Re: Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Fabian Greffrath
The interesting dependency chain is: Simon, thank you very much for this mail and the two ones following it. Your objectiveness and choice of words in this heated debate is really appreciated! Cheers, Fabian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Norbert Preining: http://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=systemd-sysv+upstart+openrcshow_installed=onwant_legend=onwant_ticks=onfrom_date=2014-01-01to_date=hlght_date=date_fmt=%25Y-%25mbeenhere=1 Unfair - because it is in the most cases not on free will. Everyone using Gnome -

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 25 juin 2014 à 18:53 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : And logind replacements have not appeared yet, as expected. Because this is a misstatement of the problem. Logind works systemd-shim today. If it works as well as logind without systemd as pid 1 in earlier versions (leading

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 08:41:17AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mercredi 25 juin 2014 à 18:53 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : And logind replacements have not appeared yet, as expected. Because this is a misstatement of the problem. Logind works systemd-shim today. If it works as

Bug#752745: ITP: dnssec-root-key -- This package contains DNSSEC root key

2014-06-26 Thread Ondřej Surý
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ondřej Surý ond...@debian.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 * Package name: dnssec-root-key Version : 20100715 Upstream Author : ICANN/IANA * URL : http://data.iana.org/root-anchors/ * License : Public

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Simon McVittie dixit quod... On 25/06/14 15:43, Svante Signell wrote: Regarding mate desktop policykit-1 build-depends on libsystemd-login-dev only for linux-any. What functionality is missing for other architectures? [...] In Debian 7, PolicyKit could answer the question is Svante logged-in

Bug#752753: ITP: python-ldappool -- connection pool for python-ldap

2014-06-26 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org * Package name: python-ldappool Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : Mozilla Services services-...@mozilla.org * URL : https://github.com/mozilla-services/ldappool * License : MPL-GPL2-LGPL2.1

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Russ Allbery dixit quod... Simon McVittie s...@debian.org writes: [ startx ] a virtual console, a locked X screensaver is worthless, because someone can just switch virtual console with Ctrl+Alt+Fn, press Ctrl+C and they're in your shell session. This doesn't change anything else that you

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 26 juin 2014 à 08:31 +, Thorsten Glaser a écrit : Can we have alternative dependencies that do not need to get answers to these questions? This worked before *kit were even invented, and this works on other OSes too. No, it didn’t work. You had to be root for operations as simple

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Russ Allbery
Thorsten Glaser t...@debian.org writes: For the record, I would be happy with a supported setup without systemd that relied on using startx, and putting people into the desktop unix groups manually. I don't think startx and fvwm are going anywhere, so, um, enjoy? :) fvwm doesn't depend on

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Andrew Shadura
On 26 June 2014 01:36, Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it wrote: I used the word Insidious as I would have use Stealth, because it's happening slowly, without us noticing, that everything in Debian is being locked with systemd. Soon, we'll have no choice. This is why you should stop fighting: systemd

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Thorsten Glaser
No, it didn't work. You had to be root for operations as simple as shutting down the computer. Only on Debian. OpenBSD and MirBSD have: -r-sr-x--- 1 root operator 122716 Sep 10 2013 /sbin/shutdown* I never understood why Debian doesn't. bye, //mirabilos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Andrew Shadura: http://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=systemd-sysv+sysvinitshow_installed=onwant_legend=onwant_ticks=onfrom_date=2014-01-01to_date=hlght_date=date_fmt=%Y-%mbeenhere=1 Sorry, but this only demonstrates that you don't know what you're talking about. For a comparison

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 06/26/2014 11:34, Thorsten Glaser wrote: No, it didn't work. You had to be root for operations as simple as shutting down the computer. Only on Debian. OpenBSD and MirBSD have: -r-sr-x--- 1 root operator 122716 Sep 10 2013 /sbin/shutdown* I never understood why Debian doesn't.

