RFC: debian-games?

1999-09-17 Thread Lalo Martins
As the maintainer of FreeCiv, and as someone who would like to take over a few not-yet-packaged games if I had time, and prompted by the new QA stuff, I'd like to propose the creation of a new mailing list, debian-games or perhaps just to make things VERY clear, debian-devel-games, for maintainers

Quality Charter for Debian Maintainers

1999-09-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
[ ObPrivate: I want to reach ALL developers, please don't respond to -private but on -devel or by private mail ] [ Reply to set to debian-devel ] Hi everybody, you can find on http://qa.debian.org/maintainer.html what I called a Quality Charter for the maintainers. It is a short concrete list

Release-critical Bugreport for September 17, 1999

1999-09-17 Thread BugScan reporter
Bug stamp-out list for Sep 17 00:04 (CST) Total number of release-critical bugs: 271 -- Package: abiword (main) Maintainer: Darren Benham [EMAIL PROTECTED] [REMOVE] This package can be removed if it is not fixed.

Re: New Debian Quality Assurance !

1999-09-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 08:36:00PM +0200, Matej Vela écrivait: Perl runtime error (interpreter rc=255) Oops, forgot to add the www-data as a valid user for PostgreSQL. Jason just added it, it's corrected. Nice work, BTW. I hope it will be useful (ie people will use this tool to do real

Re: Metapackages (was Re: Debian Weekly News - September 14th, 1999)

1999-09-17 Thread David Coe
Germano Leichsenring [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, am I the only one grepping the available file?? No, and (for those of you who don't already know), there are two nice packages that make doing so even easier and more useful: *grep-dctrl* allows you to extract entire package chunks

Re: Metapackages (was Re: Debian Weekly News - September 14th, 1999)

1999-09-17 Thread Adam Klein
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 10:52:31PM +, David Coe wrote: Germano Leichsenring [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, am I the only one grepping the available file?? No, and (for those of you who don't already know), there are two nice packages that make doing so even easier and more

Re: Looking for help with ftp archive

1999-09-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 08:28:25PM -0700, Guy Maor écrivait: Hi, we're looking for somebody to help us with ftp maintainance by Hey guys, where are you ? Where are the people who criticized the ftpmaster about beeing too slow ? It's time to show that you can do better ... I /REALLY/ hope that

Re: (g)mc-4.5.38-2 still broken

1999-09-17 Thread Philip Hands
Marek Habersack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [1 text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)] * Philip Hands said: Wait a second. So this mc script is an attempt to leave you in the directory you were in when you left mc ? [snip] /etc /tmp the ``cd /etc'' only applies in the

Re: Looking for help with ftp archive

1999-09-17 Thread Joel Klecker
At 01:30 +0200 1999-09-17, Raphael Hertzog wrote: where are you ? Where are the people who criticized the ftpmaster about beeing too slow ? It's time to show that you can do better ... I /REALLY/ hope that someone will step up ! Even if the job is not always funny this is a really useful job for

Re: fds_bits

1999-09-17 Thread Ben Collins
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 09:06:09PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 04:34:44AM +0800, Paul Harris wrote: compiler error: vrweb-1.5/src/common/Dispatch/fdmask.C:99: `fds_bits' undeclared (first use this function) problem code: if (fds_bits[i]) { declaration

Re: Hosed system during package build

1999-09-17 Thread Steve Greenland
On 16-Sep-99, 13:21 (CDT), Ben Gertzfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dale == Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dale I'm going to take my time recovering from this, as there Dale are things still on hda1 that I am likely to want saved. Any Dale helpful hints about how to keep

Re: Crazy Idea: debian developer conference

1999-09-17 Thread Philip Hands
Michael Alan Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christian Meder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cool idea. But would it help Debian except of being a big social developer event ? Sometimes social functions can lead to increased cooperation. Plus there's the opportunity to discuss technical

