Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-09-24 Thread Thomas Zimmerman
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:04:15 +0200 martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd appreciate if you would not quote me on a mailing list without > my consent. Anyhow... > > also sprach Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.22.2114 +0200]: > > It's a well accepted fact among kernel develop

Re: popsneaker vs. bandwidth consumption [was:Re: Virus emails]

2003-09-24 Thread Jochen Voss
Hello, On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 03:41:36PM +0200, Paul Seelig wrote: > snip - > Package: popsneaker > Status: install ok installed > Priority: optional > Section: mail > Installed-Size: 159 > Maintainer: Stefan Baehre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Version: 0.6.2-1 > Dep

Re: Bug#211784: Not just nis...

2003-09-24 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 12:07, Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: [ cc'ing -devel due to the widespreadness of the problem ] > I don't know, but I have seen this happen (and because of this I tend > not to use restart; I use a manual stop/start, and let the extra delay > caused by typing the options help)

[RESOLVED] Compiling nForce drivers

2003-09-24 Thread Shaun Jackman
I was having trouble with the nvaudio module crashing. I've found a magic incantation that works for me. I thought I'd post it here. Cheers, Shaun apt-get install gcc-3.3 apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.20-3-k7 kernel-headers-2.4.20-3-k7 ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.20-3-k7 \ /lib/modules/

What does 3 mean? 2.4.20-3-k7

2003-09-24 Thread Shaun Jackman
2.4.20 is the Linux kernel version. k7 means optimise for Athlon. What does 3 mean? Please cc me in your reply. Thanks, Shaun

Resolvconf -- a package to manage /etc/resolv.conf

2003-09-24 Thread Thomas Hood
The resolvconf package provides a framework for dynamic updating of /etc/resolv.conf and other nameserver lists. (See the long description at packages.debian.org/resolvconf .) The resolvconf package is now at version 0.44 in unstable. If you are interested in the package and haven't tested it in

Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-09-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 08:27:49PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I am always willing to improve my packages; the constraints > are ability (I would need to grok the details of the current > implementation), time, and collaboration (I would need to find out > how to get a hook into the

Re: To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:08:07AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I currently patch my kernels with device-mapper, a few evms-related patches > > and skas3. It would be very convenient if device-mapper and the evms > > patches could be included in the the

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 07:20:59AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Both should record the change in the package which caused the bug to be > > closed. The change may be described at a high level (fixed the problem > > which caused ) or a low level (fixed

nForce nvaudio and kernel-image-2.4.20-3-k7

2003-09-24 Thread Shaun Jackman
I'm having trouble using nvaudio with kernel-image-2.4.20-3-k7. The nvaudio module is segfaulting. If this is working for someone, can you please e-mail me privately? Thanks, Shaun

Debian RC System/Init Scripts

2003-09-24 Thread Jerry Haltom
I'm curious if there has ever been any attempt to Policyize scripts located in init.d. Specifically requiring inclusion of such lines as DESC="description" or NAME="name". I ask because I am doing a little bit of work on the rc startup script. I have found a few scripts in the base install that do

Re: To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-24 Thread Herbert Xu
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OK, these are very minimal criteria, and I think that probably many of the > kernel-patch packages in Debian would fit them. Where would you draw the > line? Most of them fail the maintainence check. Unless the patch is clearly going to be merged up

Re: To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-24 Thread Herbert Xu
David Z Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ...do you include *everything* that comes by you that meets these > criteria? Because from this it sounds like anything that has an > upstream that can be built as modules would be included. My > particular directed thought right now is a somewhat inva

Re: Fw: libdtdparser-java_1.21-4_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-09-24 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Arnaud Vandyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got a problem and like to have some lights to correct it... > > 1° I did replace the orig.tar.gz of libdtdparser-java to remove the >generated doc and the generated jar file because I don't need them, >it's rebuilt from sour

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-24 Thread Herbert Xu
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > - a user to be able to read the changelog, with an idea of the bug in >> > his head, and find where it was fixed. For example, a stable user >> > reading an unstable changelog to see if a bug affecting him is fixed >> >> This is not relevant I'm a

Re: libdtdparser-java_1.21-4_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-09-24 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:24:44 -0500 (CDT) Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -sa doesn't work anymore with pools. You need to change the upstream > version. ok, thanks, I finally rebuilt the package with old original tarball. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** : :' : Arnaud Vandyck

Re: Fw: libdtdparser-java_1.21-4_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-09-24 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got a problem and like to have some lights to correct it... > > 1° I did replace the orig.tar.gz of libdtdparser-java to remove the >generated doc and the generated jar file because I don't need them, >it's rebuilt from source

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-09-24 Thread Chris Cheney
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 09:31:49PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > George Danchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > it is faster and wiser to fix your kernel-source-2.4.22 (unpatch is > > useless, > > leave to users to patch if they want) then all other > > kernel-patch- > > packages will be fine.

