Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-18 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10597 March 1977, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Well, I won't try to convince you to prioritize the new binary packages from known source package because last I heard (some 360 days ago), you didn't need convincing. Assuming that those 40-some packages affected are easier to process, it'd still

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-17 Thread Brian May
Russ == Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ I'm dubious that's really the main reason for the NEW queue. Russ Looking at http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html, Russ the ftpmasters check a lot more than that. In addition, Russ they also verify licensing issues. I

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ == Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ I'm dubious that's really the main reason for the NEW queue. Russ Looking at http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html, Russ the ftpmasters check a lot more than that. In addition,

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-17 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Thomas Viehmann, http://thomas.viehmann.net/ Well, I won't try to convince you to prioritize the new binary packages from known source package because last I heard (some 360 days ago), you didn't need convincing. Assuming that those 40-some packages affected are easier to process, it'd still

Re: Regarding the NEW queue (Was: Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?)

2006-03-15 Thread Micah Anderson
On 2006-03-13, Jeroen van Wolffelaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody mailed ftpmaster@ about the size of the NEW queue. -devel isn't a contact address for ftp-master, at least speaking for myself, mailinglists have a much lower priority than things like ftpmaster mail, and when backlogged

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-15 Thread Brian May
Simon == Simon Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Simon The main reason for the NEW queue is the US export Simon legislation. If it were legal to make packages immediately Simon downloadable, it would be done. In which case why do new packages with known source code end up in the NEW

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Simon == Simon Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Simon The main reason for the NEW queue is the US export Simon legislation. If it were legal to make packages immediately Simon downloadable, it would be done. In which case why do new packages

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-14 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, Kevin Mark wrote: If someone differentiated it into a simple triaged state: unseen, seem and expect to process soon and seen and requires more processing, it may alleviate some anxiety -- or maybe not. Hm, I am wondering how the internal communication between the ftpmasters works (i.e.

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-14 Thread Steve Greenland
On 13-Mar-06, 17:11 (CST), Joerg Jaspert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brr, there was no such decision, so no need to inform anything anywhere. It was more a try to not grow that fast for now, and try to remove stuff when you add new things. That was after the archive growing superfast in a very

Re: Regarding the NEW queue (Was: Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?)

2006-03-14 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Lars Wirzenius wrote: ma, 2006-03-13 kello 14:59 +0100, Jeroen van Wolffelaar kirjoitti: On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 12:20:38PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: Is there a reason why the question should be made in private? It seems as if only problems and annoyances end up on mailinglists, and

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-14 Thread Kevin Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Simon, On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 02:48:18PM +0100, Simon Richter wrote: Hi, Kevin Mark wrote: If someone differentiated it into a simple triaged state: unseen, seem and expect to process soon and seen and requires more processing, it may

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Andreas Barth
* Petter Reinholdtsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060313 08:03]: [Steinar H. Gunderson] Perhaps the ftpmasters are busy with the mirror split? Could be, but I believe I heard that most NEW processing is done by one of the assistants while the mirror split is done by someone else. I guess that one

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006, Andreas Barth wrote: Well, that person is currently on the CeBIT and manning the Debian booth there. The problem in the sentence above is the singular in that. I know that Jörg Jaspers does a great job as ftp master assistant but didn't we talked about the hit by a bus

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Ondrej Sury
On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 08:57 +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: On Mon, March 13, 2006 01:39, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 06:53:08PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: It looks approximately as though nothing has been examined since a month ago. Perhaps the ftpmasters

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 3/13/06, martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also sprach Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.03.13.0752 +0100]: Could be, but I believe I heard that most NEW processing is done by one of the assistants while the mirror split is done by someone else. The mirror split is a

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.03.13.1101 +0100]: Has that not been announced in any public place? Not that I know. I got this information in the hallway track during FOSDEM. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Martin F Krafft] The mirror split is a complicated endeavour. From what I understood, the NEW queue was put on hold on purpose until the split is complete. Ouch. If that is true, I hope ftpmasters will announce it to the developers, as a blocked NEW hinders development of Debian and should

