On 24-Apr-03, 13:31 (CDT), Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
when did windows become the native OS on x86?
Just to be difficult: The original OS for the IBM PC was DOS[1], and
if you track the lineage, I think it's fair to call Windows the native
OS for that architecture.
And when did
On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 09:08:03AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
On 24-Apr-03, 13:31 (CDT), Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
when did windows become the native OS on x86?
Just to be difficult: The original OS for the IBM PC was DOS[1], and
if you track the lineage, I think it's
* LapTop006
| I use both Mutt and OE to read my E-mail (mostly mutt). The one feature
| OE has (on both mac and windows) that NO other client I've seen matches
| (Mozilla 1.0 came close, haven't tried since then) is its support for
| offline IMAP.
use isync or something similar? Or try gnus
On 21-Apr-03, 21:16 (CDT), John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don Armstrong writes:
I (apparently incorrectly) presumed that debconf was also intended to
allow for the eventual automation of replicated Debian installations.
I distinctly remember reading exactly that.
I remember that
* Joey Hess
| Hmm, you might have to do something mildly tricky with the limits stuff;
| if the user did not turn it on you would have to manage
| commenting/uncommenting the lines in the config file. Still seems quite
| doable.
db_get mailman/gate_news || true
if [ $RET = no ]; then
On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 08:58, LapTop006 wrote:
I use both Mutt and OE to read my E-mail (mostly mutt). The one feature
OE has (on both mac and windows) that NO other client I've seen matches
(Mozilla 1.0 came close, haven't tried since then) is its support for
offline IMAP.
Try Mac OS X's Mail
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 12:12:38PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
cvsd.conf is a trivial config file to parse and modify from what I can
see.
port=`sed -n 's/^Port *\([^ ]*\).*$/\1/p' /etc/cvsd/cvsd.conf`
That's a reasonable way to get any value from it. I'm glad you do this
What about
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 04:01:35AM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 08:58, LapTop006 wrote:
I use both Mutt and OE to read my E-mail (mostly mutt). The one feature
OE has (on both mac and windows) that NO other client I've seen matches
(Mozilla 1.0 came close, haven't
On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:16:08 -0500, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Don Armstrong writes:
I (apparently incorrectly) presumed that debconf was also intended to
allow for the eventual automation of replicated Debian installations.
I distinctly remember reading exactly that.
And I have
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 10:24:01AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
This looks like it may be due to a bug (or incompatibility) in zsh. Do you
have /bin/sh set to zsh? I have some strange results if I use zsh to
process the postinst. I'll do some more testing. Somehow the result of the
'GET
Jesus Climent wrote:
How much of POSIX compliant is dash? I have not been able to reproduce your
abcde bugs [1] [2] by using ksh/sh/bash in POSIX mode.
Well I think the abcde bugs are probably dash bugs. But aside from bugs
it's as posix compliant as anything else in debian, as far as that
I demand that Joey Hess may or may not have written...
[snip]
You may choose to remove the chroot jail but you will also
loose all the repositories inside the chroot jail. If you have not
| backed up your repositories you want to keep, do not remove it now;
| manually remove it later once
Apologies, 'reply-all' is not clever enough in Outlook Express to
evaluate the sender preference on being copied on list emails. Any
suggestions for a MUA that can perform this feat are appreciated.
Any mailer that honours the Mail-Followup-To: header that I set would do
nicely. There are
True, however it seems clear that he is not running Debian.
This is the case as you have noticed.
(the irony is almost too much to bear)
Why? I have 5 PC's here (at home) and 4 of them run Debian (mixture of
stable, testing and unstable). I have one Windows box that I use for email
and web
No offence taken. I joined when Debian wasn't run by anal
retentives. Sure there was the whole free software part - but not
the SS Nazi version of free software that is being prompted
recently. I have to say that I'm beginning to think that your
assessment is right and I should find a
On ma, 2003-04-21 at 13:03, Matt Ryan wrote:
As another developer has pointed out, I'm not running Debian on this box.
There are plenty of other email clients for Windows, but I suspect that all
of them are going to be somewhat lax in following follow-up headers in
email.