Re: Crazy Idea: debian developer conference

1999-09-17 Thread Joseph Carter
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 09:35:50AM -0700, Jakob 'sparky' Kaivo wrote: Is this idea worth pursuing? It's a neat idea, and I'd sure like to meet my fellow Debianers, but I doubt you'll get anybody to pay for it. What about Corel? They're getting a /lot/ from Debian (basing their dist

Re: Hosed system during package build

1999-09-17 Thread Ben Collins
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 08:26:15PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: On 16-Sep-99, 13:21 (CDT), Ben Gertzfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dale == Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dale I'm going to take my time recovering from this, as there Dale are things still on hda1 that I

Re: Crazy Idea: debian developer conference

1999-09-17 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given some of the recent threads, the interactive discussions might need to be conducted on canvas, in the presence of a referee, while wearing padded gloves. ;-) Possibly. I would _hope_, however, that being face to face might have the opposite effect.

Re: fds_bits

1999-09-17 Thread Joel Klecker
At 17:23 -0400 1999-09-16, Ben Collins wrote: The way I have overcome this with glibc 2.1 is to use __fds_bits or add #define __USE_XOPEN 1 to your source at the top. NO, NO, NO! *Never* use the __USE macros, those are internal, for each __USE_FOO there is a corresponding _FOO_SOURCE which should

gdm MIT-COOKIE problem

1999-09-17 Thread The Doctor What
I have been trying to get gdm to work again, as it broke a little while ago. I thought it was gdm, but I found an old .deb (which worked at the time for me, 1.0.0-5) but it didn't fix the problem. (I'm using unstable, and gdm 1.0.0-9). Symptoms, gdm starts up X, and then hangs there. :0.log says

Re: building kernel 2.0.x under potato

1999-09-17 Thread John Lapeyre
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Herbert Xu wrote: herberOn Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 10:57:54AM -0700, John Lapeyre wrote: herberTry herber herbermake CC=gcc272 -D__KERNEL__ -I`pwd`/include zImage I love this man ! Well, I had tried messing around with the /include files, but didn't get it right.

Unofficial emacs 20.4 available...

1999-09-17 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
Having recently found out that emacs 20.4 was available, combined with a bit of time while waiting for the hurricane to pass through, I decided to cook up some emacs 20.4 packages. Those interested in getting them can download them from http://master.debian.org/~mdorman/ I have made no attempt

ITP: Rael's Binary Grabber

1999-09-17 Thread Joe Drew
I've received an OK from the author of Rael's Binary Grabber to redistribute modified versions for Debian (disallowed by the original license). He seemed enamoured with being able to say that his package was part of Debian; it was almost difficult to tell him that it won't be an official part,

Re: Hosed system during package build

1999-09-17 Thread Matt Porter
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 08:26:15PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: On 16-Sep-99, 13:21 (CDT), Ben Gertzfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dale == Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dale I'm going to take my time recovering from this, as there Dale are things still on hda1 that I

Move proftpd to contrib

1999-09-17 Thread John Goerzen
This package has been a major source of serious security bugs and indicatiosn are that it will remain as such. Our Policy states that packages that are not sufficiently free of bugs to meet our standards should not be in main and should be moved to contrib. I therefore encourage that people

Re: Move proftpd to contrib

1999-09-17 Thread Johnie Ingram
John == John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John whatever steps necessary to do that. We absolutely cannot John release a distribution with such a bubbling security hole as John this. True, but I suggest waiting until freeze time before deciding its worthiness. netgod *

Pablo News

1999-09-17 Thread Pablo´s Home Page
Hola, hacia tiempo que no les mandaba mis Pablo News. . .me extrañaban ehh? Bueno, en este mail, les informo que arregle la parte de musica con MTV (ahora los vinculos estan bien), despues tambien argegue algunas utilidades de programacion (C++), y por ultimo adherí una gran seccion en la parte de

Re: Crazy Idea: debian developer conference

1999-09-17 Thread Jakob 'sparky' Kaivo
On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Joseph Carter wrote: On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 09:35:50AM -0700, Jakob 'sparky' Kaivo wrote: Is this idea worth pursuing? It's a neat idea, and I'd sure like to meet my fellow Debianers, but I doubt you'll get anybody to pay for it. What about Corel? They're

