Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-28 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wednesday 27 January 1999, at 14 h 40, the keyboard of Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, i currently don't have any access to the sources of the boot floppies and therefore don't know about the TODO list's contents. You can get the last version by CVS: :ext:[EMAIL

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-28 Thread Christian Meder
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 10:08:40AM +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Wednesday 27 January 1999, at 14 h 40, the keyboard of Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What i'd like to see is something like profiles/Textprocessing for the writing people containing the TeX system and

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-28 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thursday 28 January 1999, at 11 h 23, the keyboard of Christian Meder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember I made a pretty complete TeX profile when I created the profiles for hamm. Isn't it there anymore ? There is a TeX *task* (not a profile) of 201 Mb (it includes all the dependencies,

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-27 Thread John Lapeyre
Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 01:32:28PM -0700, John Lapeyre wrote: I guess I should add this to my last post about how bad the installation is. The boot floppies themselves and apt are quite good. Getting the base system on is easy for someone

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-26 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 09:33:16AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: hamm was released with a pre-selections wrapper, where you could chose certain sets of pre-selected packages. it works, but could use some improvement and probably needs to be updated for slink - there's a good place for you to

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-25 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 08:00:06PM +0100, Paul Seelig wrote: On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Steve Shorter wrote: Since when has the purpose of debian been to appease the interests of the mass of unskilled consumers? There are lots of dists that are trying to do that. I'm sure they will do a good

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-25 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 07:14:35PM +, thomas lakofski wrote: As an experienced Debian user, I'll second these sentiments. Since buzz I've been waiting for the Debian installation process to become a (as it should be) 30 minute process, hopefully with some tools included for mass

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-24 Thread thomas lakofski
On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 08:51:25PM +, thomas lakofski wrote: OK, since it seems that this kind of thing will probably only happen in a commercial context, maybe it would make sense to arrange commercial sponsorship of Debian in a bigger way.

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-24 Thread John Lapeyre
I did a fresh install yesterday from a hamm CD (our free CheapBytes CD). I chose the scientifc workstation option. This caused a minor nightmare. The only reason I was able to complete the install is because I have a few hundred hours experience in maintaining debian systems. I really

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-24 Thread John Lapeyre
I guess I should add this to my last post about how bad the installation is. The boot floppies themselves and apt are quite good. Getting the base system on is easy for someone who knows what is going on. Probably not for a beginner. John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson,AZ

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-24 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 01:32:28PM -0700, John Lapeyre wrote: I guess I should add this to my last post about how bad the installation is. The boot floppies themselves and apt are quite good. Getting the base system on is easy for someone who knows what is going on. Probably not for a

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-24 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On 24 Jan 1999, John Lapeyre wrote: I guess I should add this to my last post about how bad the installation is. The boot floppies themselves and apt are quite good. Getting the base system on is easy for someone who knows what is going on. Probably not for a beginner. As someone who

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-23 Thread David Welton
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 04:10:52PM +0100, Paul Seelig wrote: The first thing a future Debian entrepreneur interested in financial success would have to address would be to fix all those things which we Debian propeller heads have preferred to mostly neglect up until now: ease of install and

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-23 Thread Steve Shorter
On 23 Jan 1999, Paul Seelig wrote: and annoyances they'd have with Debian. They won't care about Debian's rather unaccessable technical superiority if the installation hinders them from getting the beast at least easily up and running and will recommend SuSE to the rest of the world. That's

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-23 Thread Paul Seelig
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Steve Shorter wrote: Since when has the purpose of debian been to appease the interests of the mass of unskilled consumers? There are lots of dists that are trying to do that. I'm sure they will do a good job of introducing newbies to Linux. But I never thought

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-23 Thread thomas lakofski
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Paul Seelig wrote: Please don't let's start *this* kind of discussion yet again. It's *not* about appeasing to the masses of unskilled consumers. It's about increasing ease of installation, use and maintenance. Skilled people definitely benefit from such time saving

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-23 Thread David Welton
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 07:14:35PM +, thomas lakofski wrote: On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Paul Seelig wrote: Can some focus be brought to getting there with similar ease? I've been with Debian for over 2 years now and would be sad to have to abandon it in the long run because of 'we don't do

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-23 Thread Raul Miller
thomas lakofski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also am disappointed with the attitude of some people towards making these things easier to do. Is it some kind of techno-snobbery, maybe? In the context of initial installation, I think it's laziness -- a refusal to examine problems. That said, the

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-23 Thread thomas lakofski
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Raul Miller wrote: thomas lakofski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also am disappointed with the attitude of some people towards making these things easier to do. Is it some kind of techno-snobbery, maybe? In the context of initial installation, I think it's laziness --

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-23 Thread Steve Shorter
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, thomas lakofski wrote: I also am disappointed with the attitude of some people towards making these things easier to do. Is it some kind of techno-snobbery, maybe? There is nothing wrong with making things easier. Simplicity is an important technical value. But

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-23 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 08:51:25PM +, thomas lakofski wrote: On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Raul Miller wrote: thomas lakofski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also am disappointed with the attitude of some people towards making these things easier to do. Is it some kind of techno-snobbery, maybe?