Simon McVittie:
If sshd uses (or can be made to use) IP_FREEBIND to remove the
potential dependency on bringing up network interfaces, then
/lib/systemd/system/ssh.service could have DefaultDependencies=no,
RequiresMountsFor=/usr /lib /etc, and drop its dependency on
network.target.
Vincent Danjean:
I found another issue with systemd and noauto.
[...]
Do you think I should do a bugreport ?
Not until you've constructed a far better description, because your
current description is this:
1. I have several lines in /etc/fstab that all have noauto.
2. systemd is obeying
On Monday, 24 de November de 2014 07:33:38 Matthias Urlichs escribió:
Hi,
Noel Torres:
Anyway I see that you do not use the noauto option. Is that on purpose?
What? It's the very first option.
My fault. My eyes looked for defaults,noauto while I was searching for just
noauto.
In any
* Simon McVittie s...@debian.org [141122 20:36]:
Perhaps more to the point, Debian's initramfs-generator has been
modified to mount /usr as well as the root, so only systems that have no
initramfs *and* split /usr will get as far as exec()ing systemd without
first mounting /usr (which is a
On 20/11/2014 21:44, Simon McVittie wrote:
noauto is appropriate for detachable/removable media that are not
normally present. The other option for such media is to leave them out
of fstab altogether, and use something like udisks to mount them
on-demand: that's what you'd typically do in
On Sunday, 23 de November de 2014 15:09:53 Vincent Danjean escribió:
On 20/11/2014 21:44, Simon McVittie wrote:
noauto is appropriate for detachable/removable media that are not
normally present. The other option for such media is to leave them out
of fstab altogether, and use something
Hi,
Noel Torres:
Anyway I see that you do not use the noauto option. Is that on purpose?
What? It's the very first option.
In any case, I can see why three entries for the same mountpoint don't
exactly fit systemd's view of the world -- I wouldn't get that idea either,
since mount
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 05:51:47PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
As I understand it, sysvinit didn't care whether mountall.sh succeeded or
failed.
This doesn't come from ignorance.
What can you do in this situation?
* throw your hands up, abort booting. Hope the admin enjoys a drive to
the
Hi,
Adam Borowski:
* systemd: in preinst, check if any fstab lines without noauto or nofail
are not currently mounted -- if so, abort the installation as it would
result in an unbootable system.
In theory, sshd could start much earlier.
Right now it (indirectly) depends on networking,
Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl writes:
There's currently no way to express which mounts are needed for which
functionality.
While that's true, I'm not sure that fine-grained control of this is
required here. We can get a long way with just a way to indicate whether
a mount is important or
Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-11-22 18:01:12)
I also like the idea of not having ssh depend on all local file
systems to be mounted. I think it's going to be pretty rare to have a
system that has /lib and /etc mounted but can't start ssh. In theory,
that's possible with a split / and /usr,
On 22/11/14 17:01, Russ Allbery wrote:
I think it's going to be pretty rare to have a system that
has /lib and /etc mounted but can't start ssh. In theory, that's possible
with a split / and /usr, but as we've discussed in other threads, that's
an extremely unusual configuration these days.
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk writes:
Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-11-22 18:01:12)
I also like the idea of not having ssh depend on all local file systems
to be mounted. I think it's going to be pretty rare to have a system
that has /lib and /etc mounted but can't start ssh. In theory,
2014-11-22 20:30 GMT+01:00 Russ Allbery r...@debian.org:
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk writes:
Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-11-22 18:01:12)
I also like the idea of not having ssh depend on all local file systems
to be mounted. I think it's going to be pretty rare to have a system
that has
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 07:17:55PM +, Simon McVittie wrote:
If sshd uses (or can be made to use) IP_FREEBIND to remove the potential
dependency on bringing up network interfaces, then
/lib/systemd/system/ssh.service could have DefaultDependencies=no,
RequiresMountsFor=/usr /lib /etc, and
]] Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-11-22 18:01:12)
I also like the idea of not having ssh depend on all local file
systems to be mounted. I think it's going to be pretty rare to have a
system that has /lib and /etc mounted but can't start ssh. In theory,
that's possible
On 22/11/14 19:54, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
(Maybe systemd has smarter methods for that case which I don't know of)
I think RequiresMountsFor is what you're looking for.
ConditionFileExists is not the right thing here: the Condition* family
more or less means if the condition is absent, behave as
Quoting Tollef Fog Heen (2014-11-22 21:52:10)
]] Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-11-22 18:01:12)
I also like the idea of not having ssh depend on all local file
systems to be mounted. I think it's going to be pretty rare to have
a system that has /lib and /etc mounted but
2014-11-22 22:10 GMT+01:00 Simon McVittie s...@debian.org:
On 22/11/14 19:54, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
(Maybe systemd has smarter methods for that case which I don't know of)
I think RequiresMountsFor is what you're looking for.
ConditionFileExists is not the right thing here: the Condition*
On Thursday, 20 de November de 2014 20:44:17 Simon McVittie escribió:
On 20/11/14 19:06, Noel Torres wrote:
On Thursday, 20 de November de 2014 17:53:27 Marco d'Itri escribió:
On Nov 20, Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote:
The first issue (fstab now fatally blocks boot) is something the
Noel Torres env...@rolamasao.org writes:
Many thanks
I do not understand, then, how this is different from what sysvinit's
mountall.sh does (or at least what I understand it does).
As I understand it, sysvinit didn't care whether mountall.sh succeeded or
failed. So even if a bunch of
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Noel Torres wrote:
I do not understand, then, how this is different from what sysvinit's
mountall.sh does (or at least what I understand it does).
The difference is that it appears to ignore the exit code of mount
calls, meaning it acts as if everything in
On 20/11/14 19:06, Noel Torres wrote:
On Thursday, 20 de November de 2014 17:53:27 Marco d'Itri escribió:
On Nov 20, Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote:
The first issue (fstab now fatally blocks boot) is something the systemd
maintainers have considered (as I understand it) and rejected.
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