel is not a popularity contest. I'm stunted by the complexity of your argumentation. It for sure helps in the debate.

Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)

2012-12-31 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 30 December 2012 19:23, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: On 12/30/2012 04:26 PM, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: Would it be an idea to publish the list of version numbers and associated code names a few releases ahead, say the upcoming three releases? Of course the prerogative of deciding on

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 01:23:56 +0800 Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: Let's say you have a software that somehow, installs Debian. I use a lot of those and wrote one of them. Then it might require the user to select which name of the release to install. Or it could simply use the names

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread Kris Deugau
Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: $ man debian-distro-info Serious question - is this a real manpage? If so, which package is it in? I don't seem to have it available by default on any Debian system at hand, from etch through wheezy... Debian OS provides API to query such information. Second serious

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread gregor herrmann
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:38:54 -0500, Kris Deugau wrote: Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: $ man debian-distro-info Serious question - is this a real manpage? If so, which package is it in? I don't seem to have it available by default on any Debian system at hand, from etch through wheezy... %

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2012-12-31 10:38:54 -0500 (-0500), Kris Deugau wrote: Serious question - is this a real manpage? If so, which package is it in? [...] It's introduced in Wheezy and available in backports for Squeeze: http://packages.debian.org/distro-info http://bugs.debian.org/559761 -- { WHOIS(

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 10:38:54AM -0500, Kris Deugau wrote: Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: $ man debian-distro-info Serious question - is this a real manpage? If so, which package is it in? That was my initial reaction. Then I found it on my system... ??? This was because ubuntu-dev-tools

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 12/31/2012 08:03 PM, Neil Williams wrote: Or it could simply use the names which don't change: oldstable, stable, testing, unstable, experimental. That's what multistrap does. That's why the archive *has* names which don't change. Then we release a new stable, and these names have a

Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)

2012-12-31 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: $ man debian-distro-info Debian OS provides API to query such information. In addition, stable alias names are also provided (stable, testing, unstable, experimental). As a last resort you can also scrape archive mirrors dists (e.g.

Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)

2012-12-30 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 12/30/2012 04:26 PM, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: Would it be an idea to publish the list of version numbers and associated code names a few releases ahead, say the upcoming three releases? Of course the prerogative of deciding on the names will remain with the release team, it would only be

Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)

2012-12-30 Thread Philipp Kern
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 01:23:56AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Please +1 to this if you agree. Please don't. -devel is not a popularity contest. Kind regards Philipp Kern signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-30 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 12/31/2012 04:16 AM, Philipp Kern wrote: Please don't. -devel is not a popularity contest. I'm stunted by the complexity of your argumentation. It for sure helps in the debate. Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?