* From: David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:15:08 -0400
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:00:17PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 07:53:30PM -0400, David Nusinow wrote:
The only thing I've ever heard about helping out with the website is that
it's a
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
So consider this a +1 for me to get write access to all DD by default in
our website.
for the content I'm pretty sure that's a good idea. Giving all DDs
access to the css could result in a new design every week. Although that
sounds like an
So consider this a +1 for me to get write access to all DD by default in
our website.
for the content I'm pretty sure that's a good idea. Giving all DDs
access to the css could result in a new design every week. Although that
sounds like an interesting thing to watch ;)
--
Bernd Zeimetz
On Wed, 30 May 2007, Josip Rodin wrote:
Anyway, before we get lost in all this prediction stuff, I'm yet to hear
a good reason why we need complete triviality in the access method, as
opposed to the kind of triviality we have had for years now: all that is
necessary to get webwml access is to
On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 09:06 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2007, Josip Rodin wrote:
Anyway, before we get lost in all this prediction stuff, I'm yet to hear
a good reason why we need complete triviality in the access method, as
opposed to the kind of triviality we have had for
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 07:45:17PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
Anyway, before we get lost in all this prediction stuff, I'm yet to hear
a good reason why we need complete triviality in the access method, as
opposed to the kind of triviality we have had for years now: all that is
necessary to
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:06:06AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Because most people don't bother when they want to fix only a small
detail in a web page.
Well, when I want to fix a small detail in some other part of Debian,
I usually send a mail or file a bug, I don't automatically think that
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 11:44:13AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 07:45:17PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
Anyway, before we get lost in all this prediction stuff, I'm yet to hear
a good reason why we need complete triviality in the access method, as
opposed to the kind of
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:15:08PM -0400, David Nusinow wrote:
The only thing I've ever heard about helping out with the website is that
it's a herculean task that no mere mortal should attempt.
Where did you hear this?
Word of mouth, usually in conjunction with promises that the
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:29:01AM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
But I did the effort of finding the procedure and asking for cvs commit
access to the webwml files. To my surprise I got the access granted
within 24 hours.
Truth be told, you were reasonably lucky to get Matt's ACK and Joey's
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 03:15:31AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
If I already have access and I get an itch, I will scratch it. If I
don't, I will either forget about it or complain. I am unlikely to go
through whatever bureaucracy is set up to request access. Whether or
not this is
On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 11:58:54PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
and the debian-www team is recovering from the
shock that HTML 4.01 has been released recently and that CSS2 is almost
stable (err wait, I wasn't reading my calendar properly, we're in 2007
not 1997, sorry).
Why
On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 07:53:30PM -0400, David Nusinow wrote:
The only thing I've ever heard about helping out with the website is that
it's a herculean task that no mere mortal should attempt.
Where did you hear this?
How does all that documentation we have had for years at
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 07:54:34PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 11:58:54PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
and the debian-www team is recovering from the
shock that HTML 4.01 has been released recently and that CSS2 is almost
stable (err wait, I wasn't reading my
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 02:10:09PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
How were things working in the debian-glibc CVS? Did accidents or hot
discussions hapen because of the very opened commit access?
No more so than happens today with the more closed SVN repo.
But it's not necessarily an indicative
On Tuesday 29 May 2007 20:01, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
What was unfair wasn't to say debian-www has issues, it was to put it
on the same level than DSA, and for that I appology to the member of
the www team
Thx.
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On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:30:23PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
It's not unfair to say that web editing is by and large much a easier thing
compared to coding the C library. Consequently, the number of people who
know how to do it, as well as the people who *think* they know how to do it,
is much
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 06:37:45PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
It's not unfair to say that web editing is by and large much a easier thing
compared to coding the C library. Consequently, the number of people who
know how to do it, as well as the people who *think* they know how to do it,
is
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 01:02:12AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
Anyway, before we get lost in all this prediction stuff, I'm yet to hear
a good reason why we need complete triviality in the access method, as
opposed to the kind of triviality we have had for years now: all that is
necessary to get
On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 11:56:12AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
Yes, you simply submit a bug report with a patch, and wait for a couple
of year for it to be applied.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkgdata=www.debian.orgarchive=noversion=dist=unstableinclude=patch
That's
Francesco P. Lovergine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 11:56:12AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
Yes, you simply submit a bug report with a patch, and wait for a couple
of year for it to be applied.
So make the www repo writable by group Debian just like debian-glibc CVS
used to be.
That sounds to be a fair suggestion. I suppose that changes are
posted somewhere (debian-www?) so accidents should be easy to
avoid/revert.
What would be the risks? A commit/revert war like the one we
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 02:13:47AM +0200, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday 27 May 2007 01:53, David Nusinow wrote:
The only thing I've ever heard about helping out with the website is
that it's a herculean task that no mere mortal should attempt.