I would like to
I would like to point out that support for the Mail-Followup-To header
is not required. It is sufficient that the mail client lets you edit the
headers before sending the mail. This works in all mail clients I'm
aware of, even if some of them make things a bit awkward.
Trouble is I need to
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 12:07:24PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
Trouble is I need to know what the sender of the email, I'm replying to,
wanted in regards to getting copies of the response to both list and direct.
One could manually parse the email headers and set the reply appropriately
but this
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 11:08:04AM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote (and CC'd me):
(the irony is almost too much to bear)
Why? I have 5 PC's here (at home) and 4 of them run Debian (mixture of
stable, testing and unstable). I have one Windows box that I use for email
and web browsing as I happen to
I use both Mutt and OE to read my E-mail (mostly mutt). The one feature
OE has (on both mac and windows) that NO other client I've seen matches
(Mozilla 1.0 came close, haven't tried since then) is its support for
offline IMAP. This e-mail comes to you via putty on my laptop being
NAT'd via my
Matt Ryan (2003-04-21 11:03:49 +0100) :
Again, if anyone knows of another client that supports both
requirements I'll give it a go.
A good mail client that works on Windows, provides IMAP and obeys
standard headers? I suggest Gnus. It does all that, and more.
Roland.
--
Roland Mas
Sauvez
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 11:03:03AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Denis Barbier wrote:
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 07:14:19PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Enough already.
Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong
in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will
* Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Matt Ryan (2003-04-21 11:03:49 +0100) :
Again, if anyone knows of another client that supports both
requirements I'll give it a go.
A good mail client that works on Windows, provides IMAP and obeys
standard headers? I suggest Gnus. It does all that, and
On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:07:24 +0100, Matt Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I would like to point out that support for the Mail-Followup-To
header is not required. It is sufficient that the mail client lets
you edit the headers before sending the mail. This works in all
mail clients I'm aware of,
On 19-Apr-03, 11:44 (CDT), David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From debconf-devel(8): low: Very trivial items that have defaults that
will work in the vast majority of cases; oinly control freaks see
these.
From Debian policy, 11.7.3, regarding how to achieve the requirement of
not
On 20-Apr-03, 21:14 (CDT), Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Windows-centric? FFS, where do you think the term registry /comes/
from?
While the term registry comes from Windows, it's worth noting that AIX
had the equivalent ('object manager') (which has nothing to do with OOP)
long
On Mon Apr 21, 10:05am -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
On 19-Apr-03, 11:44 (CDT), David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From debconf-devel(8): low: Very trivial items that have defaults that
will work in the vast majority of cases; oinly control freaks see
these.
If you have a
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 03:49:43PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote:
[...]
Honestly you should not be so upset by these debconf abuses about
configuration files overwriting, this is a difficult issue and AFAICT
documentation does not help.
Correction, debconf-devel(7) explains how to do it right, it
On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Steve Greenland wrote:
If you have a package that is asking only medium and lower priority
debconf questions, then debconf should not be used at all.
I (apparently incorrectly) presumed that debconf was also intended to
allow for the eventual automation of replicated Debian
Don Armstrong writes:
I (apparently incorrectly) presumed that debconf was also intended to
allow for the eventual automation of replicated Debian installations.
I distinctly remember reading exactly that.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:47:26 -0500, Steve Langasek
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Um, no. *Policy* says that it may not be used as a registry.
This has always prompted me to ask myself _why_ debconf entries are
persistent then. If I _really_ have to parse config files in my config
script to properly
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 08:58:14 +0200,
Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:47:26 -0500, Steve Langasek
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Um, no. *Policy* says that it may not be used as a registry.
This has always prompted me to ask myself _why_ debconf entries are
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 08:58:14AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
|
| This has always prompted me to ask myself _why_ debconf entries are
| persistent then. If I _really_ have to parse config files in my config
| script to properly seed debconf to ask the right questions, then why
| does debconf have a
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:17:16 +0100,
Matt Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Policy is what matters not the opinion of some jumped up
developers!
Conside rthis: when considering input from a ``jumped up
developer'' who has demonstrated competence and has put in the effort
like Joey
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Arthur de Jong wrote:
Ok, could you review my cvsd package for me for correct debconf usage
and tell me what you do and don't like?
