Am Montag, den 15.12.2008, 00:31 + schrieb Steve McIntyre:
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:23:18PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Debian Project Secretary secret...@debian.org (13/12/2008):
FIRST CALL FOR VOTES FOR THE Lenny Release General Resolution
= === = === ===
Thomas Weber thomas.weber.m...@gmail.com (15/12/2008):
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2008/11/msg00046.html
Let's quote for people following at home:
| So, we now have a discussion period of two weeks, though I would
| prefer to actually start the vote Sunday 00:00:00 UTC (on
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:33:27PM +, Peter Palfrader wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Boycotting is unlikely to prevent all ballot options from reaching the
Yeah Boycotting is silly, that's why I've voted for FD first, my
preferred choices second, the rest
[Loïc Minier]
[ MFU debian-vote@ ]
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008, Debian Project Secretary wrote:
[ ] Choice 1: Reaffirm the Social Contract
I'm fine with reaffirming the social contract.
This choice is actually about delaying Lenny, and not so much about
reaffirming the social contract. The
Le dimanche 14 décembre 2008 à 23:06 +0100, Luk Claes a écrit :
The firmware GR
===
With these hopefully solid plans in place for the release, we feel the
need to acknowledge that there is an ongoing vote whose outcome could
potentially disrupt them. In the release team we
Hi,
I don't think d-d-a is meant to be used as a forum, but since others are
doing so, I guess it's fine if I join.
With these hopefully solid plans in place for the release, we feel the
need to acknowledge that there is an ongoing vote whose outcome could
potentially disrupt them.
Luk is
retitel 449205 ITP: otf-stix -- the Scientific and Technical Information
owner !
thanks
I've investigated a current status of MathML support and
I'd like to upload a package of STIX fonts.
At present, we have latex-xft-fonts, xfonts-mathml,
ttf-mathematica4.1 for MathML but with iceweasel
Hi!
I would like to ask for some help for the bug #508443, if possible,
please.
The problem is that I don't have a sparc machine (I have access to the
developer accessible ones, like smetana.debian.org, but I just can't
get an imagemagick package built with the debug symbols nor there is a
devo...@vote.debian.org devo...@vote.debian.org (15/12/2008):
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Ask the DAMs to postpone the changes until vote or consensus.\n4.49 -
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On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 10:36 +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
Hi,
I don't think d-d-a is meant to be used as a forum, but since others are
doing so, I guess it's fine if I join.
With these hopefully solid plans in place for the release, we feel the
need to acknowledge that there is an ongoing
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 10:54 +0100, Romain Beauxis wrote:
Le Monday 15 December 2008 10:36:50 Robert Millan, vous avez écrit :
With these hopefully solid plans in place for the release, we feel the
need to acknowledge that there is an ongoing vote whose outcome could
potentially disrupt
Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding
this Bug report.
This is an automatically generated reply to let you know your message
has been received.
Your message is being forwarded to the package maintainers and other
interested parties for their attention; they will
Kalle Kivimaa kil...@debian.org writes:
Please refrain from using the absolutely wrong list for your own
political purposes in the future.
As Cyril already pointed out, Robert's post was to the devel, not to
the devel-announce, so please ignore my outburst. Sorry for the noise.
--
*
2008/12/13 Jens Peter Secher j...@debian.org:
The package version is libpam-ssh_1.92-3 in experimental. I have
tested it extensively, but there is an awful number of ways to use the
module, so I might have missed something. Please help me and give it
some real-life testing. :-)
Mmm, I
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 08:50:46PM +0100, Bastian Venthur wrote:
Stefano Zacchiroli schrieb:
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:58:57AM +0100, Bastian Venthur wrote:
Why is this important mail hidden in -devel? I wouldn't have noticed it
if I hadn't read something about this on planet-debian.
Robert Millan r...@aybabtu.com (15/12/2008):
I don't think d-d-a is meant to be used as a forum, but since others
are doing so, I guess it's fine if I join.
Thankfully, replies to mail sent to dda@ land in d...@. You fail.
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Kalle Kivimaa kil...@debian.org (15/12/2008):
As Cyril already pointed out, Robert's post was to the devel, not to
the devel-announce, so please ignore my outburst. Sorry for the noise.
No no, you were right:
| From: Robert Millan r...@aybabtu.com
| To: debian-devel-annou...@lists.debian.org
* Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho [Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:53:29 +0200]:
The only constitutional way to get rid of the Secretary without his consent is
for the DPL to fail to reappoint him, which would automatically mean (since
I'm
assuming that the Secretary does not go willingly) that a replacement
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On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 09:50:29AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Is there someone on the plane here to do what's needed with the
secretary? If the DPL isn't willing to take any action here (and I'm
really annoyed that despite repeated questions about it he never showed
up in the
Greetings,
This message is an automated, unofficial publication of vote results.
Official results shall follow, sent in by the vote taker, namely
Debian Project Secretary
This email is just a convenience for the impatient.