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:59 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: On 06/26/2014 11:34, Thorsten Glaser wrote: No, it didn't work. You had to be root for operations as simple as shutting down the computer. Only on Debian. OpenBSD and MirBSD have: -r-sr-x--- 1 root operator 122716 Sep 10

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Wookey
+++ Svante Signell [2014-06-24 19:57 +0200]: I strongly recommend the systemd-must-die package to prevent systemd components being installed when dist-upgrading without the user being aware. Where is this package? I'm not finding it in testing or the pts? Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro,

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 26 juin 2014 à 09:34 +, Thorsten Glaser a écrit : No, it didn't work. You had to be root for operations as simple as shutting down the computer. Only on Debian. OpenBSD and MirBSD have: -r-sr-x--- 1 root operator 122716 Sep 10 2013 /sbin/shutdown* I never understood

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:20 +0100, Wookey wrote: +++ Svante Signell [2014-06-24 19:57 +0200]: I strongly recommend the systemd-must-die package to prevent systemd components being installed when dist-upgrading without the user being aware. Where is this package? I'm not finding it in

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Wookey
+++ Matthias Urlichs [2014-06-26 11:58 +0200]: Hi, Andrew Shadura: http://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=systemd-sysv+sysvinitshow_installed=onwant_legend=onwant_ticks=onfrom_date=2014-01-01to_date=hlght_date=date_fmt=%Y-%mbeenhere=1 Sorry, but this only demonstrates that you

Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Ondřej Surý
Hi everyone, I should have done this earlier before cloning the bugs, so here's some more background on the bugs filled. I did have a quite long and extensive chat with FTP Masters and our conclusion was that PHP License (any version) is suitable only for software that comes directly from PHP

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:45 +0100, Wookey wrote: +++ Matthias Urlichs [2014-06-26 11:58 +0200]: Hi, Which shows about a change from 'peak sysvinit-core' in mid-april: Mid april Now sysvinit-core:89% 81% systemd-sysv: 6% 19% A question: If you uninstall a

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 26 June 2014 12:00, Ondřej Surý ond...@sury.org wrote: Hi everyone, I should have done this earlier before cloning the bugs, so here's some more background on the bugs filled. I did have a quite long and extensive chat with FTP Masters and our conclusion was that PHP License (any

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014, at 13:09, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: On 26 June 2014 12:00, Ondřej Surý ond...@sury.org wrote: Hi everyone, I should have done this earlier before cloning the bugs, so here's some more background on the bugs filled. I did have a quite long and extensive chat

Re: Bug#752614: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Mike Gabriel
Hi Ondřej, On Do 26 Jun 2014 13:00:12 CEST, Ondřej Surý wrote: I did have a quite long and extensive chat with FTP Masters and our conclusion was that PHP License (any version) is suitable only for software that comes directly from PHP Group, that basically means only PHP (src:php5) itself.

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014, at 13:36, Faidon Liambotis wrote: On 06/26/14 14:00, Ondřej Surý wrote: I should have done this earlier before cloning the bugs, so here's some more background on the bugs filled. I did have a quite long and extensive chat with FTP Masters and our conclusion was

Re: Bug#752614: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014, at 13:56, Ondřej Surý wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2014, at 13:52, Mike Gabriel wrote: Hi Ondřej, On Do 26 Jun 2014 13:00:12 CEST, Ondřej Surý wrote: I did have a quite long and extensive chat with FTP Masters and our conclusion was that PHP License (any version)

Re: Bug#752614: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014, at 13:52, Mike Gabriel wrote: Hi Ondřej, On Do 26 Jun 2014 13:00:12 CEST, Ondřej Surý wrote: I did have a quite long and extensive chat with FTP Masters and our conclusion was that PHP License (any version) is suitable only for software that comes directly from

Bug#752764: ITP: python-django-pyscss -- makes it easier to use PySCSS in Django

2014-06-26 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org * Package name: python-django-pyscss Version : 1.0.0 Upstream Author : Fusionbox, Inc. programm...@fusionbox.com * URL : https://github.com/fusionbox/django-pyscss * License : BSD-2-clause

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Faidon Liambotis
On 06/26/14 14:00, Ondřej Surý wrote: I should have done this earlier before cloning the bugs, so here's some more background on the bugs filled. I did have a quite long and extensive chat with FTP Masters and our conclusion was that PHP License (any version) is suitable only for software that