Yes, a complete redesign of the
On Sun, 27 May 2007, Frans Pop wrote:
Yes, a complete redesign of the website is a herculean task, but
contributing to specific pages or parts is trivial. OTOH, I expect that
for a webdesign professional even a redesign would be quite manageable as
AFAICT the technical structure of the website
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 11:35:26AM +0200, Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2007, Frans Pop wrote:
Yes, a complete redesign of the website is a herculean task, but
contributing to specific pages or parts is trivial. OTOH, I expect that
for a webdesign professional even a
On Sun, 27 May 2007, Mike Hommey wrote:
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 11:35:26AM +0200, Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2007, Frans Pop wrote:
Yes, a complete redesign of the website is a herculean task, but
contributing to specific pages or parts is trivial. OTOH, I
On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 11:58:54PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 11:20:53PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
On Saturday 26 May 2007 23:07, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
and the debian-www team is recovering from the
shock that HTML 4.01 has been released recently and that CSS2
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 11:35:26AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2007, Frans Pop wrote:
Yes, a complete redesign of the website is a herculean task, but
contributing to specific pages or parts is trivial. OTOH, I expect that
for a webdesign professional even a redesign would be
On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 13:31 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 11:58:54PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 11:20:53PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
On Saturday 26 May 2007 23:07, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
and the debian-www team is recovering from the
maybe you can use the debianart.org platform.
Dom, 2007-05-27 às 09:30 -0400, Kevin Mark escreveu:
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 11:35:26AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2007, Frans Pop wrote:
Yes, a complete redesign of the website is a herculean task, but
contributing to
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 08:13:37AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
How were things working in the debian-glibc CVS? Did accidents or hot
discussions hapen because of the very opened commit access?
No more so than happens today with the more closed SVN repo.
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On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 04:00:10PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 13:31 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
What you're saying here appears to be that you find Frans' response
unhelpful and unconstructive.
I didn't read it that way. I think that Pierre meant to say that
* Raphael Hertzog ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070526 21:52]:
In order to try to address that I started a wiki page whose goal is to be a
good introductory page to all teams. Anyone who wants to learn more about
some teams should be able to consult the page and have an idea of what
he/she could do to
On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 10:13:51PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
* Raphael Hertzog ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070526 21:52]:
In order to try to address that I started a wiki page whose goal is to be a
good introductory page to all teams. Anyone who wants to learn more about
some teams should be
On Sat, 26 May 2007, Andreas Barth wrote:
* Raphael Hertzog ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070526 21:52]:
In order to try to address that I started a wiki page whose goal is to be a
good introductory page to all teams. Anyone who wants to learn more about
some teams should be able to consult the page
On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 10:54:06PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2007, Andreas Barth wrote:
* Raphael Hertzog ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070526 21:52]:
In order to try to address that I started a wiki page whose goal is to be
a
good introductory page to all teams. Anyone who
On Saturday 26 May 2007 23:07, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
and the debian-www team is recovering from the
shock that HTML 4.01 has been released recently and that CSS2 is almost
stable (err wait, I wasn't reading my calendar properly, we're in 2007
not 1997, sorry).
Why don't you join the team?
On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 11:20:53PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
On Saturday 26 May 2007 23:07, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
and the debian-www team is recovering from the
shock that HTML 4.01 has been released recently and that CSS2 is almost
stable (err wait, I wasn't reading my calendar properly,
On Saturday 26 May 2007 23:58, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
So well, sorry, but I don't see why I should be part of every
mis-functioning team in Debian to have the right to say they do a poor
job.
Constructive criticism is welcome; ridiculing only shows a bad attitude by
the person who does it.
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 12:11:03AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
However, I do feel my comment is justified in the sense that if there is
one thing in Debian that is the joint responsibility of _all_ DDs, then
it is the website. So yes, if you've never contributed in any way to the
website, feel
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 12:11:03AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
However, I do feel my comment is justified in the sense that if there is
one thing in Debian that is the joint responsibility of _all_ DDs, then
it is the website. So yes, if you've never contributed in any way to the
website, feel
On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 06:22:08PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 12:11:03AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
However, I do feel my comment is justified in the sense that if there is
one thing in Debian that is the joint responsibility of _all_ DDs, then
it is the website. So
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 12:11:03AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
What you fail to see is that there is not really such a thing as the www
team. Basically there are a bunch of people with commit access who all
mostly just care about a particular part of the website.
For some this is the technical
On Sunday 27 May 2007 01:53, David Nusinow wrote:
The only thing I've ever heard about helping out with the website is
that it's a herculean task that no mere mortal should attempt.
Yes, a complete redesign of the website is a herculean task, but
contributing to specific pages or parts is
The wiki is completely centered on English and therefore fails to serve a
significant portion of our users. Sure, parts of the wiki are translated,
but maintenance of that is an orders of magnitude worse problem than it
is for the website.
As far as I'm concerned the wiki is not a valid
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