Re: Question on grep 2.3-5 for potato

1999-09-17 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Indeed. The GNU coding style dictates this (a program should not rely on argv[0] to decide its behaviour). Are there any security risks or other reasons. I was advised several times in the past to do so also over the list. The simplest example is

name2()

1999-09-17 Thread Paul Harris
hi the current problem is involving a function called name2() eg: from tifs.h Fieldsdeclare(name2(TIOINETFactoriesBase,Base),TIOINETFactoryPtr) from fields.h class name2(TIOINETFactoriesBase,Base) { see how its used in #defs

Re: Release-critical Bugreport for September 17, 1999

1999-09-17 Thread Bdale Garbee
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Package: dump (main) Maintainer: Bdale Garbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] 44061 dump: Appears to be unable to dump rev 1 ext2fses with sparse super I'm not an expert on ext2 filesystem internals. If someone who is wants to have a look at this and give me some

Re: Crazy Idea: debian developer conference

1999-09-17 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
Scavenging the mail folder uncovered Joseph Carter's letter: On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 09:35:50AM -0700, Jakob 'sparky' Kaivo wrote: Is this idea worth pursuing? It's a neat idea, and I'd sure like to meet my fellow Debianers, but I doubt you'll get anybody to pay for it. What

Re: Metapackages (was Re: Debian Weekly News - September 14th, 1999)

1999-09-17 Thread Fabien Ninoles
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 12:51:16PM +0200, Laurent Martelli wrote: SB == Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SB On Thursday 16 September 1999, at 2 h 3, the keyboard of Laurent SB Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: very nice, but how will uninstallation be handled ? Will

Linux Journal Reader's Choice Awards

1999-09-17 Thread Nils Lohner
There's a survey for the Linux Journal Reader's choice awards at http://www.linuxjournal.com Go vote for yur favorite dist and software! Nils.

Re: ITP: Rael's Binary Grabber

1999-09-17 Thread Paul Slootman
On Thu 16 Sep 1999, Joe Drew wrote: I've received an OK from the author of Rael's Binary Grabber to redistribute Perhaps you could shed some light on what `Rael's Binary Grabber' is? Paul Slootman -- home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wurtel.demon.nl/ work: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Crazy Idea: debian developer conference

1999-09-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 10:05:52PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: The two big questions: Where? Preferably somewhere with a high density of debian developers. The California Bay Area (20 some developers with many more nearby) and the Netherlands come

Re: Move proftpd to contrib

1999-09-17 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 10:42:36PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: This package has been a major source of serious security bugs and indicatiosn are that it will remain as such. Our Policy states that packages that are not sufficiently free of bugs to meet our standards should not be in main and

Re: Move proftpd to contrib

1999-09-17 Thread Ruud de Rooij
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 10:42:36PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: This package has been a major source of serious security bugs and indicatiosn are that it will remain as such. Our Policy states that packages that are not sufficiently free of bugs to

Re: Increasing regularity of build systems

1999-09-17 Thread Santiago Vila
David Welton wrote: Xemacs21 - runs *autoconf* to generate other makefiles, which are then run. [...] Do you seem what I mean? Each of these is doing something slightly different, and it is a bit frustrating not to see a bit more cohesiveness. Not that any of these things are *bad*, per

Re: Debian's problems

1999-09-17 Thread Sarel J. Botha
On Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 06:39:42PM -0500, David Welton wrote: I think what is being suggested is that we need a Linus figure, who can step in and say yes or no. I think that that would be preferable and quicker than the current conglomeration of commitees, policies, etc etc. It's very clear

Re: Matt Welsh on Debian

1999-09-17 Thread Sarel J. Botha
On Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 01:51:39PM -0500, David Welton wrote: between the distributions because I think that they are all good. I was checking out Debian.org the other day and I was pretty amazed at how organized it was. It was a far cry from its earlier days. if he only knew... --

