Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-04 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 08:32:59AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: - - requests by the author of a post for that post not to be published - will be honoured; + - If the author makes a resonable case that some material is + sensitive, then that material is redacted from that post and

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-02 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, Jérôme Marant wrote: - the list of posts to be declassified will be made available to developers two weeks before publication, so that the decisions Two weeks is too short to review, IMO. I didn't read that as a hard time limit between announcement and publication, but rather as

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-02 Thread Paul Hedderly
My biggest problem with all this is that it's gonna mean a lot of work - for the 'declassifying team' and for people who want to be bothered about commenting on the process is respect of particular email. Thats time that I feel could be better spent. I do understand the motives... -- Paul On

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:35:28 +1000, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au said: (Followups to -vote) On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 08:30:37AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: The primary reason for this is that the existing messages were sent to debian-private with an expectation of privacy. As

Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Rationale: I have been thinking about the kinds of reasons for not wanting to have a post to -private published. I came up with two major (reasonable) scenarios: a) The post contained sensitive material. In this case, if a reasonable case has been made for the

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Jérôme Marant
Quoting Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * The team will automatically declassify and publish posts made to that list that are three or more years old, with the following exceptions: - the author and other individuals quoted in messages being reviewed will be

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Simon Richter
Hello, Jérôme Marant wrote: What is this supposed to mean? If no comments have been made by the author for eight weeks, messages will be automatically declassified? It looks like a kind of opt out to me. True. It may be an idea to have another proposed amendment reversing the logic, and see

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Thursday 01 December 2005 15.32, Manoj Srivastava wrote: +   - If the author indicates he does not wish to be associated with a +     post, any identifying information is redacted from that post, +     and any quotes in subsequent posts, but the rest of the material +     is published.

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Joey Hess
Manoj Srivastava wrote: a) The post contained sensitive material. In this case, if a reasonable case has been made for the material being sensitive, and one that the declassification teams accepted, then the material should be redacted from the post, and

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Joey Hess
Here are the urls I didn't find for my other post: http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/nb/nb.cgi/view/vitanuova/2005/03/13/0 http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/sec2000/full_papers/rao/rao.pdf http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/NewsBruiser-2.6.1/nb.cgi/view/vitanuova/2005/04/06/0

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Jérôme Marant
Simon Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, Jérôme Marant wrote: What is this supposed to mean? If no comments have been made by the author for eight weeks, messages will be automatically declassified? It looks like a kind of opt out to me. True. It may be an idea to have another

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Robert Collins
On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 08:32 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, ... - the author and other individuals quoted in messages being reviewed will be contacted, and allowed between four and eight weeks to comment; I think the default behaviour should be to keep the post private,

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Dave Holland
On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 08:30:37AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: I think the default behaviour should be to keep the post private, not to open it up. That is, if the author and other individuals do not reply, the message is kept hidden. The primary reason for this is that the existing

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 09:56:48PM +, Dave Holland wrote: On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 08:30:37AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: I think the default behaviour should be to keep the post private, not to open it up. That is, if the author and other individuals do not reply, the message is kept

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Qui, 2005-12-01 às 08:32 -0600, Manoj Srivastava escreveu: a) The post contained sensitive material. In this case, if a reasonable case has been made for the material being sensitive, and one that the declassification teams accepted, then the material should be

Proposal for *Real* Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Daniel Ruoso
As dicussion follows, I decided to formalize a proposal for a real declassification of the content on -private. As I said before, if we're going to choose which material is made public, we can't call it declassification. The main points are: 1) Everything except financial information about

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Anthony Towns
(Followups to -vote) On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 08:30:37AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: The primary reason for this is that the existing messages were sent to debian-private with an expectation of privacy. As Matthew pointed out in [0] this expectation of privacy isn't really that strong,

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Robert Collins
On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 12:35 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: (Followups to -vote) On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 08:30:37AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: The primary reason for this is that the existing messages were sent to debian-private with an expectation of privacy. As Matthew pointed out in

debian-private archives

1997-12-01 Thread Christian Meder
Hi, as my email is still not added to debian-private (I don't want to bug anyone) and it's election time I would like to ask some kind soul to send me the archives of the last two months of debian-private (need some background material for voting :-) If possible please in the next couple of days