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.03.13.0752 +0100]: Could be, but I believe I heard that most NEW processing is done by one of the assistants while the mirror split is done by someone else. The mirror split is a complicated endeavour. From what I understood, the NEW

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2006-03-13 kello 08:57 +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst kirjoitti: I don't think it's useful to second-guess what they're doing, so my question to Nathanael: when did you post this question to them directly and what was their answer? Is there a reason why the question should be made in private? I

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Nico Golde
hi, * Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-13 11:11]: * Petter Reinholdtsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060313 08:03]: [Steinar H. Gunderson] Perhaps the ftpmasters are busy with the mirror split? Could be, but I believe I heard that most NEW processing is done by one of the assistants

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Lun 13 Mars 2006 10:38, martin f krafft a écrit : also sprach Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.03.13.0752 +0100]: Could be, but I believe I heard that most NEW processing is done by one of the assistants while the mirror split is done by someone else. The mirror split is a

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Frank Küster
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also sprach Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.03.13.0752 +0100]: Could be, but I believe I heard that most NEW processing is done by one of the assistants while the mirror split is done by someone else. The mirror split is a complicated

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Petter Reinholdtsen [Mon, Mar 13 2006, 11:00:47AM]: Ouch. If that is true, I hope ftpmasters will announce it to the developers, as a blocked NEW hinders development of Debian and should not we a surprise. An announcement would at least give us some idea on when the NEW

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, March 13, 2006 11:20, Lars Wirzenius wrote: ma, 2006-03-13 kello 08:57 +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst kirjoitti: I don't think it's useful to second-guess what they're doing, so my question to Nathanael: when did you post this question to them directly and what was their answer? Is there a

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-13 11:22]: The mirror split is a complicated endeavour. From what I understood, the NEW queue was put on hold on purpose until the split is complete. and of course such a useless information has been kept silent. Maybe because it's simply not

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006, Martin Michlmayr wrote: and of course such a useless information has been kept silent. Maybe because it's simply not true? Sow what? If this is not true, what is true and why is it kept silent (well, IRC logs are not really but effectively silent). I know, Martin, it

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Frank Küster
Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-13 11:22]: The mirror split is a complicated endeavour. From what I understood, the NEW queue was put on hold on purpose until the split is complete. and of course such a useless information has been

Regarding the NEW queue (Was: Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?)

2006-03-13 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 01:39:04AM +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 06:53:08PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: It looks approximately as though nothing has been examined since a month ago. Perhaps the ftpmasters are busy with the mirror split? Different people

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 02:49:18PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-13 11:22]: The mirror split is a complicated endeavour. From what I understood, the NEW queue was put on hold on purpose until the split is

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Martin Michlmayr wrote: 20:38 Ganneff the archive grow too fast too big. so i should not process NEW so fast to not grow much more in a short term. something like that more. Well, if that's the reason, are updates to existing source packages still allowed? I'd really like to fix my RC bugs

Re: Regarding the NEW queue (Was: Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?)

2006-03-13 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2006-03-13 kello 14:59 +0100, Jeroen van Wolffelaar kirjoitti: On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 12:20:38PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: Is there a reason why the question should be made in private? It seems as if only problems and annoyances end up on mailinglists, and *not* to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 03:23:29PM +0100, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Martin Michlmayr wrote: 20:38 Ganneff the archive grow too fast too big. so i should not process NEW so fast to not grow much more in a short term. something like that more. Well, if that's the reason, are updates to

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Frank Küster
Jeroen van Wolffelaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 02:49:18PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-13 11:22]: The mirror split is a complicated endeavour. From what I understood, the NEW

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: Well, if that's the reason, are updates to existing source packages still allowed? I'd really like to fix my RC bugs and sync with upstream at the same time but the latter would involve so-version changes. This is not the reason for any backlog, although it does

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 3/13/06, Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ma, 2006-03-13 kello 08:57 +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst kirjoitti: I don't think it's useful to second-guess what they're doing, so my question to Nathanael: when did you post this question to them directly and what was their answer? Is there

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Michael Banck
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 02:39:11PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 3/13/06, Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ma, 2006-03-13 kello 08:57 +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst kirjoitti: I don't think it's useful to second-guess what they're doing, so my question to Nathanael: when did you post

