Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-11 Thread Felipe Sateler
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:08:38 +, Simon McVittie wrote: On 10/11/14 02:59, Christian Hofstaedtler wrote: I vaguely remember PolicyKit being involved in the daemon situation, when mpd tries to talk to a pulseaudio server which magically gets spawned PolicyKit is typically (only?) used

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-11 Thread Simon McVittie
On 11/11/14 13:04, Felipe Sateler wrote: I'm not sure if it is PolicyKit or a related service (old documentation suggests it was ConsoleKit, nowadays it should be logind?), but /dev/snd/ * get ACLs added for the currently logged in users Yes, that's exactly what I said a couple of mails ago

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-11 Thread Felipe Sateler
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 14:41:01 +, Simon McVittie wrote: On 11/11/14 13:04, Felipe Sateler wrote: I'm not sure if it is PolicyKit or a related service (old documentation suggests it was ConsoleKit, nowadays it should be logind?), but /dev/snd/ * get ACLs added for the currently logged in

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-10 Thread Simon McVittie
On 10/11/14 02:59, Christian Hofstaedtler wrote: I vaguely remember PolicyKit being involved in the daemon situation, when mpd tries to talk to a pulseaudio server which magically gets spawned PolicyKit is typically (only?) used when a less-privileged process, typically a user interface,

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-10 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
I would assume the way to go forward would be to report a bug on this? I have a faint memory of there already being one, but I couldn't find it anywhere. Also, my last bug report got closed - and I'm not even sure what to report it against (base?). Perhaps someone else would be more competent at

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-09 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014, at 02:58 AM, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Oct 27, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: Ok, so you are for removing audio group from user default groups? Eventually, yes. So, who determined that audio group will not be used as a default user group in Debian, and when

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-09 Thread Simon McVittie
On 09/11/14 13:53, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: So, who determined that audio group will not be used as a default user group in Debian As far as I know, nobody yet. Marco was expressing what he thinks should happen in future, not what has happened already. I agree with his opinion on this. and when you

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-09 Thread Ralf Jung
Hi, On the other hand, it would break typical uses of using sound remotely. These days, shared computers are almost unheard of save for some school settings -- while loads of people have some raspi mediacenter or press some buttons on their phone to control sound coming from the big computer.

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-09 Thread Christian Hofstaedtler
* Ralf Jung p...@ralfj.de [141109 17:02]: Hi, On the other hand, it would break typical uses of using sound remotely. These days, shared computers are almost unheard of save for some school settings -- while loads of people have some raspi mediacenter or press some buttons on their

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-09 Thread Simon McVittie
On 09/11/14 23:34, Christian Hofstaedtler wrote: On the other hand, it would break typical uses of using sound remotely. This usually happens via UPnP or similar, though - the actual audio is ultimately done by a local user. So the audio group is unrelated to this usecase. It very much is,

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-09 Thread Christian Hofstaedtler
* Simon McVittie s...@debian.org [141110 00:55]: On 09/11/14 23:34, Christian Hofstaedtler wrote: On the other hand, it would break typical uses of using sound remotely. This usually happens via UPnP or similar, though - the actual audio is ultimately done by a local user. So the audio

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-10-30 Thread Tobias Frost
Am Mittwoch, den 29.10.2014, 23:25 +0100 schrieb Ralf Jung: Hi, Marco d'Itri: On Oct 27, Tobias Frost t...@frost.de wrote: Ok, so you are for removing audio group from user default groups? Eventually, yes. Did you mean maybe or for sure, someone s/someone/sometime/ No.

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-10-29 Thread Ralf Jung
Hi, Marco d'Itri: On Oct 27, Tobias Frost t...@frost.de wrote: Ok, so you are for removing audio group from user default groups? Eventually, yes. Did you mean maybe or for sure, someone s/someone/sometime/ No. Then what *did* you mean? Well, probably the correct English meaning of

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-10-27 Thread Tobias Frost
Am Montag, den 27.10.2014, 02:58 +0100 schrieb Marco d'Itri: On Oct 27, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: Ok, so you are for removing audio group from user default groups? Eventually, yes. Did you mean maybe or for sure, someone Just to avoid an (common) non-native* error: eventually

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-10-27 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Oct 27, Tobias Frost t...@frost.de wrote: Ok, so you are for removing audio group from user default groups? Eventually, yes. Did you mean maybe or for sure, someone No. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-10-27 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Marco d'Itri: On Oct 27, Tobias Frost t...@frost.de wrote: Ok, so you are for removing audio group from user default groups? Eventually, yes. Did you mean maybe or for sure, someone s/someone/sometime/ No. Then what *did* you mean? -- -- Matthias Urlichs -- To

What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-10-26 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
Hi. I'm the project leader for Ubuntu Studio and a prospective Debian developer. My work tends to focus mostly on multimedia production related topics, and specifically audio production. My main objective right now is just to try making audio production easier for regular users, and this is

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-10-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Oct 26, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: I did find some explanations on the usage of it on this page, under 'Should users be in the audio group?' http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/PerfectSetup/, and from what I can determine, Debian would then

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-10-26 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014, at 11:36 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Oct 26, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: I did find some explanations on the usage of it on this page, under 'Should users be in the audio group?'

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-10-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Oct 27, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: Ok, so you are for removing audio group from user default groups? Eventually, yes. Would these be able to be tagged with seat as you mention? Actually the correct tag is uaccess, and /lib/udev/rules.d/70-uaccess.rules will already do it for