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Jean-Christophe Dubacq
[ ⏰ 26/06/2014 12:05 ] [ ✎ Svante Signell ] On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:59 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: On 06/26/2014 11:34, Thorsten Glaser wrote: No, it didn't work. You had to be root for operations as simple as shutting down the computer. Only on Debian. OpenBSD and MirBSD have:

Re: Bug#752532: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Sergey B Kirpichev
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 01:00:12PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: 3. We remove the source packages from Debian. Can you kindly explain why? Is the PHP license is non-free? If so, why? If not - let's lower the bugs severity. I see only *one* reply from debian-legal here:

Re: Bug#752614: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Mike Gabriel
Hi Ondřej On Do 26 Jun 2014 13:56:34 CEST, Ondřej Surý wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2014, at 13:56, Ondřej Surý wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2014, at 13:52, Mike Gabriel wrote: Hi Ondřej, On Do 26 Jun 2014 13:00:12 CEST, Ondřej Surý wrote: I did have a quite long and extensive chat with FTP

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Neil Williams
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 13:02:15 +0200 Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:45 +0100, Wookey wrote: +++ Matthias Urlichs [2014-06-26 11:58 +0200]: Hi, Which shows about a change from 'peak sysvinit-core' in mid-april: Mid april Now

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 01:53:48PM +0200, Ondřej Surý a écrit : On Thu, Jun 26, 2014, at 13:36, Faidon Liambotis wrote: On 06/26/14 14:00, Ondřej Surý wrote: I should have done this earlier before cloning the bugs, so here's some more background on the bugs filled. I did have a

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Ondřej Surý
Hi Charles, On Thu, Jun 26, 2014, at 14:27, Charles Plessy wrote: If your disagreement with the FTP team is unresolvable, and if you have time, maybe you can try to open a ticket for a resolution by the Technical Comittee ? I don't think that falls under tech-ctte jurisdiction under Chapter

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 14:03 +0200, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: [ ⏰ 26/06/2014 12:05 ] [ ✎ Svante Signell ] On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:59 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: On 06/26/2014 11:34, Thorsten Glaser wrote: No, it didn't work. You had to be root for operations as simple as shutting

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Simon McVittie
On 26/06/14 13:33, Svante Signell wrote: Of course with the additional check that the students are logged in to that box locally, did I forget to mention that? Apparently yes. So you'll still need some solution to is this user local? - either an implementation of the systemd-logind API

how do I treat an un-owned leftover directory?

2014-06-26 Thread Dennis van Dok
Hi, my packages igtf-policy-bundle has piuparts errors[1]. I'm symlinking files to /etc/grid-security/certificates/ on installation, and everything but the directories themselves are removed on package removal. I guess I could remove these directories if they are completely empty after package

Re: how do I treat an un-owned leftover directory?

2014-06-26 Thread Ondřej Surý
If you do create those directories in {pre,post}inst, you should check if they are empty in {pre,post}rm and remove them after unlinking the stuff you have linked in. e.g. just cleanup after your package on purge Ondrej On Thu, Jun 26, 2014, at 14:45, Dennis van Dok wrote: Hi, my packages

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Wookey wrote: +++ Matthias Urlichs [2014-06-26 11:58 +0200]: Hi, Andrew Shadura: [14]http://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=systemd-sysv+sysvinitshow_installed=onwant_legend=o nwant_ticks=onfrom_date=2014-01-01to_date=hlght_date=date_fmt=%Y-%mbeenhere=1 Sorry, but this only

Bug#752771: ITP: r-cran-batchjobs -- GNU R batch computing

2014-06-26 Thread Andreas Tille
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andreas Tille ti...@debian.org * Package name: r-cran-batchjobs Version : 1.2 Upstream Author : Bernd Bischl bernd_bis...@gmx.net * URL : http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/BatchJobs/ * License : BSD Programming

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Svante Signell wrote: On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:59 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: On 06/26/2014 11:34, Thorsten Glaser wrote: No, it didn't work. You had to be root for operations as simple as shutting down the computer. Only on Debian. OpenBSD and MirBSD have: -r-sr-x--- 1 root