Re: Hosed system during package build

1999-09-17 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 20:26:15 -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: I saw much talk about fakeroot not working with the new glibc, much talk about it being difficult to fix, and no talk about it being fixed. Actually, AFAIK most of this talk was about /libtricks/ which was a new approach to doing

Re: Binary Deb 'Diffs'

1999-09-17 Thread Chris Rutter
On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Jordan Mendelson wrote: Just a quick idea, instead of having to download an entire package where 95% of the files don't change, what about downloading a type of binary diff? I can think of two ways to do it: I've wanted something like this for a while -- I was also

Re: Move proftpd to contrib

1999-09-17 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 22:42:36 -0500, John Goerzen wrote: This package has been a major source of serious security bugs and indicatiosn are that it will remain as such. SuSE have indicated they're dropping it: http://linuxtoday.com/story.php3?sn=10124 . Our Policy states that packages that

Re: Looking for help with ftp archive

1999-09-17 Thread Christian Meder
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 05:12:30PM -0700, Joel Klecker wrote: At 01:30 +0200 1999-09-17, Raphael Hertzog wrote: where are you ? Where are the people who criticized the ftpmaster about beeing too slow ? It's time to show that you can do better ... I /REALLY/ hope that someone will step up !

Re: Crazy Idea: debian developer conference

1999-09-17 Thread Chris Rutter
On 16 Sep 1999, Michael Alan Dorman wrote: I would _hope_, however, that being face to face might have the opposite effect. Yes, I agree, and in all likelihood I think that's what'll happen. :) -- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( http://www.fluff.org/chris )

Re: Crazy Idea: debian developer conference

1999-09-17 Thread Chris Rutter
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Federico Di Gregorio wrote: Having a big convention would be really awfull, but it's difficult to get sponsors and much more difficult to gather developers from all over the world. What about a series of smaller conferences? We can have Debian Europe, Debian America

Re: Looking for help with ftp archive

1999-09-17 Thread M.C. Vernon
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Christian Meder wrote: On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 05:12:30PM -0700, Joel Klecker wrote: At 01:30 +0200 1999-09-17, Raphael Hertzog wrote: where are you ? Where are the people who criticized the ftpmaster about beeing too slow ? It's time to show that you can do better ...

Re: debian-devel-digest Digest V99 #1154

1999-09-17 Thread Oliver Rother
How do I unsubscribe? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 11:05 AM Subject: debian-devel-digest Digest V99 #1154

Re: Bug o' the week

1999-09-17 Thread Chris Rutter
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Michael Stone wrote: How much trouble would it be to add another category--unreproduced or somesuch? Yes, or `observational', `possible', that sort of thing. I agree. -- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( http://www.fluff.org/chris )

Re: history (Was Re: Corel/Debian Linux Installer)

1999-09-17 Thread Chris Rutter
On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, David Bristel wrote: With this in mind, I think that having a configuration variable for apt that would allow the downloaded .deb files to be put in a user defined place. This way, if your /var is close to being full, you could, for example, drop it into a temporary

Re: building kernel 2.0.x under potato

1999-09-17 Thread Chris Rutter
On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, John Lapeyre wrote: The 2.0.37 and 2.2.x kernels keep hanging on my AMD K6-2. This sounds *bad*, BTW; have you checked around to see if anyone else has had these kinds of freezing problems? Is your machine unstable in any other way? You may find all you need to do is

Re: ProFTPd being lame

1999-09-17 Thread Chris Rutter
Re: all the bug-finding in ProFTPd (I just read the SuSE notice about it being dropped for lameness reasons, including it *still* being vulnerable to remote exploit) -- if it is, indeed, *that* bad (and the common consensus among admins I know is that it is), perhaps the netkit ftpd shouldn't come

Re: (g)mc-4.5.38-2 still broken

1999-09-17 Thread Marek Habersack
* Piotr Roszatycki said: Well that won't work will it? Try running this: cd /tmp; ( cd /etc; pwd ); pwd No no, it isn't mc script but only function in your ~/.bash_profile or global /etc/profile. Exactly that was the point. The function executes in the context of the current

Re: (g)mc-4.5.38-2 still broken

1999-09-17 Thread Marek Habersack
* Eric Weigel said: I'm afraid many people have some kind of function or aliases related to _real_ mc binary and current mc wrapper can broke it. BTW, /usr/bin/mcedit is a symlink to /etc/bin/mc which is an only wrapper. This is the reason that mcedit doesn't work already. Quite.

