[Andrey Rahmatullin]
Not all Debian contributors are Debian Contributors whatever that means.
Lots of people without keys somewhere in official keyrings are doing
useful work. Some of them are even maintaining packages.
And actually, come January, a pretty high fraction of official Debian
David == David L Craig dlc@gmail.com writes:
David On 14Nov10:2154+0100, Gergely Nagy wrote:
You do realize topic lists are public too, right?
David Yes, but most Debian users don't even know about
David them nor do they need to since the traditional
David lists have
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 08:50:52AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
I'd be in favor of a different approach: moderate debian-devel. Not the
content, but the list of people allowed to post. Pre-seed it with the
email adresses in our keyring and auto-add anybody who signs their email
with a key in
Hi Charles,
after unsubscribing from debian-vote, I had a bit of a thought about
debian-devel, which is hard to follow now, and suddenly I saw something very
clear. This year's freeze seems of an excellent quality and promises to be
brief. Is that thanks to debian-devel ? Not much.
Hi,
Andrey Rahmatullin:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 08:50:52AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
I'd be in favor of a different approach: moderate debian-devel. Not the
content, but the list of people allowed to post. Pre-seed it with the
email adresses in our keyring and auto-add anybody who
Andrey Rahmatullin w...@debian.org writes:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 08:50:52AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
I'd be in favor of a different approach: moderate debian-devel. Not
the content, but the list of people allowed to post. Pre-seed it
with the email adresses in our keyring and
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On 2014-11-11 12:25, Ben Finney wrote:
But all Debian Contributors have their OpenPGP key in the
project's keyring. No?
Most certainly not.
Parts where many people who is not DD nor DM takes part include docs,
web, translations and graphics.
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 10:25:05PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
I'd be in favor of a different approach: moderate debian-devel. Not
the content, but the list of people allowed to post. Pre-seed it
with the email adresses in our keyring and auto-add anybody who
signs their email with a key
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:22:53PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
I'd be in favor of a different approach: moderate debian-devel. Not the
content, but the list of people allowed to post. Pre-seed it with the
email adresses in our keyring and auto-add anybody who signs their email
with
On 11 Nov 22:25, Ben Finney wrote:
Andrey Rahmatullin w...@debian.org writes:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 08:50:52AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
I'd be in favor of a different approach: moderate debian-devel. Not
the content, but the list of people allowed to post. Pre-seed it
with
+++ Charles Plessy [2014-11-10 23:25 +0900]:
Hi all,
From now on I will try to see if I can give to Debian the same quality of
contribution without being subscribed to debian-devel. And I invite you to
think about it and *not* to discuss it on this list.
Just a data-point:
I joined
Hi,
Andrey Rahmatullin:
I know. So? If the first email of a non-DD gets delayed for a few hours,
that's an acceptable price to pay IMHO.
Nothing about delays wasn't mentioned in your previous email
Moderating (some) emails to d-d implies delaying those emails until
a human moderator looks
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 01:30:58PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Andrey Rahmatullin:
I know. So? If the first email of a non-DD gets delayed for a few hours,
that's an acceptable price to pay IMHO.
Nothing about delays wasn't mentioned in your previous email
Moderating (some) emails
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:42:38PM +0100, Martin Bagge / brother wrote:
But all Debian Contributors have their OpenPGP key in the
project's keyring. No?
Most certainly not.
Parts where many people who is not DD nor DM takes part include docs,
web, translations and graphics.
I think there
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 01:30:58PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
I know. So? If the first email of a non-DD gets delayed for a few hours,
that's an acceptable price to pay IMHO.
Nothing about delays wasn't mentioned in your previous email
Moderating (some) emails to d-d implies delaying
On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 12:41:12 PM Neil McGovern wrote:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 01:30:58PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Andrey Rahmatullin:
I know. So? If the first email of a non-DD gets delayed for a few
hours,
that's an acceptable price to pay IMHO.
Nothing about
Hi,
Scott Kitterman:
On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 12:41:12 PM Neil McGovern wrote:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 01:30:58PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Andrey Rahmatullin:
I know. So? If the first email of a non-DD gets delayed for a few
hours,
that's an acceptable price to pay
Hi,
On Dienstag, 11. November 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
I'd be willing to help out.
So would I.
me too, should this road be chosen.
cheers,
Holger
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 02:13:20PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
On Dienstag, 11. November 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
I'd be willing to help out.
So would I.
me too, should this road be chosen.
Excellent. In that case, my position is now meh :)
Neil
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On 2014-11-11 12:25, Ben Finney wrote:
But all Debian Contributors have their OpenPGP key in the
project's keyring. No?
Most certainly not.
Parts where many people who is not DD nor DM takes part include docs,
web, translations and graphics.
FWIW, when I first started running sid
Hi all,
after unsubscribing from debian-vote, I had a bit of a thought about
debian-devel, which is hard to follow now, and suddenly I saw something very
clear. This year's freeze seems of an excellent quality and promises to be
brief. Is that thanks to debian-devel ? Not much. Excellent work
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:25:35PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Hi all,
after unsubscribing from debian-vote, I had a bit of a thought about
debian-devel, which is hard to follow now, and suddenly I saw something very
clear. This year's freeze seems of an excellent quality and promises to
On 14Nov10:2325+0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
With most of the work done on topic mailing lists, trolls lose the lever
effect
they have when feasting on debian-devel or debian-vote. Let's make our
project
stronger by reducing thr attack surface for troublemakers.
But weaker by becoming
David == David L Craig dlc@gmail.com writes:
David On 14Nov10:2325+0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
With most of the work done on topic mailing lists, trolls lose the lever
effect
they have when feasting on debian-devel or debian-vote. Let's make our
project
stronger by
On 14Nov10:2154+0100, Gergely Nagy wrote:
You do realize topic lists are public too, right?
Yes, but most Debian users don't even know about
them nor do they need to since the traditional
lists have been doing their jobs for quite a
while. If you shut them down, I expect most of
the public
On Monday, November 10, 2014 04:55:20 PM David L. Craig wrote:
On 14Nov10:2154+0100, Gergely Nagy wrote:
You do realize topic lists are public too, right?
Yes, but most Debian users don't even know about
them nor do they need to since the traditional
lists have been doing their jobs for
On 2014-11-10 18:20, David L. Craig wrote:
On 14Nov10:2325+0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
With most of the work done on topic mailing lists, trolls lose the
lever effect
they have when feasting on debian-devel or debian-vote. Let's make
our project
stronger by reducing thr attack surface for
On 14Nov11:0036+0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
On 2014-11-10 18:20, David L. Craig wrote:
But weaker by becoming more non-public? At what point
is the Social Contract undermined? What about transforming
those lists into readable by all but open only to
certain responsible posters instead?
Hi,
Philipp Kern:
Discussions should move to the appropriate venues (like bugs and focussed
lists for subprojects, maintainance lists) instead of providing a soapbox of
anger.
Hmm. We already have a bunch of focused lists for subprojects.
The problem with splitting it all up and disbanding
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