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Wookey
+++ Svante Signell [2014-06-26 12:31 +0200]: On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:20 +0100, Wookey wrote: +++ Svante Signell [2014-06-24 19:57 +0200]: I strongly recommend the systemd-must-die package to prevent systemd components being installed when dist-upgrading without the user being

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: So that students can do eg ssh mybuddymachine /sbin/shutdown ? (and they need to be able to shutdown their own machine, power is not free). Why do people always think that a proposal will automatically exclude all others? In your student scenario, you do *not* add

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Simon McVittie wrote: tl;dr: these frameworks were not invented just to troll you, they do have a purpose :-) Yes, I fully agree. But _please_ also realise that there are people, a non-neglibile number of them, for whom these frameworks are not an improvement, and who wish to be not forced to use

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 06/26/2014 14:33, Svante Signell wrote: On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 14:03 +0200, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: [ ⏰ 26/06/2014 12:05 ] [ ✎ Svante Signell ] On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:59 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: On 06/26/2014 11:34, Thorsten Glaser wrote: No, it didn't work. You had to be

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Jean-Christophe Dubacq
[ ⏰ 26/06/2014 15:34 ] [ ✎ Thorsten Glaser ] Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: So that students can do eg ssh mybuddymachine /sbin/shutdown ? (and they need to be able to shutdown their own machine, power is not free). Why do people always think that a proposal will automatically exclude all

systemd-must-die (was Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian)

2014-06-26 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Wookey worte: [11]http://users.unixforge.de/~tglaser/debs/dists/etch/wtf/Pkgs/mirabilos-support/ Can it be uploaded please? As has been observed, there is a reasonable number of people who would like an easy way to control explicitly when/if they change to systemd for pid 1. Having to get it

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Rens Houben
In other news for Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 02:33:49PM +0100, Wookey has been seen typing: +++ Svante Signell [2014-06-26 12:31 +0200]: Not in any official Debian repo unfortunately: http://users.unixforge.de/~tglaser/debs/dists/etch/wtf/Pkgs/mirabilos-support/ Can it be uploaded please?

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 26, Wookey woo...@wookware.org wrote: Can it be uploaded please? As has been observed, there is a reasonable number of people who would like an easy way to control explicitly when/if they change to systemd for pid 1. Having to get it from a apt-get install equivs -- ciao, Marco

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 13:53 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: On 26/06/14 13:33, Svante Signell wrote: Of course with the additional check that the students are logged in to that box locally, did I forget to mention that? ... or something involving utmp/wtmp/other traditions. utmp(5) says

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 26, Thorsten Glaser t...@debian.org wrote: Yes, I fully agree. But _please_ also realise that there are people, a non-neglibile number of them, for whom these frameworks are not an improvement, and who wish to be not forced to use them. A few people said this about udev as well. Now

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Alastair McKinstry
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 26/06/2014 15:33, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jun 26, Thorsten Glaser t...@debian.org wrote: Yes, I fully agree. But _please_ also realise that there are people, a non-neglibile number of them, for whom these frameworks are not an improvement,

Bug#752788: ITP: r-cran-maxlik -- GNU R maximum likelihood estimation

2014-06-26 Thread Andreas Tille
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andreas Tille ti...@debian.org * Package name: r-cran-maxlik Version : 1.2-0 Upstream Author : Arne Henningsen arne.henning...@gmail.com * URL : http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/maxLik/ * License : GPL Programming

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 09:27:10PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: I have discussed this with ftp-masters and release team before filling the bugs, arguing heavily in disagreement with ftp-master's REJECT FAQ - the PHP License REJECT is there since 2005. Hi Ondrej, sorry for not having

Bug#752792: ITP: binpac -- language for describing and generating network protocol parsers

2014-06-26 Thread Raúl Benencia
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Raúl Benencia r...@kalgan.cc * Package name: binpac Version : 0.42 Upstream Author : Bro Development Team i...@bro.org * URL : http://bro.org/sphinx/components/binpac/README.html * License : BSD Programming Lang: C++

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Alastair McKinstry wrote: udev itself is disabled in scripts as it keeps crashing on my hardware. (Old powerpc server). Which bug number is this? -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 26, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: I have no objection to the ftp team's decision to treat this as an automatic reject on this basis - I don't think a license that requires us to make false statements is suitable for main - but it's wrong to claim that these works are