Re: ProFTPd being lame

1999-09-17 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 11:46:52 +0100, Chris Rutter wrote: Most people I know prefer using the OpenBSD-derived server, because it seems to be more stable and less buggy than the rest -- why is it being deprecated by Debian (or Herbert, I don't know) in this way? Speaking of FTP servers, has

Re: fds_bits

1999-09-17 Thread Herbert Xu
Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: problem code: if (fds_bits[i]) { declaration in sys/types.h: /usr/include/bits/types.h: __fd_mask fds_bits[__FD_SETSIZE / __NFDBITS]; (there are a few other references, but i think this is the key one) does anyone know what i'm supposed

Re: history (Was Re: Corel/Debian Linux Installer)

1999-09-17 Thread David Starner
On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 11:38:29AM +0100, Chris Rutter wrote: On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, David Bristel wrote: With this in mind, I think that having a configuration variable for apt that would allow the downloaded .deb files to be put in a user defined place. This way, if your /var is close

Re: ITP: Rael's Binary Grabber

1999-09-17 Thread Brian Servis
*- On 17 Sep, Paul Slootman wrote about Re: ITP: Rael's Binary Grabber On Thu 16 Sep 1999, Joe Drew wrote: I've received an OK from the author of Rael's Binary Grabber to redistribute Perhaps you could shed some light on what `Rael's Binary Grabber' is? From

Re: Bug#45307: [PROPOSAL] virtual package ident-server

1999-09-17 Thread Clint Adams
The proliferation of ident daemons (midentd, oidentd, pidentd) in Debian necessitates the introduction of a virtual package that these packages can provide and conflict with (since you can only [reasonably] run one ident daemon at once). While ident-daemon seems more intuitive, the name

Re: history (Was Re: Corel/Debian Linux Installer)

1999-09-17 Thread David Starner
On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 07:30:37AM -0500, David Starner wrote: one apt-run - nothing in the cache, slink - potato. /tmp is usually on the / partition, which probably has less space than anything (and on many installs ends up on the / partition - at least that's how I was ^

Re: Metapackages (was Re: Debian Weekly News - September 14th, 1999)

1999-09-17 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Fabien Ninoles wrote: What should be good is a new state saying that a package has been install by the dependencies check rather than by user direct selection. So, the package will stay as long as it resolved a dependency, but be remove when no more package who depends on

Re: (g)mc-4.5.38-2 still broken

1999-09-17 Thread Philip Hands
Marek Habersack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [1 text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)] * Piotr Roszatycki said: Well that won't work will it? Try running this: cd /tmp; ( cd /etc; pwd ); pwd No no, it isn't mc script but only function in your ~/.bash_profile or

Re: (g)mc-4.5.38-2 still broken

1999-09-17 Thread Philip Hands
Marek Habersack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well then, they should be provided to the Debian user. They, AFAIR, install a similar function to the one presented in the other mail. The standard /etc/profile and similar scripts for other shells could be modified to source all scripts in, eg,

Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: Re: Deficiencies in Debian]

1999-09-17 Thread Fabien Ninoles
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 12:48:43PM -0700, Jakob 'sparky' Kaivo wrote: On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Raul Miller wrote: Thursday, September 16, 1999, 10:50:57 AM, Raul wrote: Um.. you're just not lazy enough... # cd /usr/local/bin # ln -s /usr/bin/perl On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at

Too many kernels in unstable

1999-09-17 Thread Brian Mays
Once 2.2.12 makes it out of Incoming, we will have 8 kernel versions in the unstable distribution? Do we REALLY need to provide that many versions of the kernel?? I hate to complain, but every time a new version of the PCMCIA modules is released, I have to build a set of packages for EACH of

