Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 00:01 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 5/15/06, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 01:19:14AM +0200

Re: reportbug defaults [Re: Bug#367200: ITP: libemail-send-perl -- Simply Sending Email]

2006-05-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 00:24 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 08:44 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 16 May 2006, Ron Johnson wrote: On the home desktop reportbug uses Python's smtp

Re: debian and UDEV

2006-05-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 12:19:35AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You don't need to wait for a particular event to be finished processing; instead you should wait for the resource you actually need

Re: Creation of custom configured packages?

2006-05-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:09:37 +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How so? As an admin you can always comment out any conf.d file completely if you don't want what is in there. After which dpkg will come with the usual prompt at package

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 12:01:08AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why do you think there's no compatible solution? Because basicaly all sources assume binaries go to prefix/bin. You want to break

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 12:14:24AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Multiarch (so far) does not allow the same path/file in 2 packages (with the exception of /usr/share/doc/ files) Hmm. How do you want to handle one-arch-only binNMUs? binNMUs change

Re: debian and UDEV

2006-05-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 10:44:21AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Which is still stupid not to have in the kernel API as feedback from the event manager and have insmod optionaly block. For that to work you should make device discovery synchronous

Re: Why not making /sbin/sendmail a mantadory component for mail operation?

2006-05-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 17 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: which results in smtphost bugs.debian.org in the conffile. Maybe the default to the MTA question could be N instead. An open outgoing port 25 is commonly blocked by default anywhere you

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 10:34 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 00:01 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 5/15/06, Goswin von Brederlow

Re: Why not making /sbin/sendmail a mantadory component for mail operation?

2006-05-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow wrote: And how would that be any simpler than setting an smtp server for reportbug? Setting up a fully usable MTA is more difficult than having reportbug connect directly to bugs.d.o. I'm sorry, but that is just plain

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Darren Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I demand that Gabor Gombas may or may not have written... [snip] How do you want to handle one-arch-only binNMUs? binNMUs change changelog.Debian.gz, so - you can't upgrade just the architecture that was binNMUed without changelog.Debian.gz becoming

Re: Section of -dev packages

2006-05-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Kevin B. McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In case anyone is interested in filing mass bug reports (I am not sufficiently interested, sorry), here are the -dev packages in unexpected sections, obtained as follows: grep-aptavail -r -P '.*-dev$' -s Section,Package | paste -sd ' \n' | \

Re: Why not making /sbin/sendmail a mantadory component for mail operation?

2006-05-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 17 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: delivered internaly or not at all for my chroots but I still want to be able to report bugs with the right dependency informations. If you force the use of an MTA then I would have to save

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 10:08:38PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you considered employing the alternatives system (or something similar)? What I'm suggesting is that you'd basically get a /bin64

Re: debian and UDEV

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 10:24:28PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: What timeout? With feedback you would know exactly when it is done and wouldn't have to poll. Quoting Linus: : It really is very hard to accept the blocking behaviour. : : Some

Re: debian and UDEV

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Toni Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, On Tue, 16.05.2006 at 04:05:41 +, Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ udev being, umm, not very nice ] Need I say more? yes: Please say *why* newer 2.6.x kernels actually do depend on udev instead of hotplug. Thank you! Udev

Re: Section of -dev packages

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Playing devil's advocate for a moment: While we are at it why not remove sections alltogether? We have the debtags system that by far superseeds the sections and since the pool structure is used sections have been quite useless. MfG Goswin -- To

Re: debian and UDEV

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 04:16:33PM +0200, Gabor Gombas wrote: On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 10:24:28PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Just like the kernel always did prior to udev. You're missing a very important thing. This is _NOT_ a udev vs. pre

Re: debian and UDEV

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And that is what I consider broken. I know it is not going to change but I pain for all the users (and myself) that will (and already have been) get hit by problems caused by it. Then why not start working on a solution? There are several distros

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 04:52:58PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 10:08:38PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you considered

Re: Section of -dev packages

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Christoph Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Re: Kevin B. McCarty 2006-05-17 [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case anyone is interested in filing mass bug reports (I am not sufficiently interested, sorry), here are the -dev packages in unexpected sections, obtained as follows: Isn't that more a matter of

Re: cleaning up lib*-dev packages?