Re: systemd-must-die (was Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian)

2014-06-26 Thread Alessio Treglia
On 26 Jun 2014 15:05, Thorsten Glaser t...@debian.org wrote: content of its own. I believe it does not need to be in Debian itself, technically, but I agree to upload it if its presence is desired politically (even to wheezy-backports). Personally I would love it. Cheers. -- Alessio

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 02:36:18PM +0300, Faidon Liambotis wrote: On 06/26/14 14:00, Ondřej Surý wrote: I should have done this earlier before cloning the bugs, so here's some more background on the bugs filled. I did have a quite long and extensive chat with FTP Masters and our conclusion

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Ondřej Surý
Steve, I did hand checked all copyright files in question and while php-imlib might have slipped me, I am quite sure that your claim about lot of these is false, since php-imlib is not the only package under dual licensing I have seen. I do apologize for filling bug against php-imlib though.

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 07:26:05PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jun 26, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: I have no objection to the ftp team's decision to treat this as an automatic reject on this basis - I don't think a license that requires us to make false statements is suitable

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Steve Langasek: Ah good, argumentum ad populum, I was getting sick of Debian having principles anyway. The point is that absolutely nobody else seems to be interested in this strange licensing situation. Debian itself had the problem for YEARS and nobody noticed. Thus, reality check #3:

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Russ Allbery
Thorsten Glaser t...@debian.org writes: Yes, I fully agree. But _please_ also realise that there are people, a non-neglibile number of them, for whom these frameworks are not an improvement, and who wish to be not forced to use them. That's fine for you to feel that way, but that feeling does

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Matthias Urlichs's message of 2014-06-26 11:17:04 -0700: Hi, Steve Langasek: Ah good, argumentum ad populum, I was getting sick of Debian having principles anyway. The point is that absolutely nobody else seems to be interested in this strange licensing situation. Debian

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Clint Byrum: Oh good, another discussion where we argue against our principles. I am not arguing against our principles. I am arguing against a panicked let's RC-bug half of our PHP infrastructure (and drop it from $NEXTSTABLE because the situation won't be resolved until the release)

Re: how do I treat an un-owned leftover directory?

2014-06-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 02:45:21PM +0200, Dennis van Dok wrote: I'm symlinking files to /etc/grid-security/certificates/ on installation, and everything but the directories themselves are removed on package removal. I guess I could remove these directories if they are completely empty after

Re: Bug#752745: ITP: dnssec-root-key -- This package contains DNSSEC root key

2014-06-26 Thread Robert Edmonds
Ondřej Surý wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ondřej Surý ond...@debian.org * Package name: dnssec-root-key Hm, I would maybe call this dnssec-root-anchors. Technically there should be very few copies of the root key :-) Similarly, s/key/trust anchors/g in the

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 26, Clint Byrum spam...@debian.org wrote: Oh good, another discussion where we argue against our principles. I And which principles would be that, exactly? If anyone has a better way to safeguard those to whom we distribute software, please do speak up about it. I suggest mimicking

Work-needing packages report for Jun 27, 2014

2014-06-26 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 577 (new: 2) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 139 (new: 1) Total number of packages

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 08:57:43PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: I'd recommend that we safeguard our users against 'PHP' licensing problems the same way I protect myself against a meteorite hitting me on my way to work tomorrow, and for roughly the same reasons. Because there is nothing you

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-06-26 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 02:43:16PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 08:57:43PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: I'd recommend that we safeguard our users against 'PHP' licensing problems the same way I protect myself against a meteorite hitting me on my way to work

Accepted libnftnl 1.0.2-1 (source amd64)

2014-06-26 Thread Arturo Borrero Gonzalez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 18:43:44 +0200 Source: libnftnl Binary: libnftnl0 libnftnl0-dbg libnftnl-dev Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.0.2-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Arturo Borrero Gonzalez

Accepted ocrodjvu 0.7.18-1 (source all)

2014-06-26 Thread Daniel Stender
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 11:19:47 +0200 Source: ocrodjvu Binary: ocrodjvu Architecture: source all Version: 0.7.18-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Daniel Stender deb...@danielstender.com Changed-By: Daniel Stender