Re: (g)mc-4.5.38-2 still broken

1999-09-17 Thread Michael Bramer
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 07:54:11PM +0200, Piotr Roszatycki wrote: On 16 Sep 1999, Philip Hands wrote: Wait a second. So this mc script is an attempt to leave you in the directory you were in when you left mc ? Well that won't work will it? Try running this: cd /tmp; (

Re: Crazy Idea: debian developer conference

1999-09-17 Thread Vaidhyanathan G Mayilrangam
I love it.. Last time, I went to Paris, it cost me about $450 US for a round trip from Atlanta. I think the fares are cheaper in Winter. Regards, Vaidhy PS: It would be a good idea if we can find out if a trip to Paris and then a train or flight would be cheaper than a direct flight to nl.

Re: Crazy Idea: debian developer conference

1999-09-17 Thread Russell Coker
Where? Preferably somewhere with a high density of debian developers. The California Bay Area (20 some developers with many more nearby) and the Netherlands come to mind. We'd need a map of where people live to make an informed choice.

Re: Crazy Idea: debian developer conference

1999-09-17 Thread Remco van de Meent
Steve Greenland wrote: If 250 attend that's $175k. Plus some unkown amount to rent out a convention center. Something you might consider is that colleges and universities often rent out dorm rooms in the summer. It wouldn't be plush, of course, but you'd probably be able to get a decent

Re: (g)mc-4.5.38-2 still broken

1999-09-17 Thread Martin Bialasinski
* Philip == Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Philip Personally, I would be quite upset to find that someone had put this Philip into my environment, because I have a very strong expectation that Philip when I exit a program, I'll be in the directory I started from. Personally, I found it

Re: Crazy Idea: debian developer conference

1999-09-17 Thread Chris Rutter
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Remco van de Meent wrote: Uhm, don't forget that in .nl there is only one campus university like the ones widespread in the USA. And moreover (I currently live on that campus) there ain't that many free dorm rooms during summer (people tend to stay on campus during

Re: Move proftpd to contrib

1999-09-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 10:42:36PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: This package has been a major source of serious security bugs and indicatiosn are that it will remain as such. Our Policy states that packages that are not sufficiently free of bugs to meet our standards should not be in main and

Re: Debian 2.1r3

1999-09-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 03:44:36PM +0100, Chris Rutter wrote: The current `sub-release' (whatever) of Debian 2.1 is r3, right? I was just wondering, as all references on the web site are to r2, but I thought I received a message from the security team about r3 last week somtime. Just wanted

Re: Move proftpd to contrib

1999-09-17 Thread David Bristel
Or a new section for packages removed from main due to bugs, but possibly still desired by some people? It's safer to have a clear message that Debian considers these packages to contain too many bugs for inclusion in the main distribution, but we are aware that there are some who want to use

Re: Debian 2.1r3

1999-09-17 Thread David Bristel
That's strange, since r3 can be found on a number of mirrors. Dave Bristel On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Josip Rodin wrote: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:51:03 +0200 From: Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris Rutter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Debian

Re: (g)mc-4.5.38-2 still broken

1999-09-17 Thread Marek Habersack
* Philip Hands said: No no, it isn't mc script but only function in your ~/.bash_profile or global /etc/profile. Exactly that was the point. The function executes in the context of the current shell, not in the child shell which is created when a #!/bin/bash script is invoked. Fair

Re: Move proftpd to contrib

1999-09-17 Thread Martin Bialasinski
* Hamish == Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hamish I don't think policy says that contrib is a dumping ground for Hamish crap packages. Can you point out which part to me please? If you call proftpd crap, how do you call dpkg? Please, I am in no part convinced that anything has to be

Re: Move proftpd to contrib

1999-09-17 Thread Josip Rodin
PLEASE reply below the old text, cut unneeded quote, and wrap your lines at 76 characters! On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 07:52:24AM -0700, David Bristel wrote: This package has been a major source of serious security bugs and indicatiosn are that it will remain as such. Our Policy states that

