. (and put
/dev/null in stdin and something else to avoi things reading from it)
This way only buggy daemons would cause problems. (and beside fd_stop,
just give them 3/dev/null to work around)
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by calling ld.so directly, nosuid by perl-suid and so on, and there might
always be some other program sleeping somewhere waiting for its chance)
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would be either the same in frozen and
progressive or they would be same in progressive and unstable.
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wrote, nothing can be changed before.
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for the user to
change.
It's disadvantage would be the enourmous amount of time to recompile all
user-settings when the main-menu-database changes.
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:-)
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use the same /usr/share with different rules what to install, so that no
data is doubled but one system can remove a package and exacly that is
removed in /usr/share what was there becaus only this package needed it).
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comes from.
It is this way. AX ist the low part of EAX (Since eax and ax shall
make the same for values less then 2^16.) And there is no direct way to
address to higher 16 Bits. But as a shr eax,16 need only one cycle it is
not that serious.
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do not make it binary. There may be many things to
speed up, but binary is evil in this situation. (Imagine a broken database
and you can do just nothing against it.)
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think the current standard is quite reasonable.
Perhaps a non-world-readability would please very bloody beginers,
but is would give the not so bloody beginers a false fealing of
security.
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of kdenetwork are still licenced qpl. It may just need to recopy these
parts from an gpl'ed qt, but I do not know KDE or qt well enough.
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together and produce an new diff and remove the local cvs-repro.
This is much quicker done than to check the new patch if it collides with
the other patches and change the other patches so that it does not
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which most of the small and nice Window-Managers implement cleanly. (At
least in potato)
Why not us this info?
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(I already thought of changing wdm to use this, when I'm done with the
strange radius/nis-combination I
but for anybody except the
author, if there is a single one. (At least if it is GPL or any other similar
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to miss some things, most important in my eyes a possibility to
switch window managers. (I doubt it is usable for anything than KDE or
Gnome)
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things sperate will also help
our users. (Imaging a rule /etc if for configuration except /etc/run,
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configuration later easily). There is a reason, why we have /home
instead of /usr/home[s].
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fakeroot
apt-get -u upgrade apt-get install fakeroot and perhaps some
additional dpkg --configure -a if one missed something in between to
upgrade to a new glibc.
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Why that? I thought we use 3a and not 3b for distribution thus avoiding
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a system that works and can do what we need
(with the exception of generating KDE-menus, though I do not see
the fault in our system here), we should adopt another metadata
not even able to describe the things we already have and are used?
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* Enrico Zini [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030417 03:30]:
On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 05:10:58PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
We have at least three parallel menu systems around: the Debian Menu,
the Gnome Foot Menu and the KDE menu.
We have one menu system: the Debian menu.
And we have several
and
this version was uploaded. And the mail generated when putting a
(closed:# ...) after a changelog entry describes this with nice
words and with much less chance to make additional errors.
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A working menu is a good way to go. The currest system works and has
many nice aspects of configurability and administrability, missing in
the newer parts. Only thing I see missing are KDE packages obeying
menu policy.
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be supported of
course). It's task is to allow the menu-package to include some menus
by default in the starting phase, and to make it easier for the
administrator to localy change an item. (Without the fear to have
phantom entries after the package is removed).
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and
in general be a nightmare to administrators.
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a system before showing you don't
understand the issues at all.
Was this a memo for yourself or are you just trying to insult?
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part.
It is related. Heck, this specification even gives in the example the
Icon as .png-file. While using .xpm-only for menus is really
long-lasting standard, with no reason to stop this...
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[1] This might be partly resonable for KDE-menus, for a menu
standard this just says: It is not bloated as we
it.
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the behaviour clearly enough.))
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to try hard to get it worse).
262 distinct users here with 13 installations.
and in the near environment a pool with about 30-40 installations
and over 800 users. (And some smaller with about 20 installations
and 40 to 50 users)
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circumstances he is able to get something done,
if I want to get an indicator for usefulnes. And not showing screen-
shots to windows-users and looking if they sheer.)
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as something without graphics is even harder.
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Discussing via emails seems to get hard again...
* Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030725 16:37]:
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Both a system presenting a utter mess of uneeded things and technical
terms and a system only saying Installation successful or
Installation failed are two ends of user
get
my sister using Knopix, as it's autoprobing for SCSI-hardware
froze the computer and the expert-mode was barely understandable
by me.
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a dependency.
What if the MTA is on a different host? Can't mutt speak SMTP?
If mutt spoke SMTP, it would be a MTA itself. (Perhaps still missing
the proper interface to link /usr/lib/sendmail to mutt, but that would
be the lesser part).
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* Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030806 13:43]:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:10:03 +0200
Bernhard R. Link [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If mutt spoke SMTP, it would be a MTA itself. (Perhaps still missing
the proper interface to link /usr/lib/sendmail to mutt, but that would
be the lesser part
* Emile van Bergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030806 17:04]:
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* Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030806 13:43]:
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Bernhard R. Link [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If mutt spoke SMTP, it would be a MTA
the dns-server to
use is not a admin thing.
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on...
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[1] for example the key to make it finaly do something
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[1] As this specific info page is not yet in a package, though I do not
doubt there will be some that have the same problem.
[2] Consider
]
partimage: partimage.1.gz
partimage-server: partimaged.8.gz partimagedusers.5.gz
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think not having the term linux in it more of
an issue than having -debian in it...
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Well, this proposal sounds like People who do not want to get hit by
falling statlites should wear a fish on their head. I'm against this
proposal, even though I would not even wear a fish on my head, if it
became a law.
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commands
which override disabled services and so on.
I think init.d scripts should start, when they are called with start,
and not refuse to do so.
That's the whole policy/invoce-rc.d about, that the test is done before...
