Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-16 Thread Jonas Gall
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:58:55 -0800, Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 05:30:50AM +0100, Jonas Gall wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:04:40 -0800, Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently you missed the flamage when Mozilla's maintainer went insane and

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-15 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 05:30:50AM +0100, Jonas Gall wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:04:40 -0800, Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently you missed the flamage when Mozilla's maintainer went insane and started requiring it. :) That were the days of Xprint release 008 which was not a

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-14 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 05:16:09PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: It is *always* a good idea to use it if you can get it to work (and with CUPS, setting the DPI correctly is usually all it takes). I think you mean setting the DIP *incorrectly* is all it takes, as you usually have to

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-14 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 07:37:16PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Otavio Salvador wrote: Not really. Like you did remember, exist some language that need it for printing and in this case i think it should be included. What languages (and why)? He may be referring to how poorly Mozilla supports

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-14 Thread Marc Wilson
On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 11:59:37AM +1100, Drew Parsons wrote: Finn-Arne Johansen wrote: I removed the xprint dependencies in debian-edu, cause it does not work out of the box, and it's confusing. Printing using cups works, both with mozilla (suite) and OOo. Xprint works perfectly fine

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-14 Thread Jonas Gall
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:04:40 -0800, Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 11:59:37AM +1100, Drew Parsons wrote: Finn-Arne Johansen wrote: I removed the xprint dependencies in debian-edu, cause it does not work out of the box, and it's confusing. Printing using cups

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-11 Thread Finn-Arne Johansen
Drew Parsons wrote: Finn-Arne Johansen wrote: I removed the xprint dependencies in debian-edu, cause it does not work out of the box, and it's confusing. Printing using cups works, both with mozilla (suite) and OOo. Xprint works perfectly fine out of the box. Well I'm sure it does, But when I

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-11 Thread Mowgli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hoi, I think, xprt is another boring unnecesary daemon. It only eat up resources most of the time. Wy the hell should it be necesary to run two daemons for one job? Also (on my environment) all printing works fine without it. If there are several

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-11 Thread Frank Küster
reassign 296565 xprt-xprintorg retitle 296565 Xprt: Does not work at all in mozilla thanks Drew Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finn-Arne Johansen wrote: I removed the xprint dependencies in debian-edu, cause it does not work out of the box, and it's confusing. Printing using cups works,

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-11 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fre, 11 Mär 2005, Drew Parsons wrote: Xprint works perfectly fine out of the box. There are several bug reports, some of them I have contributed to, but I guess some of them are filed against mozilla and not xprint, which in fact was an error: 263558 and then there are some more problems

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-11 Thread Jim Gettys
Note that while my opinion matches Keith Packard's (we'd like to see xprint go away, but there are also dependencies on it), Roland Maintz has done much work to improve its behavior in the recent X.org X releases. Of course, Debian is still stuck in the past, while pretty much the rest of the

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-11 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fre, 11 Mär 2005, Jim Gettys wrote: Note that while my opinion matches Keith Packard's (we'd like to see xprint go away, but there are also dependencies on it), Roland Maintz So what is the recommended way for sarge (I myself use sid for my private stuff, but for our institutes diskless

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-11 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 09:18:19PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Like I said at the head of this thread I explicitly added xprt-xprintorg to the deaktop task on user request. However, nothing I've seen so far seems to be a solid reason to keep it. OTOH, if the high priority debconf question goes

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-11 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 09:18:19PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Like I said at the head of this thread I explicitly added xprt-xprintorg to the deaktop task on user request. However, nothing I've seen so far seems to be a solid reason to keep it. OTOH, if the high priority debconf question goes

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-11 Thread Andreas Barth
* Torsten Landschoff ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050311 22:55]: On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 09:18:19PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Like I said at the head of this thread I explicitly added xprt-xprintorg to the deaktop task on user request. However, nothing I've seen so far seems to be a solid reason to