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then I had the idea that I could just as well convert Sources files to create pseudo packages for sources that depend on all the Build-Depends. So I create a dummy deb without contents and converted

Re: debian and UDEV

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 07:16:00PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: That is because udev is slower so the window of the race condition gets increased many many times. Without udev you don't have to wait for the mknod call to complete. I think you

Re: debian and UDEV

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 07:22:47PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: E.g. how do you convert startx into an udev rule so it can load the mouse modules savely? By the time the user types his/her password and starts startx the mouse will be surely

Re: Section of -dev packages

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Kevin B. McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could the archive infrastructure be updated to synch the override file with what's in the .debs automatically? regards, Better to just remove the sections from override altogether. Just keep what the package says. MfG Goswin -- To

Re: debian and UDEV

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2006 19:22 schrieb Goswin von Brederlow: Because the only _solution_ with current userspace is to kill the kernels hotplug design and go back to synchronous handling. Another solution might be to dynamically attach to udev

Re: cleaning up lib*-dev packages?

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Darren Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I demand that Matthias Julius may or may not have written... [snip] I think a more elegant solution would be if aptitude had a command to install build-depends. AOL. It could attach a new flag to a package that causes aptitude to treat build-depends

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Margarita Manterola [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: During some tests I've performed, I've found that making the init scripts run with dash as default shell instead of bash makes the boot time a 10% faster (6 seconds in a 60 second boot). To make this speed up available to everyone, we have 2 main

Re: debian and UDEV

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2006 21:53 schrieb Goswin von Brederlow: Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2006 19:22 schrieb Goswin von Brederlow: Because the only _solution_ with current userspace is to kill the kernels

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Michal Politowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 18 May 2006 22:38:08 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: [...] 3. Make sh an alternative dash already optionally diverts it. Isn't it good enough? When I upload my fash (fast shell) package that would want to divert sh too and then could

Re: cleaning up lib*-dev packages?

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Darren Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I demand that Goswin von Brederlow may or may not have written... Darren Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I demand that Matthias Julius may or may not have written... [snip] I think a more elegant solution would be if aptitude had a command to install

Re: The necessity of running depmod at boot time

2006-05-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Jeroen van Wolffelaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think one of the issues here is that it depends on what kernel you currently use, and iirc there can be a situation where one does not want to run depmod at installation time, or when that might give wrong results. That used to be the case

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 19 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Alternatives are more suited for cases where one binary is provided by multiple packages. Currently we have bash, dash, sash, posh. Anything else? Are you prepared to put your life

Re: Bug#367962: Please don't ship a /lib64 symlink in the package on amd64

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Currently the (/usr)/lib64 - /lib symlink is shipped in the libc6 package. Goswin von Brederlow asked for this link to be created in the postinst instead, so that packages could install files in both (/usr)/lib and (/usr)/lib64 directories. I have

Re: Bug#367962: Please don't ship a /lib64 symlink in the package on amd64

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Jochens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Aurelien, On 06-May-19 04:15, Aurelien Jarno wrote: [Ccing: amd64 and dpkg developers as they are concerned by this subject] Currently the (/usr)/lib64 - /lib symlink is shipped in the libc6 package. Goswin von Brederlow asked for this link

Re: Section of -dev packages

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bernhard R. Link [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060518 21:20]: Better to just remove the sections from override altogether. Just keep what the package says. Doesn't the current setup also ensure no package from non-free or contrib accidentially end up

Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 03:25:28PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Fixing this wasn't very hard, but it made me consider why we let a maintainer decide what the alternative priority of an editor would be. Mm -- I always wondered why

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 05:45:46AM +0200, David Weinehall wrote: Well, most of those scripts can be fixed quite easily, some require a bit more work. I hereby promise to help fixing them to the extent of my capability. Let's see. The nbd-client and

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 03:17:20AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Alternatives are more suited for cases where one binary is provided by multiple packages. Currently we have bash, dash, sash, posh. Anything else? Alternatives break on a daily

Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hi, Debian policy says: | 8.2 Run-time support programs | | If your package has some run-time support programs which use the | shared library you must not put them in the shared library | package. If you do that then you won't be able to install several | versions of the shared library without

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Hi, Debian policy says: | 8.2 Run-time support programs | | If your package has some run-time support programs which use the | shared library you must not put them in the shared library | package. If you do that then you

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Christoph Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Re: Goswin von Brederlow 2006-05-19 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The line below looks for all packages with a *.so.* file in (/usr)/lib and a file in (/usr)/bin. The assumption is that anything with a *.so.* file in the system library dirs is a library package

Re: cleaning up lib*-dev packages?

