more tolerant licensing for Debian infrastructure

2005-11-03 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
[was Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program] On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Matthew Garrett wrote: Remember that dpkg is GPLed, so there's a slightly awkward bootstrapping issue. This reminds me of an issue which I feel needs change but I've never felt worked up enough to do anything about.

Re: more tolerant licensing for Debian infrastructure

2005-11-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2005-11-03 kello 11:06 -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas kirjoitti: I submit anything written specifically for the Debian Project should either have some more permissive yet DFSG-compliant license or at the most GPL + an exemption for linking to other DFSG compliant software. One of Debian's main

Re: more tolerant licensing for Debian infrastructure

2005-11-03 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: [was Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program] On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Matthew Garrett wrote: Remember that dpkg is GPLed, so there's a slightly awkward bootstrapping issue. This reminds me of an issue which I feel needs change but I've never felt worked up

Re: more tolerant licensing for Debian infrastructure

2005-11-03 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005, Thiemo Seufer wrote: Is there any source with a copyright assignment for The Debian Project? You mean to SPI? No. On purpose, I'd say. Those of us who would assign over copyright of our works would probably do so to the FSF, but that's IMHO. -- One disk to rule them

Re: more tolerant licensing for Debian infrastructure

2005-11-03 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Thiemo Seufer wrote: Why do programs written specifically for Debian such as dpkg or apt, have a license which is not compatible with some other DFSG-compliant licenses? Because the authors chose so. Obviously. But the question was why they chose to do so when it goes

Re: more tolerant licensing for Debian infrastructure

2005-11-03 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Lars Wirzenius wrote: to, 2005-11-03 kello 11:06 -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas kirjoitti: I submit anything written specifically for the Debian Project should either have some more permissive yet DFSG-compliant license or at the most GPL + an exemption for linking to other DFSG

Re: more tolerant licensing for Debian infrastructure

2005-11-03 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] I strongly suggest we continue the current practice where the authors get to choose their license as they wish. Of course there is no other way we _can_ go. If somebody decides to write cool, useful OS infrastructure software and license it under the

Re: more tolerant licensing for Debian infrastructure

2005-11-03 Thread Dalibor Topic
Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Thiemo Seufer wrote: Why do programs written specifically for Debian such as dpkg or apt, have a license which is not compatible with some other DFSG-compliant licenses? Because the authors chose so. Obviously. But the question was why they

Re: more tolerant licensing for Debian infrastructure

2005-11-03 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Dalibor Topic wrote: They can't have deliberately chosen the GPL to be incompatible with a DFSG-(non?)compliant CDDL for two reasons: I was not specifically referring to the CDDL. There are other non-GPL compatible free software licenses. I strongly agree that if the

Re: more tolerant licensing for Debian infrastructure

2005-11-03 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Thiemo Seufer wrote: Why do programs written specifically for Debian such as dpkg or apt, have a license which is not compatible with some other DFSG-compliant licenses? Because the authors chose so. Obviously. But the

Re: more tolerant licensing for Debian infrastructure

2005-11-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously. But the question was why they chose to do so when it goes against the spirit of the DFSG? I disagree. It does not go against the spirit of the DFSG. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: more tolerant licensing for Debian infrastructure

2005-11-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Jaldhar H Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I strongly agree that if the CDDL is non-DFSG free then we should not make any compromises. If however it or any other otherwise DFSG-compliant license is merely GPL incompatible then we (or rather they who hold copyright) ought to consider it.

Re: more tolerant licensing for Debian infrastructure

2005-11-03 Thread David Nusinow
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 12:01:46PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: I haven't heard anything about the CDDL that would cause me to argue against inclusion of CDDL-covered software in the archive, for instance. (It's possible that it isn't DFSG-free in some obscure way -- I haven't investigated it

Re: more tolerant licensing for Debian infrastructure

2005-11-03 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Thiemo Seufer wrote: Why do programs written specifically for Debian such as dpkg or apt, have a license which is not compatible with some other DFSG-compliant licenses? Because the authors chose so. Obviously. But the question was why they

Re: more tolerant licensing for Debian infrastructure

2005-11-03 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Thiemo Seufer wrote: Obviously. But the question was why they chose to do so when it goes against the spirit of the DFSG? You really want to claim the GPL violates the spirit of the DFSG? Ok because Henning made the same mistake in comprehension let me clarify. What I

Re: more tolerant licensing for Debian infrastructure

2005-11-03 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I was saying is that licensing _only_ under the GPL violates the spirit of the DFSG because the DFSG specifically also allows for software licenses which are not GPL compatible to be considered free. What you are saying is still wrong. The

Re: more tolerant licensing for Debian infrastructure

2005-11-03 Thread Ken Bloom
Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: [was Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program] On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Matthew Garrett wrote: Remember that dpkg is GPLed, so there's a slightly awkward bootstrapping issue. This reminds me of an issue which I feel needs change but I've never felt worked up