Accepted cmph 2.0-2 (source amd64)

2014-06-26 Thread Joseph Herlant
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:07:04 +0200 Source: cmph Binary: libcmph0 libcmph-dev libcmph-tools Architecture: source amd64 Version: 2.0-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Joseph Herlant herla...@gmail.com Changed-By:

Accepted mgcv 1.8-0-1 (source i386)

2014-06-26 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 01:05:19 -0500 Source: mgcv Binary: r-cran-mgcv Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.8-0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Dirk Eddelbuettel e...@debian.org Changed-By: Dirk Eddelbuettel

Accepted nftables 0.3-1 (source amd64)

2014-06-26 Thread Arturo Borrero Gonzalez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:02:59 +0200 Source: nftables Binary: nftables Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.3-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Arturo Borrero Gonzalez arturo.borrero.g...@gmail.com Changed-By: Arturo

Accepted texlive-base 2014.20140626-1 (source all)

2014-06-26 Thread Norbert Preining
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:02:30 +0900 Source: texlive-base Binary: texlive-base texlive-generic-recommended texlive-latex-base texlive-latex-recommended texlive-fonts-recommended texlive-pictures texlive-luatex texlive-metapost

Accepted texlive-extra 2014.20140626-1 (source all)

2014-06-26 Thread Norbert Preining
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:02:41 +0900 Source: texlive-extra Binary: texlive-bibtex-extra texlive-extra-utils texlive-font-utils texlive-formats-extra texlive-generic-extra texlive-math-extra texlive-plain-extra texlive-latex-extra

Accepted pentobi 8.0-2 (source amd64)

2014-06-26 Thread Juhani Numminen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 11:51:50 +0300 Source: pentobi Binary: pentobi pentobi-kde-thumbnailer Architecture: source amd64 Version: 8.0-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Games Team

Accepted gnome-shell-pomodoro 0.10.2-1 (source amd64)

2014-06-26 Thread Joseph Herlant
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 19:15:30 +0200 Source: gnome-shell-pomodoro Binary: gnome-shell-pomodoro Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.10.2-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Joseph Herlant herla...@gmail.com

Accepted roboptim-core 2.0-7 (source amd64 all)

2014-06-26 Thread Thomas Moulard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 11:10:52 +0900 Source: roboptim-core Binary: libroboptim-core-dev libroboptim-core2 libroboptim-core2-plugin-base libroboptim-core2-dbg libroboptim-core-doc Architecture: source amd64 all Version: 2.0-7

Accepted texlive-lang 2014.20140626-1 (source all)

2014-06-26 Thread Norbert Preining
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:02:48 +0900 Source: texlive-lang Binary: texlive-lang-african texlive-lang-arabic texlive-lang-cjk texlive-lang-korean texlive-lang-chinese texlive-lang-japanese texlive-lang-cyrillic texlive-lang-czechslovak

Accepted erlang 1:17.1-dfsg-1 (source all amd64)

2014-06-26 Thread Sergei Golovan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:43:41 +0400 Source: erlang Binary: erlang-base erlang-base-hipe erlang-asn1 erlang-common-test erlang-corba erlang-crypto erlang-debugger erlang-dialyzer erlang-diameter erlang-doc erlang-edoc erlang-eldap

Accepted libocas 0.93-2 (source amd64)

2014-06-26 Thread Christian Kastner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:33:14 +0100 Source: libocas Binary: libocas-dev libocas0 libocas-dbg libocas-tools Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.93-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Christian Kastner deb...@kvr.at

Accepted libmpikmeans 1.5+dfsg-1 (source amd64)

2014-06-26 Thread Christian Kastner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 12:17:57 +0100 Source: libmpikmeans Binary: libmpikmeans-dev libmpikmeans1 libmpikmeans-dbg mpikmeans-tools python-mpikmeans Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.5+dfsg-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low

Accepted python-zake 0.0.15-1 (source all)

2014-06-26 Thread Thomas Goirand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 15:28:13 +0800 Source: python-zake Binary: python-zake python3-zake Architecture: source all Version: 0.0.15-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: PKG OpenStack

