Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-29 Thread Andreas Barth
* GOTO Masanori ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030829 11:05]: I may need to explain the status glibc: [...] The current version is 2.3.2-4. We're working for fixing bugs, some bugs were resolved. Sorry, I didn't want to step on your feet. I know that glibc is a nasty beast, and you're really good at

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-29 Thread GOTO Masanori
At Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:24:15 +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Really? The latest glibc in sarge is from 2003-03-22, and there are currently 1103 packages waiting for glibc. I may need to explain the status glibc: 2003-03-22 glibc is 2.3.1-17. The next version of glibc is 2.3.2-2, which was

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-28 Thread Andreas Barth
* Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030828 03:50]: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We've often had whining here about sid breaking something production critical. Well, sid is not meant to be used for that, but enough people do. (In other words: I don't trust the users enough

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-28 Thread Andreas Barth
* Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030828 13:20]: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Really? The latest glibc in sarge is from 2003-03-22, and there are currently 1103 packages waiting for glibc. What has that got to do with anything? This was the part of the mail were we

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030828 03:50]: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We've often had whining here about sid breaking something production critical. Well, sid is not meant to be used for that, but enough people do.

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-27 Thread Andreas Barth
* Mark Howard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030826 21:35]: On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 03:46:33PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: the system. (And, I don't believe that a proposal with so many changes to the pool and mirror system has a real chance to be implemented.) Why do you need many changes? Because

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-27 Thread Andreas Barth
* Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030826 21:50]: Mark Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 10:25:24AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: So speak up Mark, what do you mean with changed? I meant identifying that bug X was fixed in version Y; packages in

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-27 Thread Andreas Barth
* Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030826 21:50]: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030826 15:20]: Only those contained in the sections enabled on the users system. If you have experimental-core and experimental-gnome all gnome

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-27 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030826 21:50]: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This mass-introduces bugs reports of glibc-bugs to other packages. No, glibc (and the other core parts) must be the most conservative part of If

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 12:18:54AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Mark Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTS Support for tracking when bugs were changed - AFAIK, already been worked on This will be more important when there are a large number

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 07:42:13PM +0100, Mark Howard wrote: Hello, I'm glad to hear so many people agreeing with the RM's plans and even more glad to see so many things being done to make this seem plausible! I'm one of those developers who has cvs and other unrealeasable packages in

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-26 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 10:25:24AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 12:18:54AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Mark Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTS Support for tracking when bugs were changed - AFAIK, already

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 07:42:13PM +0100, Mark Howard wrote: Hello, If we don't rebuild every dependant package in the experimental pool, we need then to have a way to eventually retrigger the build of every dependant package once it reaches unstable.

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-26 Thread Mark Howard
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 10:25:24AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: So speak up Mark, what do you mean with changed? I meant identifying that bug X was fixed in version Y; packages in experimental contain the fix but sid and testing packages do not (yet). I think this feature would be even

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:17:48AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 07:42:13PM +0100, Mark Howard wrote: Hello, If we don't rebuild every dependant package in the experimental pool, we need then to have a way to eventually

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:17:48AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 07:42:13PM +0100, Mark Howard wrote: Hello, If we don't rebuild every dependant package in the experimental pool,

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030826 15:20]: Only those contained in the sections enabled on the users system. If you have experimental-core and experimental-gnome all gnome debs should be comnpiled against the experimental glibc for example. This mass-introduces bugs reports of

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-26 Thread Mark Howard
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 03:46:33PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: the system. (And, I don't believe that a proposal with so many changes to the pool and mirror system has a real chance to be implemented.) Why do you need many changes? All the packages could go in the pool and you'd just need a few

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Mark Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 10:25:24AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: So speak up Mark, what do you mean with changed? I meant identifying that bug X was fixed in version Y; packages in experimental contain the fix but sid and testing packages do not

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030826 15:20]: Only those contained in the sections enabled on the users system. If you have experimental-core and experimental-gnome all gnome debs should be comnpiled against the experimental glibc for

Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-25 Thread Mark Howard
Hello, I'm glad to hear so many people agreeing with the RM's plans and even more glad to see so many things being done to make this seem plausible! I'm one of those developers who has cvs and other unrealeasable packages in sid. I agree with the comments about moving these to experimental,

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Mark Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTS Support for tracking when bugs were changed - AFAIK, already been worked on This will be more important when there are a large number of users/testers using different distributions - sid and experimental. changed? The time since the last message was

Re: Sarge+1: ideas for Experimental V1.2 (or is that 0.2?)

2003-08-25 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 12:18:54AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Mark Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTS Support for tracking when bugs were changed - AFAIK, already been worked on This will be more important when there are a large number of users/testers using different