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-09-24 Thread Matthew Garrett
George Danchev wrote: >On Monday 22 September 2003 14:20, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> It would be inappropriate to do it within a stable release, sure, but it >> is something that Debian do do in general. > >Then all kernel-source-x.y.z prepared like this kernel-source-2.4.22 2.4.22-1 >will never b

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-09-24 Thread martin f krafft
I'd appreciate if you would not quote me on a mailing list without my consent. Anyhow... also sprach Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.22.2114 +0200]: > It's a well accepted fact among kernel developers that vanilla > kernel.org kernels should not be used by end users. Could you point m

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-09-24 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Herbert Xu wrote: > George Danchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> it is faster and wiser to fix your kernel-source-2.4.22 (unpatch is useless, >> leave to users to patch if they want) then all other kernel-patch- >> packages will be fine. > > It is unacceptable for us to distribute kerne

Bug#212632: ITP: libtest-warn-perl -- Perl extension to test methods for warnings

2003-09-24 Thread Jay Bonci
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-09-24 Severity: wishlist -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: libtest-warn-perl Version : 0.08 Upstream Author : Janek Schliecher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-War

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-09-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 07:52:40PM +0200, Domenico Andreoli wrote: > sorry for the profane question, is IPsec related to any security issue > in 2.4.2x kernels? i don't care about IPsec, i don't either know what > it really is and i'm having problems with it. is there a way to throw > away it with

Re: Virus emails

2003-09-24 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 07:37:03AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > > Runs spamc twice. Usually it won't matter, but with higher traffic, the load > > will increase for obvious reasons... > > spamc isn't run twice. exiscan-acl *can* run the mail through SA as a > test. It doesn't /have/ to. So if

Fw: libdtdparser-java_1.21-4_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-09-24 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Hi all, I've got a problem and like to have some lights to correct it... 1° I did replace the orig.tar.gz of libdtdparser-java to remove the generated doc and the generated jar file because I don't need them, it's rebuilt from sources! 2° I dpatch it and now it can be built with free c

Re: kernel-source == Linux or Hurd or ???

2003-09-24 Thread Joel Baker
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 01:56:09PM -0500, Ryan Underwood wrote: > > Hi, > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 08:03:18PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > > > > This is a good point. Debian makes an effort to be kernel > > independent, so why does the kernel-source install Linux? > > > > I think we should

Re: popsneaker vs. bandwidth consumption

2003-09-24 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ah, and a fast fix for the actual worm is to set MAXSIZE_ALLOW to > something smaller than 140k. Erm. Its MAXSIZE_DENY for this, except one defines the virus senders with some ALLOW rule before. Brrr. :) -- bye Joerg 2.5 million B.C.: OOG the Open Sou

Format of Release file and tools to create

2003-09-24 Thread debacle
Hi, where can I find the "official" definition for the Release file (http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/Release), e.g. a BNF or an informal description? Which is the tool (of choice) to create the files? How are the lines with the md5sums created? TIA and cheers!

Re: popsneaker vs. bandwidth consumption

2003-09-24 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Paul Seelig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Of those packages in the archive, mailfilter is the best IMHO. However, I >> ended up *not* using it because it doesn't support ANDing of conditions >> AFAICT ("size > 100k AND header spelling "SUBJECT:"). > Then maybe you should have a look at popsneak

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-09-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 08:03:50PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.22.1343 +0200]: > > However, they might be useful to people using make-kpkg and patch > > packages to get the right dependencies and ease the download. Thus > > I would not vote

Re: kernel-source == Linux or Hurd or ???

2003-09-24 Thread Ryan Underwood
Hi, On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 08:03:18PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > > This is a good point. Debian makes an effort to be kernel > independent, so why does the kernel-source install Linux? > > I think we should rename to linux-kernel-source, linux-kernel-image > and so on... I very much agre

Re: kernel-source == Linux or Hurd or ???

2003-09-24 Thread Joel Baker
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 08:03:18PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Bernhard R. Link <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.22.1213 +0200]: > > So your complain reduces in my eyes to an incomplete label. > > I personally think not having the term "linux" in it more of an > > issue than having "-de

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-09-24 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.22.1320 +0200]: > It would be inappropriate to do it within a stable release, sure, > but it is something that Debian do do in general. In this case > it's a chunk of code that has almost nothing to do with the core > kernel code - it just so

Re: Virus emails

2003-09-24 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 06:33:45PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Op wo 24-09-2003, om 17:05 schreef Gunnar Wolf: > > And I insist... Do you want to stop every mail which is (peeking at my > > inbox) between 1887 and 2183 bytes long just because it might be a > > virus? > > Hm. I was under the i

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-09-24 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.22.1343 +0200]: > However, they might be useful to people using make-kpkg and patch > packages to get the right dependencies and ease the download. Thus > I would not vote to throw them out completely. make-kpkg and kernel-patches/modules work j

kernel-source == Linux or Hurd or ???

