Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Joerg Jaspert jo...@ganneff.de writes: Additionally we will support new architectures like armhf, sparc64, powerpc64, sh4 and s390x in case someone does the neccessary groundwork needed prior to an inclusion, and gets all the needed preconditions settled. If porters want to discuss

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-30 Thread Bastian Blank
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:50:31AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: At that point, exactly why should you not upload the entire thing? In most parts of the world you actually have to pay for data transfer. So why transfer something that is not going to be used at all? Bastian --

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-30 Thread Bastian Blank
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:19:32PM +, Philipp Kern wrote: I talked with Joerg at the meeting and we agreed that arch-based admin keyrings aren't needed. If you feel so strongly about it, I think you should take it up yourself and make [0] support one keyring per arch. Why do you want one

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-30 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:54:21AM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:50:31AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: At that point, exactly why should you not upload the entire thing? In most parts of the world you actually have to pay for data transfer. So why

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-30 Thread Philipp Kern
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:55:39AM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:19:32PM +, Philipp Kern wrote: I talked with Joerg at the meeting and we agreed that arch-based admin keyrings aren't needed. If you feel so strongly about it, I think you should take it up

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-30 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 12:16:00PM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:55:39AM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: Why do you want one keyring per arch? What problem are you trying to solve with this? I think it's called principle of least privilege. Of course we could also let

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-29 Thread Dominique Dumont
On Monday 28 March 2011 19:43:52 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: So, we have to either accept source-only uploads with the knowledge that some people will upload even more crap, or don't accept source-only uploads at all. There is no punishment for the bad uploader option, anyone proposing

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-29 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 03/28/2011 07:05 PM, Philipp Kern wrote: I think people who screw up repeatedly even after being told to be careful should have their upload privileges suspended at the discretion of the ftp-masters. We had that in the past as well. Then source-only uploads shouldn't be a problem. That

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-29 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ti, 2011-03-29 at 09:52 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: And as you have to test-build your packages anyway the only reason I see why you wouldn't be able to upload them is a very slow connection to the rest of the world. Bandwidth quotas would be another reason. (I have no opinion on whether

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-29 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de (29/03/2011): And as you have to test-build your packages anyway the only reason I see why you wouldn't be able to upload them is a very slow connection to the rest of the world. One can test-build in her own, non-chroot environment, and still be cautious about what

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-29 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011, Dominique Dumont wrote: On Monday 28 March 2011 19:43:52 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: So, we have to either accept source-only uploads with the knowledge that some people will upload even more crap, or don't accept source-only uploads at all. There is no

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:19:32PM +, Philipp Kern wrote: On 2011-03-28, Wouter Verhelst w...@uter.be wrote: But I'd think that making sure this buildd host can still do uploads in a timely manner when the key expires is pretty well inside the realm of the buildd admin's responsibility.

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-29 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Note that it isn't entirely clear to me how splitting up keyrings per architecture would help there, so some explanation might help (if I want to make sure that whatever patch I come up with actually solves the issue at hand...). You need to check on which site you luck. Lets take it that

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:56:28AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: - The long standing project of enabling autosigning for the buildds also got finished. That means that packages successfully built can now be uploaded automatically, without waiting for the buildd admin to wake up/come back

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-28 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:56:28AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Hello world, as previously announced[1] we had a FTPMaster meeting in the LinuxHotel[2] in Essen during the week from March 21st till 27th. While there have been[3] quite[4] a number[5] of blog[6] posts[7] about this meeting[8],

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-28 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Hi - The long standing project of enabling autosigning for the buildds also got finished. That means that packages successfully built can now be uploaded automatically, without waiting for the buildd admin to wake up/come back from holiday/whatever. The rules for this are simple *

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-28 Thread Philipp Kern
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:25:13AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:56:28AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: - The long standing project of enabling autosigning for the buildds also got finished. That means that packages successfully built can now be uploaded

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-28 Thread Mark Hymers
On Mon, 28, Mar, 2011 at 11:54:29AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli spoke thus.. Related to this, in your agendas you did mention the topic of throwaway DD built .debs. I understand from the minutes that no specific hacking on that has been done (understandably given how much other stuff has been

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-28 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 03/28/2011 04:37 PM, Mark Hymers wrote: The main decision which needs to be made is whether, as a project, we want source only uploads or to throw away DD built non-all debs. There's not entire agreement amongst the ftpmasters about this (I err on the side of the source-only uploads to

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-28 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2011-03-28, Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de wrote: On 03/28/2011 04:37 PM, Mark Hymers wrote: The main decision which needs to be made is whether, as a project, we want source only uploads or to throw away DD built non-all debs. There's not entire agreement amongst the ftpmasters about this (I

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-28 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: On 03/28/2011 04:37 PM, Mark Hymers wrote: The main decision which needs to be made is whether, as a project, we want source only uploads or to throw away DD built non-all debs. There's not entire agreement amongst the ftpmasters about this (I err

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 01:26:02PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Hi - The long standing project of enabling autosigning for the buildds also got finished. That means that packages successfully built can now be uploaded automatically, without waiting for the buildd admin to wake

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Phil, [ Note: re-reading, I find that my mail could be read as heated, which it wasn't meant to be. I'm firm in what I believe needs to be done, but not angry :-) ] On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 03:08:12PM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: So, AIUI, only members of the wbadm GID can change keys, not any

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-28 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011, Mark Hymers wrote: The main decision which needs to be made is whether, as a project, we want source only uploads or to throw away DD built non-all debs. There are two separate decisions here. One is whether we throw away DD built debs (non-all, or everything.[0]) The

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-28 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2011-03-28, Wouter Verhelst w...@uter.be wrote: But I'd think that making sure this buildd host can still do uploads in a timely manner when the key expires is pretty well inside the realm of the buildd admin's responsibility. And manual signing wouldn't be timely? I talked with Joerg at

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-27 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:56:28AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Just wanted to say congratulations to you all for for getting so much great stuff done in such a short time, and many thanks for all your hard work; it's much appreciated! - The long standing project of enabling autosigning for the

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-27 Thread Carsten Hey
Hi, are there any news about leaf packages and the new field mainpackage:? If so, will Wheezy contain packages using this new field? Did you decide about throwing away DD built binaries? * Joerg Jaspert [2011-03-27 10:56 +0200]: - We had some discussion about accepting ddebs into the archive

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-27 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2011-03-27, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote: - The long standing project of enabling autosigning for the buildds also got finished. That means that packages successfully built can now be uploaded automatically, without waiting for the buildd admin to wake up/come back from

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 12:27:15PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:56:28AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: - The long standing project of enabling autosigning for the buildds also got finished. That means that packages successfully built can now be uploaded

GIT for pdiff generation (was: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011)

2011-03-27 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011, Joerg Jaspert wrote: - As there have been intermittent problems with the current tool which generates the pdiff files (on occasion causing us to have to restart the whole diff series), we looked into improving the situation. We finally came up with the idea to store