Accepted python-django-compressor 1.4-1 (source all)

2014-06-26 Thread Thomas Goirand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 15:08:13 +0800 Source: python-django-compressor Binary: python-compressor Architecture: source all Version: 1.4-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: PKG OpenStack

Accepted sphinxcontrib-pecanwsme 0.8.0-1 (source all)

2014-06-26 Thread Thomas Goirand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 15:32:48 +0800 Source: sphinxcontrib-pecanwsme Binary: python-sphinxcontrib-pecanwsme Architecture: source all Version: 0.8.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: PKG OpenStack

Accepted xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:7.4.0-1 (source amd64)

2014-06-26 Thread Maarten Lankhorst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:35:44 +0200 Source: xserver-xorg-video-ati Binary: xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-ati-dbg xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-radeon-dbg Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1:7.4.0-1

Accepted cpl-plugin-xshoo 2.5.0+dfsg-2 (source all amd64)

2014-06-26 Thread Ole Streicher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 11:23:14 +0200 Source: cpl-plugin-xshoo Binary: cpl-plugin-xshoo cpl-plugin-xshoo-doc cpl-plugin-xshoo-calib Architecture: source all amd64 Version: 2.5.0+dfsg-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian

Accepted cups 1.7.3-6 (source amd64 all)

2014-06-26 Thread Didier Raboud
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 07:51:30 +0200 Source: cups Binary: libcups2 libcupsimage2 libcupscgi1 libcupsmime1 libcupsppdc1 cups cups-core-drivers cups-daemon cups-client libcups2-dev libcupsimage2-dev libcupscgi1-dev libcupsmime1-dev

Accepted gcc-4.9 4.9.0-8 (source all amd64)

2014-06-26 Thread Matthias Klose
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 20:08:09 +0200 Source: gcc-4.9 Binary: gcc-4.9-base libgcc1 libgcc1-dbg libgcc2 libgcc2-dbg libgcc-4.9-dev libgcc4 libgcc4-dbg lib64gcc1 lib64gcc1-dbg lib64gcc-4.9-dev lib32gcc1 lib32gcc1-dbg lib32gcc-4.9-dev

Accepted mcron 1.0.8-1 (source amd64)

2014-06-26 Thread Dale Mellor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:42:42 +0100 Source: mcron Binary: mcron Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.0.8-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Dale Mellor dale_mel...@users.sourceforge.net Changed-By: Dale Mellor

Accepted mediawiki 1:1.19.17+dfsg-1 (source all)

2014-06-26 Thread Thorsten Glaser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA384 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:57:03 +0200 Source: mediawiki Binary: mediawiki mediawiki-classes Architecture: source all Version: 1:1.19.17+dfsg-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Mediawiki Maintenance Team

Accepted python-pyghmi 0.6.1-1 (source all)

2014-06-26 Thread Thomas Goirand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 15:49:24 +0800 Source: python-pyghmi Binary: python-pyghmi Architecture: source all Version: 0.6.1-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: PKG OpenStack openstack-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org

Accepted open-iscsi 2.0.873+git0.3b4b4500-2 (source amd64)

2014-06-26 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 13:05:48 +0530 Source: open-iscsi Binary: open-iscsi open-iscsi-udeb Architecture: source amd64 Version: 2.0.873+git0.3b4b4500-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian iSCSI Maintainers

Accepted python-zake 0.0.20-1 (source all)

2014-06-26 Thread Thomas Goirand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 16:51:07 +0800 Source: python-zake Binary: python-zake python3-zake Architecture: source all Version: 0.0.20-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: PKG OpenStack

Accepted xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:7.4.0-1+exp1 (source amd64)

2014-06-26 Thread Maarten Lankhorst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:43:52 +0200 Source: xserver-xorg-video-ati Binary: xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-ati-dbg xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-radeon-dbg Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1:7.4.0-1+exp1

Accepted xserver-xorg-video-modesetting 0.9.0-1 (source amd64)

2014-06-26 Thread Maarten Lankhorst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:41:50 +0200 Source: xserver-xorg-video-modesetting Binary: xserver-xorg-video-modesetting xserver-xorg-video-modesetting-dbg Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.9.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium

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