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 3/13/06, Jeroen van Wolffelaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 03:23:29PM +0100, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Martin Michlmayr wrote: 20:38 Ganneff the archive grow too fast too big. so i should not process NEW so fast to not grow much more in a short term. something

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 3/13/06, Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 02:39:11PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 3/13/06, Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ma, 2006-03-13 kello 08:57 +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst kirjoitti: I don't think it's useful to second-guess what they're

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Martin Schulze
Nathanael Nerode wrote: It looks approximately as though nothing has been examined since a month ago. Although that doesn't explain the packages listed up top. DWN permanently lists new packages, have this always been false positives? Regards, Joey -- The only stupid question is the

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Margarita Manterola
On 3/12/06, Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 06:53:08PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: It looks approximately as though nothing has been examined since a month ago. Perhaps the ftpmasters are busy with the mirror split? I asked Joerg Jaspert about this

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Martin Schulze
Nico Golde wrote: Could be, but I believe I heard that most NEW processing is done by one of the assistants while the mirror split is done by someone else. I guess that one person got busy or demotivated. I suspect NEW Well, that person is currently on the CeBIT and manning the

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Martin Schulze
Nico Golde wrote: Hi, * Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-13 19:19]: Nico Golde wrote: Could be, but I believe I heard that most NEW processing is done by one of the assistants while the mirror split is done by someone else. I guess that one person got busy or

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-13 19:19]: Nico Golde wrote: Could be, but I believe I heard that most NEW processing is done by one of the assistants while the mirror split is done by someone else. I guess that one person got busy or demotivated. I suspect NEW

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10592 March 1977, Nathanael Nerode wrote: It looks approximately as though nothing has been examined since a month ago. Now thats just wrong. I have a backlog, yup, but that will clear itself again in a short timeframe. -- bye Joerg [Talking about Social Contract]: We will not

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10592 March 1977, Gustavo Franco wrote: If the ftpmasters are going to stop NEW processing for a while with or without a special criteria, they should inform us through d-d-a or the DPL if they think it will generate too much noise, like these threads. If they did that i'm yet to hear

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 3/13/06, Joerg Jaspert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10592 March 1977, Gustavo Franco wrote: If the ftpmasters are going to stop NEW processing for a while with or without a special criteria, they should inform us through d-d-a or the DPL if they think it will generate too much noise,

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Brian May
On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 11:00 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: Ouch. If that is true, I hope ftpmasters will announce it to the developers, as a blocked NEW hinders development of Debian and should not we a surprise. An announcement would at least give us some idea on when the NEW holding

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Petter Reinholdtsen dijo [Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 11:00:47AM +0100]: The mirror split is a complicated endeavour. From what I understood, the NEW queue was put on hold on purpose until the split is complete. Ouch. If that is true, I hope ftpmasters will announce it to the developers, as a

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 10:49:39PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Petter Reinholdtsen dijo [Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 11:00:47AM +0100]: The mirror split is a complicated endeavour. From what I understood, the NEW queue was put on hold on purpose until the split is complete. Ouch. If that is

NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
xvidcap -- 1 year. If the ffmpeg source code is removed from the source package, could this go in? FTPmasters? mozilla-firefox-adblock -- 5 months. Why is this not going in? cvsconnect, cvssuck -- 4 months. Why are these not going in or being rejected? mozilla-thunderbird-locale-cs -- 3

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-12 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 06:53:08PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: It looks approximately as though nothing has been examined since a month ago. Perhaps the ftpmasters are busy with the mirror split? /* Steinar */ -- Homepage: http://www.sesse.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-12 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Steinar H. Gunderson] Perhaps the ftpmasters are busy with the mirror split? Could be, but I believe I heard that most NEW processing is done by one of the assistants while the mirror split is done by someone else. I guess that one person got busy or demotivated. I suspect NEW processing in

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-12 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, March 13, 2006 01:39, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 06:53:08PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: It looks approximately as though nothing has been examined since a month ago. Perhaps the ftpmasters are busy with the mirror split? I don't think it's useful to