Re: adduser default for sgid home directories

2022-07-29 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 16:10:18 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 07:06:59PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: >> I don't like the idea of messing with old NEWS entries at all. > >I'm trying to understand why you feel this way. It feels like rewriting history. Maybe the similiarity of

Re: adduser default for sgid home directories

2022-07-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 07:06:59PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > I don't like the idea of messing with old NEWS entries at all. I'm trying to understand why you feel this way. A NEWS.Debian entry is not aimed towards developers; it is meant as documentation shown to the user when upgrading. Having

Re: adduser default for sgid home directories

2022-07-25 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 09:05:55 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: >Matt Barry wrote: >> On Mon, 2022-07-25 at 14:37 +0100, Colin Watson wrote: >> > On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 12:34:31PM -0400, Matt Barry wrote: >> > > Anyway, its been released at this point, so the issue is moot :) >> > >> > Regardless of

Re: adduser default for sgid home directories

2022-07-25 Thread Josh Triplett
Matt Barry wrote: > On Mon, 2022-07-25 at 14:37 +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 12:34:31PM -0400, Matt Barry wrote: > > > Anyway, its been released at this point, so the issue is moot :) > > > > Regardless of the rest of the discussion, this isn't entirely true. > > Yes,

Re: adduser default for sgid home directories

2022-07-25 Thread Matt Barry
On Mon, 2022-07-25 at 14:37 +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 12:34:31PM -0400, Matt Barry wrote: > > Anyway, its been released at this point, so the issue is moot :) > > Regardless of the rest of the discussion, this isn't entirely true. > Yes, people following unstable will

Re: adduser default for sgid home directories

2022-07-25 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 12:34:31PM -0400, Matt Barry wrote: > Anyway, its been released at this point, so the issue is moot :) Regardless of the rest of the discussion, this isn't entirely true. Yes, people following unstable will have already seen the NEWS entry and apt-listchanges won't show it

Re: adduser default for sgid home directories

2022-07-25 Thread Matt Barry
On Mon, 2022-07-25 at 09:33 +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: > Philipp Kern writes: > > On 25.07.22 08:46, Bjørn Mork wrote: > > > > > > obviously false. "No change" is always less surprising than any > > > change, > > > whatever the rationale is. > > > > It can also be unsurprising from an end-user's

Re: adduser default for sgid home directories

2022-07-25 Thread Bjørn Mork
Philipp Kern writes: > On 25.07.22 08:46, Bjørn Mork wrote: >> Matt Barry writes: - why has a change been made >>> >>> I think this is explained in excruciating detail. The short version >>> (from NEWS): >>> >>> "mode 0700 provides both the most secure, unsurprising default" > [...] >> And

Re: adduser default for sgid home directories

2022-07-25 Thread Philipp Kern
On 25.07.22 08:46, Bjørn Mork wrote: Matt Barry writes: - why has a change been made I think this is explained in excruciating detail. The short version (from NEWS): "mode 0700 provides both the most secure, unsurprising default" [...] And the claim that this is "most unsurprising" (less

Re: adduser default for sgid home directories

2022-07-25 Thread Bjørn Mork
Matt Barry writes: >> - why has a change been made > > I think this is explained in excruciating detail. The short version > (from NEWS): > > "mode 0700 provides both the most secure, unsurprising default" This is a self-referencing explanation. It provides no value. It's only good if you

Re: adduser default for sgid home directories

2022-07-24 Thread Matt Barry
Hello, On Sun, 2022-07-24 at 15:09 +0100, RL wrote: > Marc Haber writes: > > > ... Here is what the adduser team considers possible > > documentation for this, and we itend to include this in NEWS.Debian > > as a > > rationale for the change. > > As a user who reads NEWS.Debian (via

Re: adduser default for sgid home directories

2022-07-24 Thread RL
Marc Haber writes: > ... Here is what the adduser team considers possible > documentation for this, and we itend to include this in NEWS.Debian as a > rationale for the change. As a user who reads NEWS.Debian (via apt-listchanges) i found the text didnt give me the answers i was looking for. I