On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 06:55:18PM -0700, Gordon Haverland wrote:
I'm a UN*X dinosaur. I started using UN*X in 1984.
I don't like this idea of folding /bin, /sbin, /usr/sbin into
/usr/bin.
I think the reasons to segregate /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin
and anything in /usr/local/*
Reinhard Tartler siret...@debian.org writes:
On Mo, Dez 12, 2011 at 05:36:41 (CET), Karl Goetz wrote:
[...]
The initramfs on the other hand is made to fit. So if /usr isn't on a
networking filesystem (NFS) then you won't get networking stuff in the
initramfs. No raid then mdadm isn't
On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:11:55 +0100
Reinhard Tartler siret...@debian.org wrote:
On Mo, Dez 12, 2011 at 05:36:41 (CET), Karl Goetz wrote:
[...]
The initramfs on the other hand is made to fit. So if /usr isn't
on a networking filesystem (NFS) then you won't get networking
stuff in the
I'm a UN*X dinosaur. I started using UN*X in 1984.
I don't like this idea of folding /bin, /sbin, /usr/sbin into
/usr/bin.
I think the reasons to segregate /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin
and anything in /usr/local/* still exist today.
I want more segregation, not less. Actually, I've
On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 18:55 -0700, Gordon Haverland wrote:
I'm a UN*X dinosaur. I started using UN*X in 1984.
I don't like this idea of folding /bin, /sbin, /usr/sbin into
/usr/bin.
I think the reasons to segregate /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin
and anything in /usr/local/* still
I demand that Stephan Seitz may or may not have written...
On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 11:34:34AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
Actually, Red Hat's goal *is* to support a separate /usr, they just want
to have the initramfs mount it.
But as was seen in the last discussion, not everyone *has* an
Darren Salt li...@youmustbejoking.demon.co.uk writes:
I demand that Stephan Seitz may or may not have written...
On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 11:34:34AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
Actually, Red Hat's goal *is* to support a separate /usr, they just want
to have the initramfs mount it.
But as was
On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 10:40:36 +0100
Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote:
Igor Pashev pashev.i...@gmail.com writes:
07.12.2011 04:43, Marco d'Itri пишет:
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commitdiff;h=12a362be5c1982f80dbfb75bda070208a2c99cdf
Discuss.
I
On Mo, Dez 12, 2011 at 05:36:41 (CET), Karl Goetz wrote:
[...]
The initramfs on the other hand is made to fit. So if /usr isn't on a
networking filesystem (NFS) then you won't get networking stuff in the
initramfs. No raid then mdadm isn't included. No lvm and the initramfs
gets smaller
Philip Hands p...@hands.com writes:
On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 09:00:35 +, Simon McVittie s...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 at 01:43:34 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commitdiff;h=12a362be5c1982f80dbfb75bda070208a2c99cdf
Discuss.
As
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
On Dec 07, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote:
Give everyone at least 10 years headstart to migrate existing systems
away from having a seperate /usr partition and for people to stop making
a seperate /usr on new installs.
Actually, Red Hat's
Igor Pashev pashev.i...@gmail.com writes:
07.12.2011 04:43, Marco d'Itri пиÑеÑ:
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commitdiff;h=12a362be5c1982f80dbfb75bda070208a2c99cdf
Discuss.
I don't see any reason to move all into /usr from /,
and make initrd for minimal system:
On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 10:25:07AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
I guess mounting /usr is no more complicated than mounting / in
initramfs. Finding out what modules and software is needed for that
should be the same code as for /.
That depends. I have some systems where all file systems
On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 at 11:06:46 +0100, Stephan Seitz wrote:
That depends. I have some systems where all file systems except
/boot are encrypted. Since I don’t use Debian kernels and initramfs,
I created a small one myself to ask for the /-partition password.
Now I would have to put the whole
08.12.2011 13:40, Goswin von Brederlow пишет:
Igor Pashevpashev.i...@gmail.com writes:
07.12.2011 04:43, Marco d'Itri пишет:
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commitdiff;h=12a362be5c1982f80dbfb75bda070208a2c99cdf
Discuss.
I don't see any reason to move all into /usr
Stephan Seitz stse+deb...@fsing.rootsland.net writes:
On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 10:25:07AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
I guess mounting /usr is no more complicated than mounting / in
initramfs. Finding out what modules and software is needed for that
should be the same code as for /.
That
Igor Pashev pashev.i...@gmail.com writes:
Goswin, thanks for the explanation.