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think a more elegant solution would be if aptitude had a command to install build-depends. It could attach a new flag to a package that causes aptitude

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Hi, Debian policy says: | 8.2 Run-time support programs | | If your package has some run-time support programs which use the | shared library you must

Re: Bug#367962: Please don't ship a /lib64 symlink in the package on amd64

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Junichi Uekawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I'm not suggesting splitting the dirs. Just the way the link is setup. I'm suggesting creating it in the maintainer scripts instead of the data.tar.gz so packages that do ship files in (/usr)/lib64 don't make libc6 unupgradable. On

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Alex Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The following is based on premises that portability is good and that POSIX is a standard. A proposal. Over the last couple months we've built about gazillion Ubuntu/Dapper packages. The process is heavily automated ([1], [2], [3]). And so, to lookup the

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Al Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If the library is only used for binary packages from the same source [which always get updated together] then why not put it in /usr/lib/package/ and make it not public? This could be done for the qprof package. I'm not sure that qualifies as an RC bug,

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Simon Huggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 07:56:54PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't see why this could be a problem for multiarch. The library is only used by the binary which is the same package, so they are always

Multiarch preparations needed for etch dpkg

2006-05-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Matt Taggart and others [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi debian-dpkg, Several people have been working on a project we've been calling multiarch, to seamlessly support running applications for multiple different binary targets on the same system. The main example being running i386-linux-gnu

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Debian policy says: | 8.2 Run-time support programs | | If your package has some run-time support programs which use the | shared library you must not put them in the shared library

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 5/21/06, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For multiarch this will be an inconvenience though as people might want to install both 32bit and 64bit of a -dev package. For such small scripts spliting them into extra packages seems

Re: Section of -dev packages

2006-05-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Enrico Zini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 05:06:13PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: While we are at it why not remove sections alltogether? We have the debtags system that by far superseeds the sections and since the pool structure is used sections have been quite

Re: Multiarch preparations needed for etch dpkg

2006-05-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 10:27:35PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: - Allow arch specific depends I propose to use Depends: pkg:arch (= 1.2-3) as syntax for thses. While for etch no package should use them dpkg should accept them so installing

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 19 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow outgrape: setools is in the list, and contains libraries that it uses itself, but does not break it up into multiple installed packages. Setools is moving rapidly rnough that I do not intend

Re: Multiarch preparations needed for etch dpkg

2006-05-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 10:27:35PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: - Allow arch specific depends I propose to use Depends: pkg:arch (= 1.2-3) as syntax for thses. While for etch no package should

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 22 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow outgrape: I think that Policy 8.2 is fully applicable to your package then. It is a MUST directive so your unwillingness to allow multiple versions of your library to coexist does not affect the violation

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 22 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow stated: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 22 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow outgrape: I think that Policy 8.2 is fully applicable to your package then. It is a MUST directive so your unwillingness

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ganesan Rajagopal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not sure the sections need clarification, inasmuch as they do not really apply to setools. I might clarify that 8.2 is meant for packages that provide shared libraries for general use by

Re: not running depmod at boot time

2006-05-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Le mardi 23 mai 2006 à 20:52 +0200, Marco d'Itri a écrit : So, does anybody mind if I remove depmod from the module-init-tools init script? Please go ahead. Anything relying on it is buggy anyway. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette/\./\

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thomas Girard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Selon Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Debian policy says: | 8.2 Run-time support programs | | If your package has some run-time support programs which use the | shared library you must not put them in the shared library | package. If you do

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would say, off hand, that section 8.2 is for people who want to provide a shared library for other packages, with a stable ABI, and a development package to facilitate linking to their library. There are certain hoops we must jump in

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, passports are not really an answer (I have no idea what the passport of cameroon looke like, for example). Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require at least two photo ID's issued by the government).

Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Travis Crump [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who actually has two forms of government issued picture ID[not counting a passport which I never take anywhere unless I really need to since it is really bad to lose it and doesn't fit in a wallet, not to mention my passport photo isn't a very good

Re: not running depmod at boot time

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 5/25/06, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Le mardi 23 mai 2006 à 20:52 +0200, Marco d'Itri a écrit : So, does anybody mind if I remove depmod from the module-init-tools init script

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 25 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow uttered the following: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would say, off hand, that section 8.2 is for people who want to provide a shared library for other packages, with a stable ABI

Re: Multiarch preparations needed for etch dpkg

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:07:00AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Only the dpkg:arch is required and that can be done with Provides: dpkg-arch again. Right. I wonder if even this should strictly be necessary, though, or if dpkg shouldn't be able