Re: Debian 2.1r3

1999-09-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 07:53:06AM -0700, David Bristel wrote: The current `sub-release' (whatever) of Debian 2.1 is r3, right? I was just wondering, as all references on the web site are to r2, but I thought I received a message from the security team about r3 last week somtime. Just

Re: Move proftpd to contrib

1999-09-17 Thread Joel Klecker
At 16:53 +0200 1999-09-17, Martin Bialasinski wrote: * Hamish == Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hamish I don't think policy says that contrib is a dumping ground for Hamish crap packages. Can you point out which part to me please? If you call proftpd crap, how do you call dpkg? No bug in

Re: Too many kernels in unstable

1999-09-17 Thread Guy Maor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Mays) writes: Once 2.2.12 makes it out of Incoming, we will have 8 kernel versions in the unstable distribution? Do we REALLY need to provide that many versions of the kernel?? What about just keeping the last 2.0.x and the last 2.2.x ? It's also a lot of space on

Re: Too many kernels in unstable

1999-09-17 Thread Brian Mays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Mays) writes: Once 2.2.12 makes it out of Incoming, we will have 8 kernel versions in the unstable distribution? Do we REALLY need to provide that many versions of the kernel?? Guy == Guy Maor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about just keeping

Re: (g)mc-4.5.38-2 still broken

1999-09-17 Thread Martin Bialasinski
* Michael == Michael Bramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael I make a new upload (or you make a NMU) and remove all the last changes. I just got blessings from Michael to do the NMU. Just to inform you, so there are no duplicate effords. Ciao, Martin

Re: ProFTPd being lame

1999-09-17 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 17, Chris Rutter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people I know prefer using the OpenBSD-derived server, because it seems to be more stable and less buggy than the rest -- why is it being deprecated by Debian (or Herbert, I don't know) in this way? It lacks a lot of features needed by

Re: Too many kernels in unstable

1999-09-17 Thread Hartmut Koptein
Once 2.2.12 makes it out of Incoming, we will have 8 kernel versions in the unstable distribution? Do we REALLY need to provide that many versions of the kernel?? What about just keeping the last 2.0.x and the last 2.2.x ? It's also a lot of space on the ftp site. And maybe one from

Re: Too many kernels in unstable

1999-09-17 Thread Josip Rodin
Guy Maor wrote: What about just keeping the last 2.0.x and the last 2.2.x ? I agree. One 2.0.x, one 2.2.x, eventually one 2.[34].x version. This has been discussed before, people agreed that there's too much of the kernel packages in there. You're the FTP admin, please act. Brian Mays wrote:

Re: Too many kernels in unstable

1999-09-17 Thread Edward Betts
Brian Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once 2.2.12 makes it out of Incoming, we will have 8 kernel versions in the unstable distribution? Do we REALLY need to provide that many versions of the kernel?? I hate to complain, but every time a new version of the PCMCIA modules is released, I have

Re: Too many kernels in unstable

1999-09-17 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Edward Betts wrote: My suggestion would be: kernel-{doc,headers,image,source}-2.0.38 kernel-{doc,headers,image,source}-2.2.12 Can anybody provide arguements against just having two kernels? 1- Sometimes a new `stable' kernel introduces new bugs or problems. (Didn't Debian recommend

Announcing debconf, configuration management for debian

1999-09-17 Thread Joey Hess
This is a bit long, so I'll summarize: Debconf is a tool that packages can use to ask questions when they are installed. It allows various frontends, from dialog, to gtk to web pages to be used, and it also allows for non-interactive package installs, and allows packages to ask questions

Re: Announcing debconf, configuration management for debian

1999-09-17 Thread Ben Gertzfield
This is great, Joey! Can you show an example of how to use apt-get to *skip* configuration questions altogether? Ben -- Brought to you by the letters W and O and the number 14. It should be illegal to yell 'Y2K' in a crowded economy. Debian GNU/Linux maintainer of Gimp and GTK+ --