2003-09-24 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Bernhard R. Link <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.22.1213 +0200]: > So your complain reduces in my eyes to an incomplete label. > I personally think not having the term "linux" in it more of an > issue than having "-debian" in it... This is a good point. Debian makes an effort to be kernel

dueling banjos, sheet music

2003-09-24 Thread Tom Eykens
Dear googlers, I've juist made a transcription of the 'dueling banjos' for two guitars. Have a look at http://www.muziekzetter.be/free/dueling_banjos.pdf Comments are welcome! This sheet was made with Finale, a proprietary Windoze program (the only thing that is keeping me from using Debian all

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-09-24 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Bernhard R. Link <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.22.1213 +0200]: > Thus I see absolutely no reason, why I should want > a debian-package with a unmodified source-tree. Because -- it may be on a CD and you cannot download 25+ Mb -- your kernel source is integrated with the Debian pack

Re: Virus emails

2003-09-24 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Daniel Burrows dijo [Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 01:10:57PM -0400]: > > And I insist... Do you want to stop every mail which is (peeking at my > > inbox) between 1887 and 2183 bytes long just because it might be a > > virus? > > Um, those are line counts, not byte counts. 1889 lines is about 140k > o

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-09-24 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.22.1155 +0200]: > And if you meant the kernel-source package, then please think > twice before you request a such thing. Your "idea" would require > dozens of versions of kernel-source-NUMBER-foo every time when > I a small fix had to be applied

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-09-24 Thread Domenico Andreoli
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 09:31:49PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > George Danchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > it is faster and wiser to fix your kernel-source-2.4.22 (unpatch is > > useless, > > leave to users to patch if they want) then all other > > kernel-patch- > > packages will be fine.

Bug#53121: ankal auackery

2003-09-24 Thread Grace Hayes
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Re: Debian provide un-modified source for kernel-patch

2003-09-24 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.09.22.0005 +0200]: > There is a file /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.4.22/debian/list whose > content goes like: > - > # This file is sorted by patch dependency. The patch which applies to the > # upstream kernel must come first. > > patch-2.

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-24 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 11:55:37AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: >> Simply saying that the bug was fixed in the new upstream release doesn't >> tell the user why > > Why a bug wa gixed is obvious, because it was a bug. > > - XXX does nt delete temp file > -

Re: Virus emails

2003-09-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op wo 24-09-2003, om 17:05 schreef Gunnar Wolf: > And I insist... Do you want to stop every mail which is (peeking at my > inbox) between 1887 and 2183 bytes long just because it might be a > virus? Hm. I was under the impression that they were a lot larger. OK, never mind... -- Wouter Verhels

Re: Virus emails

2003-09-24 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Wouter Verhelst dijo [Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 09:03:39AM +0200]: > > I don't think so - And if so, this could break many client MTAs. > > According to the protocol definition [1], > > [...] > > > [1] http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc0821.txt > > MTAs that still stick to nothing but RFC821 are horribly o

Re: Virus emails

2003-09-24 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:17:45 +0200 Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Runs spamc twice. Usually it won't matter, but with higher traffic, the load > will increase for obvious reasons... spamc isn't run twice. exiscan-acl *can* run the mail through SA as a test. It doesn't /have/ to. S

Re: Virus emails

2003-09-24 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:52:30PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > > > Same here though I am sticking with SA-Exim because it saves the mail > > > in a certain range so I can throw it at the Bayesian classifier. > > > I usually don't have large enough partitions to hold all the spam (!) > > C

Re: Virus emails

2003-09-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op di 23-09-2003, om 01:48 schreef Gunnar Wolf: > Mike Hommey dijo [Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:28:44AM +0200]: > > > > helps catching 95%... But the bandwidth is still used... I'm still > > > > looking for a pure MTA solution... > > > > > > A pure MTA solution would still need to scan the body and thu

Bug#212049: {Virus?} Newest Critical Upgrade

2003-09-24 Thread MS Corporation Network Security Center
Warning: This message has had one or more attachments removed (UPGRADE.exe). Please read the "VirusWarning.txt" attachment(s) for more information.   Microsoft   All Products |  Support |  Search |  Microsoft.com Guide  Microsoft Home     Microsoft Client this is the late

Bug#212049: "dependency" used backwards

2003-09-24 Thread Daniel B.
See detailed discussion in Bug#212034: Debian Perl Policy manual uses "dependency" backwards, especially the ends of my last two messages, regarding ambiguity of the terminology (even if we continue to disagree on the rest of it). Daniel -- Daniel Barclay [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bits from the RM

2003-09-24 Thread Chris Hagar
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:12:42 +0200 cobaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > KDE is not mission critical in the sense that when a user's KDE-instance > crashes the KDE-instances of the other users will continue to run. Just > like when -in that same organization with some thousands of X terminals- > 1 X