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between all those words.
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generated, you have no chance at all to be sure they are not
modified.
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catches intruders, hwo are to stupid to cope with system
installed. (Which is the same as with installed .md5sums files)
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to see the broken memory chip
one just replaced with a working one has not caused any bit-changes
in the installed files. If the checksums were created at the same
system, one has to get them from somewhere else, so there is little
sense in having them generated at all.
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I don't think so. md5-calculation it not the fastest thing (especially
on non-i386 it often feels like downloading and installing together
needs less time than the md5sum-verification.
So
the .md5sums and copying
is much less hassle, then sending all the files at whole over the
network.
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the last some packages to follow.
And your only reason beeing a ridiculous small amount of
disc space and bandwidth)
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./count.sh {} \; |
./avarage.awk
5333.54
Where count.sh is gzip $1 | wc -c and having the md5sums file packaged
in a larger .tar.gz might even cause less space.
(All numbers from my woody system, where 989 out of 1158 packages have
md5sums files).
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with such
arguments, that I have an hard time to suppress my wish to use the
same and requesting the removal of all .desktop files. (I do not need
them, they are a waste of space and bandwidth and anyone using them is
stupid.))
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other programs might cause problems when first hit by them) my
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What is the scope of the bug fixing required to bring the
programs in line with long established policy?
Noone knows. That's the problem.
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there is a documented normal other way to do it.
Shall two errors force the general acceptance of it?
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* Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060424 17:39]:
Package gnus, version x.y-z.dfsg.
That way its clearly marked that gnus is modified to be dfsg free,
and you dont change any source/package name. A lot of other packages
in contrast choose to add or modify things in the .orig.tar.gz,
you are in this (perhaps a bit personally coloured) view no longer
making changes within Debian, but are creating a new fork on the
upstream side and are packaging your own fork.
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on a policy? Can't Manoj just package gnus-dfsg and
be done with it? Is that really such a big problem?
I guess it would be less of an issue, if he did not insist of what
almost everyone else has agreed on and I never saw disputed is
unethical.
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there, be it before or after the
first dot will make people believe that)
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some absurd ftp server or something might compare it with /bin/false,
but then of course the second defense line of an disabled password hash
is still there.
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be implemented in different ways.
Yes. The standardized interface is smtp.
The standard *NIX way to send mail is the sendmail symlink, the standard
for computers to exchange their mails is SMTP. Thats a difference.
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a mere old HUB with several
dozen clients or a little 5 port switch had no problems at all.
(In that case using 100MBit cards helped, and I'd be suprised if the
the GB ports had exactly the same problem, but perhaps they get confused
some similar problem).
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or even shorten (if its type can be detected automatically correctly and
one has no other information:)
see this.xls
(All available in the mime-support packages and already used for this
purpose by a variety of packages.)
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| usr/lib/v9/libssl.so.0.9.7
| usr/share/doc/libssl0.9.7/changelog.Debian.gz
| usr/share/doc/libssl0.9.7/changelog.gz
| usr/share/doc/libssl0.9.7/copyright
In other words: Problem solved since sarge.
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| libresolv.so.2 = /lib/libresolv.so.2 (0x7002c000)
| libcrypto.so.0.9.7 = /usr/lib/v9/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 (0x7005)
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And I cannot remember having anything changed.
(Also the libcrypto 0.9.6 in your ldd output looks more like woody
than like sarge)
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absurd
short time making it inplausible the build was actually checked.
Something like a quarter of an hour, I'd suggest.
On a second thought, perhaps better half an hour and also checking the
.diff.gz was downloaded...
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the procedures should be choosen to not discourage testing.
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, but the test before if the file is
already there (as make install does not want to overwrite a config file)
was forgotten.
This leads to a corrupt package when build on a system where the package
is already installed, i.e. is hidden away in any clean chroot.
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* martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060801 18:17]:
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Missing $(DESTDIR)s in Makefiles are an example. Especially when the
install part was DESTDIRified, but the test before if the file is
already there (as make install
would be
larger then 0.09 but smaller than 0.19, or one would have to
add the zero everywhere causing versions to look different from
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there) parse a file which is of no interest for him but
for the other daemons?
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pitfalls, I think
many people will be happy, though I would not bet on anyone finding
one).
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begun to bloat - so many
unneeded, unused, unmaintained(!) packages.
I think it may help more to think of ways to get rid of packages than
making adding more difficult.
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?
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likely not link directly against it as the normal
script does it.
But I'm again guessing and do not know if there is a real chance for
this or if the maintainer did simply not realize it. And perhaps there
is some other reason for directly linking...
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in my eyes
only the disadvantage of addings unneeded complexity.
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or whatever) that were protected by
copyright law and the standard would allow no modifications, then noone
would be allowed to copy the editor. (No special problem with debian)
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. These program would
certainly include unicode editors, and would probably include python,
perl and ruby.
These no doubt are all wrong in my eyes.
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this to not create masses of processes and
confusing the user with colors?
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an alternative libcurl, duplicating the source code,
making it harder for everyone involved. So it is more than just
a avarage wishlist-bug where the maintainer's opinion is the last
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might be funny, I'd not like to see it on mine. While Suse's and Redhat's
failure does admittedly not mean it will also happen to Debian, it
still gives a hint about the likelyhood of success.
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in my eyes.
Thus I want to ask all involved parties to not ship .desktop files,
at least unless your window manager copes with .desktop files anyway.
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Using getpwuid to get the home-directory is compareable to hard-coding
/root. (Hardcoding /root is even a bit cleaner, as it might not lure
people into using it when not working around bugs in sudo).
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. (As is assembler
files currently, or as C source code would be if almost everyone switched
to some other language with a compiler generating C code as intermediate
format.)
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