I remain, gentle folks,
Your humble servant,
Am Montag, den 15.12.2008, 10:06 + schrieb Steve McIntyre:
I've been talking with Manoj already, in private to try and avoid
flaming. I specifically asked him to delay this vote until the
numerous problems with it were fixed, and it was started anyway. I'm
*really* not happy with that, and
Romain Beauxis to...@rastageeks.org writes:
Unfortunately you forgot to also mention this bug for instance:
http://bugs.debian.org/494120
Which has been prematurely archived on 2008-08-15 while in
mid-discussion, by one party in that discussion.
--
\“There are no significant
Robert Millan r...@aybabtu.com writes:
I don't think d-d-a is meant to be used as a forum, but since others are
doing so, I guess it's fine if I join.
Mmm, who is doing so? Do you mean the release team update? If so, I
don't think the update qualifies as using devel-announce as a forum.
And
Le Monday 15 December 2008 10:36:50 Robert Millan, vous avez écrit :
With these hopefully solid plans in place for the release, we feel the
need to acknowledge that there is an ongoing vote whose outcome could
potentially disrupt them.
Luk is referring to 11 bugs in linux-2.6 which all
* Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho [Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:10:34 +0200]:
But your interpretation is certainly possible. Of course, that just means
it's up to the Secretary to rule which (if either) is correct :)
Brilliant.
--
Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 01:59:27PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho antti-juh...@kaijanaho.fi writes:
Doesn't it occur to you that there might be a reason why the Secretary
cannot
be removed by GR or by the Leader's whim?
Actually, the Secretary *can* be removed by a
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho antti-juh...@kaijanaho.fi writes:
Doesn't it occur to you that there might be a reason why the Secretary cannot
be removed by GR or by the Leader's whim?
Actually, the Secretary *can* be removed by a GR. The GR must of
course amend the Constitution at the same time to
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:59:01PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote:
What does §4.1.7 mean, then? Can't it be read to mean that the DPL may
appoint a new Secretary not at end of term, if there's disagreement
between them?
I read it as a reference to the second paragraph of Section 7.2. Notice the
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 09:50:29AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:33:27PM +, Peter Palfrader wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Boycotting is unlikely to prevent all ballot options from reaching the
Yeah Boycotting is silly, that's why I've
Neil McGovern schrieb:
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 08:50:46PM +0100, Bastian Venthur wrote:
Stefano Zacchiroli schrieb:
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:58:57AM +0100, Bastian Venthur wrote:
Why is this important mail hidden in -devel? I wouldn't have noticed it
if I hadn't read something about this on
Thomas Weber thomas.weber.m...@gmail.com writes:
Am Montag, den 15.12.2008, 10:06 + schrieb Steve McIntyre:
I've been talking with Manoj already, in private to try and avoid
flaming. I specifically asked him to delay this vote until the numerous
problems with it were fixed, and it was
Adeodato Simó d...@net.com.org.es writes:
What does §4.1.7 mean, then? Can't it be read to mean that the DPL may
appoint a new Secretary not at end of term, if there's disagreement
between them?
I believe this only applies in the context of 7.2 (replacing the
secretary). This was discussed
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:36:50AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
Hi,
I don't think d-d-a is meant to be used as a forum, but since others are
doing so, I guess it's fine if I join.
With these hopefully solid plans in place for the release, we feel the
need to acknowledge that there is
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Currently any time I want to update a package for Lenny it has to go through
unstable and testing first.
If the Lenny freeze time was short this MIGHT be considered to be only a minor
obstacle to development. But as the freeze is getting longer and we have a
GR which could make it a lot
Package: wnpp
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Hi
Dne Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:02:59 +1100
Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au napsal(a):
Currently any time I want to update a package for Lenny it has to go through
unstable and testing first.
If the Lenny freeze time was short this MIGHT be considered to be only a
minor
obstacle to
Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au (16/12/2008):
I think that we need a way to upload to Lenny without involving
unstable.
Or you might use experimental, and keep unstable for lenny.
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Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au wrote:
Hi,
I think that we need a way to upload to Lenny without involving unstable.
Something like testing-proposed-updates, which already exists today, and
also existed for previous releases?
Failing that I will create my own repository for unstable
Michal Čihař ni...@debian.org (15/12/2008):
I thought testing-proposed-updates is for that...
tpu is considered a last resort measure in case it's not possible to fix
a package through unstable. Less testing (hmm) through tpu than through
unstable is a part of the problem with pushing things
Hi Russell
If I upload a significantly newer version to unstable (which I would like
to do for some of my packages as part of ongoing development that will lead
to Lenny+1) then AKAIK there is no way to put a minor update in Lenny
(unless I was to use an epoch change which would be horrible
Cc to debian-devel, because the package in question is also in Lenny. I
sure would hope this can get fixed before the release. For me, it makes
apps like OpenOffice.org unusable.
I encountered the bug yet again and re-opened the Bug at the X.org
Bugzilla:
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 09:30:33PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote:
You mean, something like experimental?