Thanks for taking advantage of that offer. (So far you're the only one.)
I am ccing this to -devel just
Arthur de Jong wrote:
I have received a Brazillian translation of the debconf questions that I'm
merging into cvsd (bug #187795). I saw the German translation at
http://ddtp.debian.org/cgi-bin/ddtp.cgi?part=debconfpackage=cvsd
before but I never saw the page you linked (very useful page but
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 12:03:40PM +0200, Arthur de Jong wrote:
s/zero (0)/0/ # Apparently writing it out has the possibility to make
# someone enter the number the wrong way so why not just
# not write it out?
I spelled out zero because some (most)
Conside rthis: when considering input from a ``jumped up
developer'' who has demonstrated competence and has put in the effort
like Joey Hess, and has intituted a couple of major changes in how
Debian works, and an unknown twit, guess who am I going to listen to?
Yawn. I don't know and I
No offense, but I think you joined the wrong project, then.
No offence taken. I joined when Debian wasn't run by anal retentives. Sure
there was the whole free software part - but not the SS Nazi version of free
software that is being prompted recently. I have to say that I'm beginning
to think
Um, no. *Policy* says that it may not be used as a registry.
[SNIPPED LONG DIATRIBE THAT DOES NOT PROVE THE ABOVE STATEMENT]
Sure, you delete the registry things should still work. Did I say anything
different? You are making a long tenuous link to prove your point which I
don't subscribe to.
BTW the opinion of this jumped-up developer is please don't send me
private copies of posts to mailing lists. Thanks.
Apologies, 'reply-all' is not clever enough in Outlook Express to evaluate
the sender preference on being copied on list emails. Any suggestions for a
MUA that can perform this
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 08:57:38PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
No offense, but I think you joined the wrong project, then.
No offence taken. I joined when Debian wasn't run by anal retentives. Sure
there was the whole free software part - but not the SS Nazi version of free
software that is
On Sun, 2003-04-20 at 15:57, Matt Ryan wrote:
No offense, but I think you joined the wrong project, then.
No offence taken. I joined when Debian wasn't run by anal retentives. Sure
there was the whole free software part - but not the SS Nazi [...]
Congratulations, you just proved (yet
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 08:57:38PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
No offense, but I think you joined the wrong project, then.
No offence taken. I joined when Debian wasn't run by anal retentives. Sure
there was the whole free software part - but not the SS Nazi version of free
software that is
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 08:57:38PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
No offense, but I think you joined the wrong project, then.
No offence taken. I joined when Debian wasn't run by anal
retentives. Sure there was the whole free software part - but not
the SS Nazi version of free software that is
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 09:09:41PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
Colin Watson wrote:
BTW the opinion of this jumped-up developer is please don't send me
private copies of posts to mailing lists. Thanks.
Apologies, 'reply-all' is not clever enough in Outlook Express to
evaluate the sender
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 10:53:29PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 09:09:41PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
Colin Watson wrote:
BTW the opinion of this jumped-up developer is please don't send me
private copies of posts to mailing lists. Thanks.
Apologies, 'reply-all'
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- cvsd/listen:
s/cvsd will listen on/on which cvsd will listen/
# Avoid dangling preposition
This is an English usage question of the sort that will get the
English and Linguistics departments at some universities to start
leaving nasty notes on
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 09:02:19PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
Um, no. *Policy* says that it may not be used as a registry.
[SNIPPED LONG DIATRIBE THAT DOES NOT PROVE THE ABOVE STATEMENT]
Sure, you delete the registry things should still work. Did I say anything
different? You are making a long
Package: binutils
On Fri, 2003-04-18 at 19:14, Joey Hess wrote:
Enough already.
Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong
in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will stop maintaining
it.
Amen. For example, we really need to kill that kernel link
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 07:14:19PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Enough already.
Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong
in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will stop maintaining
it.
Stop slapping incorrect uses of debconf in everywhere. Feel free to
At 7:22 pm, Saturday, April 19 2003, Denis Barbier mumbled:
I do not understand exactly what is good and bad use of debconf.
For instance all questions asked by the debconf package have good default
values, so there is no reason to prompt user, a configuration file is
enough. So what am I
Enough already.
Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong
in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will stop maintaining
it.
Stop slapping incorrect uses of debconf in everywhere. Feel free to run
any package using debconf by me before you upload it, or take
Denis Barbier wrote:
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 07:14:19PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Enough already.
Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong
in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will stop maintaining
it.
Stop slapping incorrect uses of
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 02:08:27PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
Joey Hess wrote:
Enough already.
Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong
in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will stop maintaining
it.
Stop slapping incorrect uses of debconf in
Steve Kowalik wrote:
Well, not all use of debconf is bad. For example, libnet-perl is a terrible
misuse of debconf, *but* it can be remedied by dropping the priority of the
questions from medium to low.
At least libnet-perl is actually asking questions and preserving some
(though not all) user
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 03:46:32PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
snip
Or maybe realize that Joey might perhaps know what he's talking about
with regard to debconf ... you could go find the text of his talk at the
last Debian Conference if you like.
/snip
Could you (or someone else) give me a
Arthur de Jong wrote:
Ok, could you review my cvsd package for me for correct debconf usage and
tell me what you do and don't like?
Thanks for taking advantage of that offer. (So far you're the only one.)
I am ccing this to -devel just because.
All of the debconf questions are pretty well
One more thing that I didn't notice until purging the package. In the
purge question, you refer to selecting yes and answering no. Don't
do that, some debconf frontends do not use yes or no; the user might be
staring at a check box when they see that text. Just ask the question,
something like
On 19-Apr-03, 06:47 (CDT), Steve Kowalik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 7:22 pm, Saturday, April 19 2003, Denis Barbier mumbled:
I do not understand exactly what is good and bad use of debconf.
For instance all questions asked by the debconf package have good default
values, so there is no
Andre Luis Lopes wrote:
Could you (or someone else) give me a hint on where one could find
Joey's talk ? I've already tried googling for it and looking at [1] but
couldn't find it.
Hmm, I don't have it online that I know of, it was mostly extemporaneous
anyway. (Here, I've linked the slides
On Sat Apr 19, 11:18am -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
On 19-Apr-03, 06:47 (CDT), Steve Kowalik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 7:22 pm, Saturday, April 19 2003, Denis Barbier mumbled:
I do not understand exactly what is good and bad use of debconf.
For instance all questions asked by the
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 12:36:04PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Andre Luis Lopes wrote:
Could you (or someone else) give me a hint on where one could find
Joey's talk ? I've already tried googling for it and looking at [1] but
couldn't find it.
Hmm, I don't have it online that I know of, it
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 12:36:04PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Andre Luis Lopes wrote:
Could you (or someone else) give me a hint on where one could find
Joey's talk ? I've already tried googling for it and looking at [1] but
couldn't find it.
Hmm, I don't have it online that I know of, it
Or maybe realize that Joey might perhaps know what he's talking about
with regard to debconf ... you could go find the text of his talk at the
last Debian Conference if you like.
I realise he has an opinion on how things should be done. Depending on your
own viewpoint this may be more
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 08:17:16PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
Colin Watson wrote:
Or maybe realize that Joey might perhaps know what he's talking about
with regard to debconf ... you could go find the text of his talk at the
last Debian Conference if you like.
I realise he has an opinion on
On Sat, 2003-04-19 at 15:17, Matt Ryan wrote:
Or maybe realize that Joey might perhaps know what he's talking about
with regard to debconf ... you could go find the text of his talk at the
last Debian Conference if you like.
I realise he has an opinion on how things should be done.
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 08:17:16PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
Or maybe realize that Joey might perhaps know what he's talking about
with regard to debconf ... you could go find the text of his talk at the
last Debian Conference if you like.
I realise he has an opinion on how things should be
Andre Luis Lopes wrote:
Hmm, future plans really seems to be quite interesting. Is there a
mailing list dedicated to discussing debconf ideas and implementation I
could subscribe to ?
I saw that there's a link to an ancient Config mailing list at
kitenet, but it seems not to be active
Enough already.
Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong
in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will stop maintaining
it.
Stop slapping incorrect uses of debconf in everywhere. Feel free to run
any package using debconf by me before you upload it, or take
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