Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-11-05 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 10:12:59PM +0100, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 10:21 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 09:13:43AM +0100, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: Other package that depend on menu... mostly meta package

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-11-04 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
On Thu, 2011-11-03 at 07:20 +0100, Christian PERRIER wrote: Quoting Bill Allombert (bill.allomb...@math.u-bordeaux1.fr): What about moving the su-to-root binary to a different binary package ? Bill what's your PoV about spliting it ? In that case, I think that the above discussion

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-11-04 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 09:13:43AM +0100, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: Other package that depend on menu... mostly meta package === +---+---+++ |Package name |provide| su in | Dependency |

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-11-04 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 10:21 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 09:13:43AM +0100, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: Other package that depend on menu... mostly meta package === +---+---+++

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-11-03 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Bill Allombert (bill.allomb...@math.u-bordeaux1.fr): What about moving the su-to-root binary to a different binary package ? Bill what's your PoV about spliting it ? I am not very keen creating a new Debian package for a 3kB script. In that case, I think that the above discussion

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-11-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 03 novembre 2011 à 00:48 +0100, Bill Allombert a écrit : The real issue is that nobody is really maintaining the XDG menu system. No, the real issue here is that some packages require to run GUIs as root while X11 was not designed to do that. Upstream is not going to encourage broken

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-11-03 Thread Luk Claes
On 11/03/2011 07:20 AM, Christian PERRIER wrote: Quoting Bill Allombert (bill.allomb...@math.u-bordeaux1.fr): What about moving the su-to-root binary to a different binary package ? Bill what's your PoV about spliting it ? I am not very keen creating a new Debian package for a 3kB script.

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-11-03 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 03.11.2011 19:28, schrieb Luk Claes: On 11/03/2011 07:20 AM, Christian PERRIER wrote: It seems many uses of su-to-root could be replaced by pkexec (package policykit-1), no? Or is there something wrong with that approach? Ideally, applications should support policykit natively and split

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-11-02 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 01:14:59PM +0100, Frank lin Piat wrote: On Sun 30/10/11 11:31 , Daniel Baumann wrote:: On 10/29/2011 08:49 PM, Frank lin Piat wrote: I intend to submit a mass bug filling to ask packages maintainer to drop or downgrade their dependency on menu: [...]

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-11-01 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 à 13:10 +, Jonathan Wiltshire a écrit : On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 08:49:01PM +0200, Frank lin Piat wrote: Specious depends relationship [AFAICT]: backintime-gnome - GNOME front-end for backintime backintime-kde- KDE front-end for backintime

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-11-01 Thread Luk Claes
On 11/01/2011 08:58 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 à 13:10 +, Jonathan Wiltshire a écrit : On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 08:49:01PM +0200, Frank lin Piat wrote: Specious depends relationship [AFAICT]: backintime-gnome - GNOME front-end for backintime

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-11-01 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 01 Nov 2011, Luk Claes wrote: On 11/01/2011 08:58 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 à 13:10 +, Jonathan Wiltshire a écrit : On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 08:49:01PM +0200, Frank lin Piat wrote: Specious depends relationship [AFAICT]: backintime-gnome

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-10-31 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 08:49:01PM +0200, Frank lin Piat wrote: Specious depends relationship [AFAICT]: backintime-gnome - GNOME front-end for backintime backintime-kde- KDE front-end for backintime This is because of su-to-root. -- Jonathan Wiltshire

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-10-30 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 10/29/2011 08:49 PM, Frank lin Piat wrote: I intend to submit a mass bug filling to ask packages maintainer to drop or downgrade their dependency on menu: [...] packages that need root have to use su-to-root in order to play well on live systems (where you know at runtime if sudo, su, gksu,

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-10-30 Thread Frank lin Piat
On Sun 30/10/11 11:31 , Daniel Baumann wrote:: On 10/29/2011 08:49 PM, Frank lin Piat wrote: I intend to submit a mass bug filling to ask packages maintainer to drop or downgrade their dependency on menu: [...] packages that need root have to use su-to-root in order to play well on live

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-10-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 30 octobre 2011 à 13:14 +0100, Frank lin Piat a écrit : As a side benefit, if su-to-root were not inside menu, I guess that many package would depend on it, rather than depending directly on gksu or kdesudo as they currently do... Anyway these packages should be fix to stop

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-10-30 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Frank lin Piat fp...@klabs.be [111029 20:49]: [Please, reply/discuss flame .. /flame separate thread.] Please don't put stupid requests into flame then... (Not even speaking about the flames outside flame). Specious recommends relationship [AFAICT]: [...] ratpoison -

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-10-30 Thread Russ Allbery
Frank lin Piat fp...@klabs.be writes: On Sun 30/10/11 11:31 , Daniel Baumann wrote:: packages that need root have to use su-to-root in order to play well on live systems (where you know at runtime if sudo, su, gksu, $whatever has to be used). your package list contains such cases. [..]

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-10-30 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Frank lin Piat (fp...@klabs.be): Specious suggests relationship [AFAICT]: .../... geneweb - genealogy software with web interface Doh, my pet package is pointed fingers at...:-) Fixed in 6.00-2. Thanks for your work on this! signature.asc

Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-10-29 Thread Frank lin Piat
[Please, reply/discuss flame .. /flame separate thread.] Introduction Lots of package seems to have some kind of dependency on menu which aren't needed/useful. Therefore, removing the menu package on a given system isn't always possible. Also, many packages seems depends, recommends

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on menu.

2011-10-29 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Frank lin Piat wrote: Debian Games Team pkg-games-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org   xmahjongg Fixed in SVN. I'd also like to see wishlist bugs on all the menu-only window managers asking for FreeDesktop menu support. -- bye, pabs