Upstart and sysvinit in packages - Policy needed

2011-02-14 Thread Marco Amadori
In data Saturday 12 February 2011 05:55:16, Joachim Breitner ha scritto: I included some patches to have nodm gracefully uses the upstart job. Since those patches permits to have both init scripts in the system, no matter if upstart or sysvinit is used, a little more effort is required to

Re: Upstart and sysvinit in packages - Policy needed

2011-02-14 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Marco Amadori] I think it would be interesting for wheezy to easely permit an Admin to choose an alternate init system Sound like a good idea, if it do not give the Debian project a lot of unneeded work. and to permit to package maintainer to carefully provide init script tailored for a

Re: Upstart and sysvinit in packages - Policy needed

2011-02-14 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Montag, den 14.02.2011, 13:57 +0100 schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: I believe we need to come up with a way where most or all package maintainers (perhaps those handling kernel events and early boot stuff should be expected) only need to maintain one boot setup for their package, and this

Re: Upstart and sysvinit in packages - Policy needed

2011-02-14 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Petter Reinholdtsen | I believe we need to come up with a way where most or all package | maintainers (perhaps those handling kernel events and early boot stuff | should be expected) only need to maintain one boot setup for their | package, and this boot setup should be used by all the

Re: Upstart and sysvinit in packages - Policy needed

2011-02-14 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote: ]] Petter Reinholdtsen | I believe we need to come up with a way where most or all package | maintainers (perhaps those handling kernel events and early boot stuff | should be expected) only need to maintain one boot setup

Re: Upstart and sysvinit in packages - Policy needed

2011-02-14 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: That would mean limiting each init system to the limitations of the most limited init system, which would be a sad state of affairs. Also, I Yes. So, we also have to set where we want the low bar. don't believe there's a 1:1 correspondence between

Re: Upstart and sysvinit in packages - Policy needed

2011-02-14 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
a way like metainit? http://wiki.debian.org/MetaInit The project died some two or three years ago and anyone is welcome to try to revive it. Mh it claims it would work only for simple scripts, not for any kind of scripts, so not all the packages could be converted. Bye -- Salvo Tomaselli

Re: Bug#591791: Upstart and sysvinit in packages - Policy needed

2011-02-14 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:17:20AM +0100, Marco Amadori wrote: In data Saturday 12 February 2011 05:55:16, Joachim Breitner ha scritto: I included some patches to have nodm gracefully uses the upstart job. Since those patches permits to have both init scripts in the system, no matter if

Re: Upstart and sysvinit in packages - Policy needed

2011-02-14 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 14, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote: That would mean limiting each init system to the limitations of the most limited init system, which would be a sad state of affairs. Also, I don't believe there's a 1:1 correspondence between the semantics of all the different init systems,

Re: Upstart and sysvinit in packages - Policy needed

2011-02-14 Thread Marco Amadori
On Monday 14 February 2011 20:55:06 Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | I believe we need to come up with a way where most or all package | maintainers (perhaps those handling kernel events and early boot stuff | should be expected) only need to maintain one boot setup for their | package, and this boot

Re: Upstart and sysvinit in packages - Policy needed

2011-02-14 Thread Marco Amadori
On Monday 14 February 2011 21:00:09 Olaf van der Spek wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote: ]] Petter Reinholdtsen | I believe we need to come up with a way where most or all package | maintainers (perhaps those handling kernel events and early boot

Re: Bug#591791: Upstart and sysvinit in packages - Policy needed

2011-02-14 Thread Marco Amadori
On Monday 14 February 2011 21:07:57 Steve Langasek wrote: if [ -e /etc/init/${NAME}.conf ] /sbin/telinit --version /dev/null 21 | grep -qs upstart then exit 0 fi inside the sysvinit init script. This does not appear to be consistent with

Re: Upstart and sysvinit in packages - Policy needed

2011-02-14 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Henrique de Moraes Holschuh | On Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | That would mean limiting each init system to the limitations of the most | limited init system, which would be a sad state of affairs. Also, I | | Yes. So, we also have to set where we want the low bar. I'd

Re: Upstart and sysvinit in packages - Policy needed

2011-02-14 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Montag, den 14.02.2011, 15:38 +0100 schrieb Tollef Fog Heen: ]] Petter Reinholdtsen | I believe we need to come up with a way where most or all package | maintainers (perhaps those handling kernel events and early boot stuff | should be expected) only need to maintain one boot setup