An extended proposal concerning Metapackages

1999-09-17 Thread ozkural
While discussing Free-BSD style base system installation I'd come up with the following suggestion: \begin{quote} Another issue is the division of Debian archives and development into logical sections such that development gets a speed-up. In that respect, a minimal change to the current

demo vs. real package: FYI (was Re: Announcing debconf, configuration management for debian)

1999-09-17 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 11:23:36AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: show to people. If you would like to try out debconf, simply add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://va.debian.org/~joeyh/ debconf/ There are a few packages in there modified to use debconf. Good examples

Re: Move proftpd to contrib

1999-09-17 Thread Martin Bialasinski
* Joel == Joel Klecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joel At 16:53 +0200 1999-09-17, Martin Bialasinski wrote: If you call proftpd crap, how do you call dpkg? Joel No bug in dpkg has ever resulted in a a remote root exploit. OK, a bug in cron has recently produced a root exploit. What a crappy

Re: Announcing debconf, configuration management for debian

1999-09-17 Thread Joey Hess
Ben Gertzfield wrote: This is great, Joey! Can you show an example of how to use apt-get to *skip* configuration questions altogether? Assumming you have debconf installed, edit /etc/apt/apt.conf, make it look like this: // Pre-configure all packages before they are installed.

Re: demo vs. real package: FYI (was Re: Announcing debconf, configuration management for debian)

1999-09-17 Thread Joey Hess
Raul Miller wrote: FYI, sash_3.3-5 (which has been sitting in Incoming for the last couple weeks) no longer prompts at postinst time, as the postinst/prerm scripts have been completely redesigned. That's great. The one in the apt repository is of course only a sample. -- see shy jo

Re: Move proftpd to contrib

1999-09-17 Thread Chris Rutter
On 17 Sep 1999, Martin Bialasinski wrote: OK, a bug in cron has recently produced a root exploit. What a crappy software, it should be moved to contrib. Yes, but there aren't *hundreds* of bugs in cron, all giving security problems; it has been subject (presumably) to security review; bugs

Re: Move proftpd to contrib

1999-09-17 Thread Johnie Ingram
Chris == Chris Rutter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris And, also, arguably cron is a more important part of a Unix Chris system than a specific FTP daemon. And I agree that proftpd should be moved to contrib in slink, if not removed entirely -- no one has time to backport the

Re: Announcing debconf, configuration management for debian

1999-09-17 Thread Scott Barker
I have some suggestions. Does anyone care to comment? 1) Separate interactive and non-interactive installation scripts. I suggest that the current debian install scripts should contain *only* non-interative functionality, such as running ldconfig, update-rc.d, etc. *All* interactive

Re: building kernel 2.0.x under potato

1999-09-17 Thread John Lapeyre
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Chris Rutter wrote: chrisOn Thu, 16 Sep 1999, John Lapeyre wrote: chris chris The 2.0.37 and 2.2.x kernels keep hanging on my AMD K6-2. chris chrisThis sounds *bad*, BTW; have you checked around to see if anyone chriselse has had these kinds of freezing problems? Is your

Re: Too many kernels in unstable

1999-09-17 Thread John Lapeyre
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Brian Mays wrote: brian brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Mays) writes: brian brian Once 2.2.12 makes it out of Incoming, we will have 8 kernel brian versions in the unstable distribution? Do we REALLY need to brian provide that many versions of the kernel??

Re: Announcing debconf, configuration management for debian

1999-09-17 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 11:57:44AM -0700, Joey Hess was heard to say: Ben Gertzfield wrote: This is great, Joey! Can you show an example of how to use apt-get to *skip* configuration questions altogether? Assumming you have debconf installed, edit /etc/apt/apt.conf, make it look like

Re: Move proftpd to contrib

1999-09-17 Thread Joel Klecker
At 20:45 +0200 1999-09-17, Martin Bialasinski wrote: OK, a bug in cron has recently produced a root exploit. What a crappy software, it should be moved to contrib. There's no evidence that cron has another one just waiting to happen. People on linux-security-audit *have* said that about proftpd,

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