Now I'm inclined to move all to /usr :-)
We live to serve. :)
I'm kind of undecided. I know eventualy this will just work and have
eliminate all those Hey, I have a strange setup and xyz needs to be in
/ for this
On Wed, 2011-12-07 at 11:34:34 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
I am not really looking forward to keep reverting these changes in my
package, and since Red Hat controls most Linux infrastructure now other
packages will face the same problem.
I might be missing something but given the link your
On Dec 08, Guillem Jover guil...@debian.org wrote:
I am not really looking forward to keep reverting these changes in my
package, and since Red Hat controls most Linux infrastructure now other
packages will face the same problem.
I might be missing something but given the link your posted,
+++ Sune Vuorela [2011-12-07 13:05 +]:
Recovering involved
- a base64 decoder written in shell
- a statically linked busybox
uuencoded and pasted into the console
- overwriting /bin/ln
- /bin/ln /bin/ln /bin/busybox
We all had hardcore geeking fun that afternoon :-)
Wookey
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 at 01:43:34 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commitdiff;h=12a362be5c1982f80dbfb75bda070208a2c99cdf
Discuss.
As far as I can make out, their position is that a separate /usr is now only
supported if you mount it from the initrd -
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commitdiff;h=12a362be5c1982f80dbfb75bda070208a2c99cdf
Discuss.
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ciao,
Marco
Give everyone at least 10 years headstart to migrate existing systems
away from having a seperate /usr partition and for
On Dec 07, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote:
Give everyone at least 10 years headstart to migrate existing systems
away from having a seperate /usr partition and for people to stop making
a seperate /usr on new installs.
Actually, Red Hat's goal *is* to support a separate /usr,
On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 11:34:34AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
Actually, Red Hat's goal *is* to support a separate /usr, they just want
to have the initramfs mount it.
But as was seen in the last discussion, not everyone *has* an initramfs,
because it is not needed in many cases or sometimes
On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 09:00:35 +, Simon McVittie s...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 at 01:43:34 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commitdiff;h=12a362be5c1982f80dbfb75bda070208a2c99cdf
Discuss.
As far as I can make out, their position
07.12.2011 04:43, Marco d'Itri пишет:
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commitdiff;h=12a362be5c1982f80dbfb75bda070208a2c99cdf
Discuss.
I don't see any reason to move all into /usr from /,
and make initrd for minimal system:
Making self-contained initrd is the same problem
On Dec 07, Stephan Seitz stse+deb...@fsing.rootsland.net wrote:
But as was seen in the last discussion, not everyone *has* an
initramfs, because it is not needed in many cases or sometimes even
not supported on the platform.
And as was seen, most of these setups can be modified to support this
On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 01:11:56PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Dec 07, Stephan Seitz stse+deb...@fsing.rootsland.net wrote:
But as was seen in the last discussion, not everyone *has* an
initramfs, because it is not needed in many cases or sometimes even
not supported on the platform.
And as
On Dec 07, Stephan Seitz stse+deb...@fsing.rootsland.net wrote:
Yes, but by the admin, not by Debian, and the admin may not be
interested in adding a new layer of possible failures, because it
works.
And other admins may be interested in the important features which
everything-in-usr supports.
On 12/07/2011 07:03 PM, Philip Hands wrote:
Personally, I think that resorting to rescue media is something of an
admission of defeat, but I'm probably a bit odd ;-)
You're not Phil, I agree with the above statement!
Thomas (zigo)
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On 2011-12-07, Philip Hands p...@hands.com wrote:
Personally, I think that resorting to rescue media is something of an
admission of defeat, but I'm probably a bit odd ;-)
I recent followed a recovery in a irc channel after installing a
wrong-architecture libc on a system. Only access was 2
On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 01:44:28PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Dec 07, Stephan Seitz stse+deb...@fsing.rootsland.net wrote:
Yes, but by the admin, not by Debian, and the admin may not be
interested in adding a new layer of possible failures, because it
works.
And other admins may be
On 12687 March 1977, Marco d'Itri wrote:
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commitdiff;h=12a362be5c1982f80dbfb75bda070208a2c99cdf
Discuss.
Nice link, though using https would be oh-so-much-more-secure.
[BLA]
Maybe you should actually deliver some content to discuss and not
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commitdiff;h=12a362be5c1982f80dbfb75bda070208a2c99cdf
Discuss.
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ciao,
Marco
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