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-11 Thread Drew Parsons
Torsten wrote: Why doesn't that option default to 600dpi anyway? Don't think there are many people out there who can see the difference between 600 and 1200 dpi... It does default to 600dpi. There are certain printers however which cannot handle data designed for their specific designated

is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-10 Thread Joey Hess
Back history: I added xprt-xprintorg to the desktop task at the end of January after receiving bug #226605 which stated that More and more applications like Firebird, Thunderbird, Mozilla, Java, Openoffice and more need it so the default Debian desktop and print server installations should

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-10 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Joey Hess wrote: painful to the installation team, I mostly wanted to ask: Is xprintorg still needed to print from mozilla, openoffice, firefox, etc, or has that been cleared up since january? Should I remove xprt-xprintorg from the desktop task again? It is not

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-10 Thread Martin Orr
On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 02:45:35PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Anyway, besides illistrating why new debconf questions can be pretty painful to the installation team, I mostly wanted to ask: Is xprintorg still needed to print from mozilla, openoffice, firefox, etc, or has that been cleared up since

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-10 Thread Keith Packard
Around 14 o'clock on Mar 10, Joey Hess wrote: Back history: I added xprt-xprintorg to the desktop task at the end of January after receiving bug #226605 which stated that More and more applications like Firebird, Thunderbird, Mozilla, Java, Openoffice and more need it so the default

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-10 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Otavio Salvador wrote: The problem is larger then that. Leave it on task will require update of installation manual and update of all translations too. Then we are best served by removing it. It is suggested, anyway... -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-10 Thread Finn-Arne Johansen
On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 02:45:35PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Back history: I added xprt-xprintorg to the desktop task at the end of January after receiving bug #226605 which stated that More and more applications like Firebird, Thunderbird, Mozilla, Java, Openoffice and more need it so the

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-10 Thread Otavio Salvador
|| On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:16:09 -0300 || Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hdmh On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Joey Hess wrote: painful to the installation team, I mostly wanted to ask: Is xprintorg still needed to print from mozilla, openoffice, firefox, etc, or has that been

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-10 Thread Otavio Salvador
|| On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:13:46 -0300 || Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hdmh On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Otavio Salvador wrote: The problem is larger then that. Leave it on task will require update of installation manual and update of all translations too. hdmh Then we are best

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-10 Thread Otavio Salvador
|| On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:56:46 -0800 || Keith Packard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kp Around 14 o'clock on Mar 10, Joey Hess wrote: Back history: I added xprt-xprintorg to the desktop task at the end of January after receiving bug #226605 which stated that More and more applications like

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-10 Thread Joey Hess
Otavio Salvador wrote: Not really. Like you did remember, exist some language that need it for printing and in this case i think it should be included. What languages (and why)? -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-10 Thread Otavio Salvador
|| On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:37:16 -0500 || Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jh Otavio Salvador wrote: Not really. Like you did remember, exist some language that need it for printing and in this case i think it should be included. jh What languages (and why)? Like Henrique, I don't remember

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-10 Thread Drew Parsons
Finn-Arne Johansen wrote: I removed the xprint dependencies in debian-edu, cause it does not work out of the box, and it's confusing. Printing using cups works, both with mozilla (suite) and OOo. Xprint works perfectly fine out of the box. I don't remember receiving a bug report from you.

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-10 Thread Drew Parsons
Joey Hess wrote: Otavio Salvador wrote: Not really. Like you did remember, exist some language that need it for printing and in this case i think it should be included. What languages (and why)? Xprint provides two (related) services, currently made use of by the mozillas and others.

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-10 Thread Joey Hess
Drew Parsons wrote: The desktop task depends on x-window-system-core, not x-window-system, and therefore shouldn't be hauling in Xprint. Like I said at the head of this thread I explicitly added xprt-xprintorg to the deaktop task on user request. However, nothing I've seen so far seems to be a

Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?

2005-03-10 Thread Keith Packard
Around 12 o'clock on Mar 11, Drew Parsons wrote: Keith said Xprint is increasingly irrelevant, but I'm not aware how this language issue can be satisfactorily solved without Xprint. Mozilla is currently integrating Pango support for complex text layout issues; using that for printing would