You failed Basic research 101. And it was as simple as going to
http://release.debian.org and read the Lenny freeze announcement
Russell Coker schrieb:
[...]
While changes to the processes for uploading new packages are probably not
desirable when a freeze is starting, it seems that Lenny might be delayed for
a while. So if the GR on the Lenny release ends up actually changing
anything then I suggest that we make
Bastian Venthur vent...@debian.org (15/12/2008):
Some suggest to cherry pick packages from experimental, but first some
packages like the kernel aren't even available there and second,
AFAICT since kernel people are already busy with getting the kernel in
shape for lenny. Not because of some
Bastian Venthur wrote:
Russell Coker schrieb:
[...]
While changes to the processes for uploading new packages are probably
not desirable when a freeze is starting, it seems that Lenny might be
delayed for
a while. So if the GR on the Lenny release ends up actually changing
anything then I
Didier Raboud schrieb:
Bastian Venthur wrote:
What I'd like to see is a solution where unstable is *never* frozen,
maybe by replacing the current frozen unstable with something temporary
and putting it between unstable and testing, where all the fixes go
while all the new stuff can still go
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Bastian Venthur vent...@debian.org (15/12/2008):
Another way to see it is that unstable is constantly flowing and we're
just forking a stable distribution from it from time to time.
It's called Ubuntu.
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Bastian Venthur wrote:
Didier Raboud schrieb:
Bastian Venthur wrote:
What I'd like to see is a solution where unstable is *never* frozen,
maybe by replacing the current frozen unstable with something temporary
and putting it between unstable and testing, where all the fixes go
while all the
Didier Raboud schrieb:
Bastian Venthur wrote:
Something like that, I don't really care about the name. The important
thing is, that unstable is never frozen, but temporarily disconnected
from the unstable testing stable flow.
Another way to see it is that unstable is constantly flowing and
Hmmm.
Thinking about it again:
* For now, until the Lenny Release, there is testing-proposed-updates, which
should maybe pushed more for users and DD's to use.
* http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseProposals has enough thoughts about possible
changes. Maybe develop ideas further more directly in the
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On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 08:41:06PM +, Noah Slater wrote:
You failed Basic research 101. And it was as simple as going to
http://release.debian.org and read the Lenny freeze announcement
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg7.html that
is
linked under the
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Bastian Venthur wrote:
Didier Raboud schrieb:
Bastian Venthur wrote:
Something like that, I don't really care about the name. The important
thing is, that unstable is never frozen, but temporarily disconnected
from the unstable testing stable flow.
Another way to see it is that unstable
Torsten Werner twer...@debian.org writes:
* Package name: surefire
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Upstream Author : Apache Software Foundation
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Description : Surefire test
Didier Raboud schrieb:
Bastian Venthur wrote:
currently during the freeze:
unstable (frozen) testing stable
new:
unstable || unstable (frozen) testing stable
That's
http://wiki.debian.org/AddAnotherRepositoryBetweenUnstableAndTesting
Which needs update and
Le Monday 15 December 2008 23:19:55 Bastian Venthur, vous avez écrit :
Note that forking+stable'izing Sid is what Ubuntu does every six months.
Is that important? Unstable is frozen for nearly 1/2 year now, that's a
problem we should try to solve if we don't want to degrade ourselves to
a
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2008/12/15 Luca Niccoli lultimou...@gmail.com:
If I type a non-existent user name, I'm asked the SSH password anyway...
That is intentional to make it harder to tell the difference between
which users exist and which do not.
My /etc/pam.d/gdm
#%PAM-1.0
authrequisite
Romain Beauxis wrote:
You can't get both recent *and* stabilized software. For a solid release
to be done, one needs to hold new improvements for a while.
Yes. But there is a bunch of non-DD people that strongly want to use Debian
and prefer the recent software over the stabilized one. With
Le Tuesday 16 December 2008 00:29:21 Didier Raboud, vous avez écrit :
You can't get both recent *and* stabilized software. For a solid release
to be done, one needs to hold new improvements for a while.
Yes. But there is a bunch of non-DD people that strongly want to use Debian
and prefer
2008/12/16 Jens Peter Secher j...@debian.org:
That is intentional to make it harder to tell the difference between
which users exist and which do not.
(I know, it was just to point to the fact the pam-ssh is actually running)
Using option 'try_first_pass' does not make any difference when no
2008/12/15 Bastian Venthur vent...@debian.org:
Something like that, I don't really care about the name. The important
thing is, that unstable is never frozen, but temporarily disconnected
from the unstable testing stable flow.
Another way to see it is that unstable is constantly flowing
On 14 Dec 2008 10:04 +, Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote:
(s/506478/506748/ - just a typo that confused me for a while.)
Err, yes. I'm impressed you tracked it down anyway. =)
http://debathena.mit.edu/debian-bts/
Sample output is here:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:21 AM, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote:
There are currently 31 bugs marked lenny-ignore. As I understand things,
if option 1 makes it all those 31 need to be fixed before we can release
lenny.
Some of these are technical issues rather than DFSG issues, so aren't
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