On 05/26/2012 09:20 AM, Nikolaus Rath wrote:
I believe tmpfs memory is swapped out preferentially, so your scenario
doesn't have to play out like that. However, paging being a complex
process, it's not impossible either.
disclaimerI haven't read the actual kernel code, just making assumption
On 05/25/2012 10:03 PM, Philip Ashmore wrote:
Hi there.
First, here's what I'm talking about -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permalink
Unfortunately Wikipedia doesn't offer permalinks itself, so
hopefully the above link won't rot.
And here's the permalink to the above article, as it was
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 03:24:02AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
/tmp 8,0G 60M 8,0G1% /tmp
Does this count as large files?
As a lot of small-only files?
Exactly how is this a practical explanation and example? :/
Are you saying that in *your case*
Hi,
I generated a list of source packages which have been removed from
unstable, but are still kept into experimental for some reason. I
excluded those which seem maintained, and generated a dd-list of the
remaining ones. I will file removal bugs for them within the end of
June if nobody claims
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 12:09:53 +0200, Luca Falavigna wrote:
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This should be kept around, and a newer version uploaded to unstable.
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Ted Ts'o ty...@mit.edu wrote:
The major difference is that tmpfs pages only get written out to swap
when the system is under memory pressure. In contrast, pages which
are backed by a filesystem will start being written to disk after 30
seconds _or_ if the
On Fri, 25 May 2012 15:12:03 -0400
Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote:
Weldon Goree wel...@b.rontosaur.us writes:
If only ext*fs supported quotas...
Aren't quotas only for non-root and per file system? I think we're
already safe from non-root filling up / because of the reserved 5%.
2012/5/26 Clint Byrum:
On laptops and other power sensitive devices, this is pretty critical.
Hypothetical: I have 2GB of RAM, and I want to watch a 50MB video file
on a connection that will take, say, 10 minutes to cache the whole thing
(and its a 10 minute video).
With a regular
Weldon Goree wel...@b.rontosaur.us writes:
On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 10:02 -0400, Nikolaus Rath wrote:
I think having / and /tmp share the same file system is a bad idea,
because then writing lots of stuff to /tmp would potentially fill up
the root file system (that typically also includes
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On 05/26/2012 04:40 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 03:24:02AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
/tmp 8,0G 60M 8,0G1% /tmp
Does this count as large files?
As a lot of small-only files?
Exactly how is this a practical
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:47:37PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
/tmp 8,0G 60M 8,0G1% /tmp
Does this count as large files?
As a lot of small-only files?
Exactly how is this a practical explanation and example? :/
Are you saying that in
On 05/26/2012 01:33 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
On laptops and other power sensitive devices, this is pretty critical.
Hypothetical: I have 2GB of RAM, and I want to watch a 50MB video file
on a connection that will take, say, 10 minutes to cache the whole thing
(and its a 10 minute video).
With
On 05/26/2012 04:47 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
Try playing a 2h video with flash, and see that 60 MB isn't enough...
If Adobe Flash is broken, then fix it!
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I think that we should keep in mind that this is not about whether tmpfs
for /tmp is good or bad, or it gives a 3-second performance gain when
unpacking a tarball on /tmp, but about the sane default setting.
default settings are meant to be *sane* settings that prioritize
stability over
On 25/05/12 12:20, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2012, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
Because paging out a couple Gigabytes is veery different from
writing a couple Gigabytes to disk, of course.
Yes because writing that on disk will only block the thread performing the
On 05/26/2012 11:14 PM, François Bottin wrote:
On 05/26/2012 04:47 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
Try playing a 2h video with flash, and see that 60 MB isn't enough...
If Adobe Flash is broken, then fix it!
I will let you ask the sources from Adobe, create an
alternative *that works*. I will also
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
I will let you ask the sources from Adobe, create an alternative *that
works*. I will also let you fix all the other apps that we mentioned
that have the same kind of issues. But *IN THE MEAN WHILE*, until you
are done with this huge and important work,
On 26/05/12 19:13, Russ Allbery wrote:
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
I will let you ask the sources from Adobe, create an alternative *that
works*. I will also let you fix all the other apps that we mentioned
that have the same kind of issues. But *IN THE MEAN WHILE*, until you
are
Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com writes:
On 26/05/12 19:13, Russ Allbery wrote:
I find some of the assertions in this thread confusing. I've been
using tmpfs /tmp on my laptop for quite some time and have watched
hour-long movies via the Adobe Flash player and have never noticed
I hesitate to prolong this thread further, but I do have a couple of
data points. (and couldn't let Neil's nonsense go).
