Re: Re: Re: Concerns to software freedom when packaging deep-learning based appications.

2018-07-13 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Lumin (2018-07-13 18:13:26) > > Seems you elaborated only that it is ridiculously slow so use CPUs > > instead of [non-free blob'ed] GPUs - not that it is *impossible to > > use CPUs. > > > > If I am mistaken and you addressed the _possibility_ (not > > popularity) of

Re: Re: Re: Concerns to software freedom when packaging deep-learning based appications.

2018-07-13 Thread Lumin
Hi Jonas, > Seems you elaborated only that it is ridiculously slow so use CPUs > instead of [non-free blob'ed] GPUs - not that it is *impossible to use > CPUs. > > If I am mistaken and you addressed the _possibility_ (not popularity) of > reproducing/modifying/researching with CPUs, then I

Re: Re: Concerns to software freedom when packaging deep-learning based appications.

2018-07-13 Thread Lumin
Hi Russell, > On Thu, 2018-07-12 at 18:15 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Compare neural networks: a user who uses a pre-trained neural network > > is subordinated to the people who prepared its training data and set > > up the training runs. > > In Alpha-Zero's case (it is Alpha-Zero the original

Re: Re: Concerns to software freedom when packaging deep-learning based appications.

2018-07-13 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Lumin (2018-07-13 16:34:44) > > Perhaps I am missing something, but if _possible_ just 100x slower > > to use CPUs instead of GPUs, then I fail to recognize how it cannot > > be reproduced, modified, and researched 100x slower. [...] >CPU takes ridiculously long time, compared to

Re: Re: Concerns to software freedom when packaging deep-learning based appications.

2018-07-13 Thread Lumin
Hi Ian, > Lumin writes ("Concerns to software freedom when packaging deep-learning > based appications."): > > 1. Is GPL-licended pretrained neural network REALLY FREE? Is it really > > DFSG-compatible? > > No. No. > > Things in Debian main shoudl be buildable *from source* using Debian

Re: Re: Concerns to software freedom when packaging deep-learning based appications.

2018-07-13 Thread Lumin
Hi Jonas > Perhaps I am missing something, but if _possible_ just 100x slower to > use CPUs instead of GPUs, then I fail to recognize how it cannot be > reproduced, modified, and researched 100x slower. > > Quite interesting question you raise! I can provide at least two data points: 1. The