+++ Neil Williams [2012-05-25 16:15 +0100]:
So instead of fixing the defaults you suggest everybody to drop the
programs they use (mc, firefox, mysql)? ;)
On machines
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On 26/05/12 19:43, Russ Allbery wrote:
Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com writes:
On 26/05/12 19:13, Russ Allbery wrote:
I find some of the assertions in this thread confusing. I've been
using tmpfs /tmp on my laptop for quite some time and have watched
hour-long movies via the
On Sb, 26 mai 12, 21:29:30, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
… But that makes me recall a solution to both the /tmp and quota
issues I've seen somewhere: use ~/tmp/ instead of /tmp. This
way, user's temporary files will be subject to exactly the same
limits as all the other his
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 09:29:30PM +0700, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
… But that makes me recall a solution to both the /tmp and quota
issues I've seen somewhere: use ~/tmp/ instead of /tmp. This
way, user's temporary files will be subject to exactly the same
limits as all the
Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com writes:
On 26/05/12 19:43, Russ Allbery wrote:
Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com writes:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=666096
That bug contains little actual information, not even what software was
being used.
On 05/26/2012 07:08 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 05/26/2012 11:14 PM, François Bottin wrote:
On 05/26/2012 04:47 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
Try playing a 2h video with flash, and see that 60 MB isn't enough...
If Adobe Flash is broken, then fix it!
I will let you ask the sources from
On 26/05/2012 20:32, Ted Ts'o wrote:
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 09:29:30PM +0700, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
… But that makes me recall a solution to both the /tmp and quota
issues I've seen somewhere: use ~/tmp/ instead of /tmp. This
way, user's temporary files will be subject to
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 06:59:35PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
I hesitate to prolong this thread further, but I do have a couple of
data points. (and couldn't let Neil's nonsense go).
+++ Neil Williams [2012-05-25 16:15 +0100]:
So instead of fixing the defaults you suggest everybody to drop the
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 08:20:46PM +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote:
On 26/05/12 19:43, Russ Allbery wrote:
Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com writes:
On 26/05/12 19:13, Russ Allbery wrote:
I find some of the assertions in this thread confusing. I've been
using tmpfs
On 05/26/2012 06:53 AM, Jonathan Callen wrote:
On 05/25/2012 10:03 PM, Philip Ashmore wrote:
Hi there.
First, here's what I'm talking about -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permalink
Unfortunately Wikipedia doesn't offer permalinks itself, so
hopefully the above link won't rot.
And here's
Or, it should get clever and not unpack everything. There are plenty of
software that are able to read into archives without extracting from
them.
You can't do it for a .tar.gz or a .tar.bz and they are the most common kind
of archive.
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2012/5/26 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
Maybe trying to kill two birds with one stone, but what if the display
managers would set TMPDIR to ~/tmp/ (or ~/.cache/tmp or whatever)?
What's the point of dropping /tmp and then reinventing it in another
place on disk? Everyone could just continue using /tmp
Ted Ts'o wrote:
If you're worried about installations which don't have much memory
(i.e., the 512mb netbook), then swap is absolutely mandatory, I would
think!
Not really. I have no legitimate programs that use more than 50% of my 1 gb.
I have an SSD. So why enable swap? If chromium goes
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
In fact it is the other way. We have /var/tmp for the large file since
about forever, and important platforms that have /tmp in memory since the
early 2000's (Solaris)
And that STILL wasn't enough for people to not screw it up and dump large
files in
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 02:32:15PM -0400, Ted Ts'o wrote:
These days I'd argue that multi-user is such a corner case that it's
not worth optimizing for it as far as defaults are concerned. If
you're trying to run a secure multi-user system, you need to be an
expert system administrator, keep
Josselin Mouette wrote:
Oh stop, there is a difference: in a tmpfs the system doesn’t need to
commit the data on disk, and therefore can write it to disk whenever it
likes, especially when the disk is not too used. There is no need to
keep a journal nor to access the disk several times to
Ted Ts'o wrote:
The main advantage of tmpfs is that it gets wiped on reboot, and so it
prevents people and applications from thinking that they can keep
stuff in /tmp forever. It's also faster because a file system has to
do extra work to make sure the files are preserved after a reboot.
Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes:
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
In fact it is the other way. We have /var/tmp for the large file since
about forever, and important platforms that have /tmp in memory since
the early 2000's (Solaris)
And that STILL wasn't enough for people to not
Roger Leigh wrote:
I did want to have this for wheezy (#633299). But I lacked the time
and familiarity with the d-i code, and the d-i developers also have
higher priorities.
Personally, this d-i developer has as one priority that the system d-i
installs be broadly useful. d-i has at times
On 25/05/12 12:14, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2012, Thomas Goirand wrote:
for small files, and in that case, it's faster. In reality, it's
not that much faster, thanks to Linux caching of the filesystem,
Under heavy filesystem IO load, yes it is. By several orders of
On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 16:29 -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Ted Ts'o wrote:
The main advantage of tmpfs is that it gets wiped on reboot, and so it
prevents people and applications from thinking that they can keep
stuff in /tmp forever. It's also faster because a file system has to
do extra work
Again, I thought that:
There is a single base directory relative to which user-specific
non-essential (cached) data should be written. This directory is defined
by the environment variable $XDG_CACHE_HOME.
There is a single base directory relative to which user-specific runtime
files and
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 08:23:31PM +, brian m. carlson wrote:
I work for a company that develops software for shared-hosting
providers. I can guarantee you that multi-user is far from a corner
case. We employ 135 people and are growing, as is the shared-hosting
market.
For my personal
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 04:27:01PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Josselin Mouette wrote:
Oh stop, there is a difference: in a tmpfs the system doesn’t need to
commit the data on disk, and therefore can write it to disk whenever it
likes, especially when the disk is not too used. There is no need
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On 05/26/2012 03:09 PM, Philip Ashmore wrote:
I'm happy and sad with this. Happy that Wikipedia provides
permalink support. Sad that it didn't document it in its article
about permalinks.
Is there documentation on this feature somewhere?
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Hello everybody,
for one of the packages maintained by the pkg-eucalyptus team (euca2ools), the
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I see that there is already a Debian account on GitHub
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Debian package there as well.
I see that there is already a Debian account on
Hi folks,
Has anyone seen/heard from Patrick recently? He has a number of packages
which are somewhat out of date (lmms specifically interests me), which
would be good to get sorted prior to the freeze.
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On Sunday 27 May 2012, Luca Falavigna wrote:
Hi,
I generated a list of source packages which have been removed from
unstable, but are still kept into experimental for some reason. I
excluded those which seem maintained, and generated a dd-list of the
remaining ones. I will file removal
2012/5/27 Adam Borowski wrote:
I think that box had jfs, but other filesystems are no different: for
example, ext* will fsync() during a rename() call behind your back even
if you don't request it, forcing every file to hit the disk
This is easy to check:
$ cd /path/to/tmpfs
$ touch 1
$
2012/5/25 Iustin Pop wrote:
And no, I really can't think of any popular application is not a valid
discussion point.
But there're already popular applications and usecases that break because
of that. It can render the system unstable because of heavy swap usage.
So there must be some strong
Adam Borowski wrote:
I think that box had jfs, but other filesystems are no different: for
example, ext* will fsync() during a rename() call behind your back even if
you don't request it, forcing every file to hit the disk platters even
though they'll immediately get changed again. For files
On Sat, 26 May 2012, Jon Bernard wrote:
I see that there is already a Debian account on GitHub
(https://github.com/debian), currently empty. Does it belong to a
Developer ?
Would it be availble to maintain the euca2ools package in ?
if there is no reply here it might be worth
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 02:25:20AM +0100, Miah Gregory wrote:
Hi folks,
Has anyone seen/heard from Patrick recently? He has a number of packages
which are somewhat out of date (lmms specifically interests me), which
would be good to get sorted prior to the freeze.
Here's an upload on 16
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Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 23:12:21 +0400
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Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 01:08:18 +0200
Source: wine-gecko-1.4
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Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 11:20:34 +
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Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 23:33:22 +0200
Source: libapache2-mod-auth-tkt
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Urgency: low
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Urgency: low
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Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 23:31:51 +0200
Source: owncloud
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Version: 4.0.0debian-1
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Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 15:20:50 -0700
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Urgency: low
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Source: txzookeeper
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Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 11:56:50 +0200
Source: libcache-memcached-managed-perl
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Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 11:35:44 +0200
Source: libwebservice-solr-perl
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Urgency: low
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Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 13:58:07 +0200
Source: sfst
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Version: 1.2.0-1.2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
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Urgency: low
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Source: glw
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Version: 8.0.0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force debia...@lists.debian.org
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