Re: not running depmod at boot time

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: On May 26, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Im asking to have _one_ delay at a defined point instead of X packages having a delay because they might have to run depmod manualy. This is not a choice, every package which installs

Re: proposal for a more efficient download process

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Tyler MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.daemonology.net/bsdiff/ How does that compare with rsync batch files? MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: proposal for a more efficient download process

2006-05-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Tyler MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: +1. We've been using bsdiff (http://www.daemonology.net/bsdiff/) at work for some internal stuff and it's great. Oh, and one more thing: | bsdiff is quite memory-hungry. It requires max(17*n,9*n+m)+O(1) | bytes of memory, where n is the size of

Re: proposal for a more efficient download process

2006-05-27 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Tyler MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is quite unacceptable. We have debs in debian up to 160Mb (packed) and 580Mb unpacked. That would require 2.7 Gb and nearly 10Gb ram respectively. Seems to be quite useless for patching full debs

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-27 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 05:28:35PM +0200, Filippo Giunchedi wrote: Is there a list of official documents (with photos) that we can consider acceptable for a KSP?. If there's not we definitely need one. However this is rather tricky because the list

Re: openssl will block bacula into etch?

2006-05-27 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 5/27/06, John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Looking on packages.qa.debian.org, I'm seeing some confusing information and am hoping someone can help me figure out what's going on. The bacula page lists a depends on openssl, which is

Re: openssl will block bacula into etch?

2006-05-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 02:55:39AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: regards, -- stratus Any source that builds udebs is always frozen (openssl builds libcrypto0.9.8-udeb). Udebs have to be moved into testing manualy and without the freeze

Re: proposal for a more efficient download process

2006-05-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
curt manucredo (hansycm) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope. You will need to keep all normal debs anyway, for new installations. i thought it could be possible in the end to download the tree-package and all its patches to then have the latest

Re: Multiarch preparations needed for etch dpkg

2006-05-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 01:07:01AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:07:00AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Only the dpkg:arch is required and that can be done with Provides

Re: Debian GNU/MINIX

2006-05-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 25 May 2006, El Presidente wrote: I have seen on the internet that someone wanted to port debian to minix3, but the report was old. Is there anyone that wants to port? I find it usefull. I don't have the ability to do it, but if it works I

Re: HOWTO rebuild the archive

2006-05-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bastian Venthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, I want to rebuild the whole archive on my box but I don't really know where to start. I don't want to keep the resulting packages, I just want to seek FTBFSes. I've installed sbuild (do I really need it? Does pbuilder/cowbuilder suffice?)

Re: Uploading packages built against testing?

2006-05-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am Montag, 29. Mai 2006 10:27 schrieb Frank Küster: Would it be acceptable to build bacula (or any other package with that problem) in an etch environment, or on sid with manually installed libssl from etch, and upload that to unstable?  After

Re: Renaming a package

2006-05-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: also sprach Thomas Viehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.29.2122 +0200]: I think the usual way is to provide the dummy binary package immediately from the new source package and file a bug for removal of the old source package. Sounds like a clean

Re: HOWTO rebuild the archive

2006-05-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 09:47:53PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Or just dump all packages into the buildds queue file (as That would be ~buildd/build/REDO package_version, one per line) and start it. That would be package_version

Re: Uploading packages built against testing?

2006-05-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thomas Viehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hendrik Sattler wrote: Am Montag, 29. Mai 2006 21:16 schrieb Thomas Viehmann: Hendrik Sattler wrote: No, but you could manually set all stuff in Depends to the needed versions. That would also work for the buildds, I guess. And break at the next

Re: Renaming a package

2006-05-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Simon Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Andreas Fester schrieb: I create a new package with the new name which will get uploaded to the NEW queue. This package replaces the old package and conflicts with the old package: Replaces: oldPackage Conflicts: oldPackage (

Re: bits from the release team: release goals, python, X.org, amd64, timeline

2006-06-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ingo Juergensmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, someone could use the database on Buildd.Net to generate such a graph. I assume that the total number reflects the number of source packages. Combined with the number of changes in Needs-Build it might be possible to get the wanted data out of

Re: Package Selection for Debian Live

2006-06-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies please to -devel ] Hi all, at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, * and three larger ones, each of which contains one

Re: Renaming a package

2006-06-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Daniel Kobras [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 09:19:42AM +0200, Andreas Fester wrote: Absolutely. Its also the method I would prefer because it adds minimal overhead providing the most seamless upgrade. I implemented it for my package, and the first test succeeded very well

Re: Renaming a package

2006-06-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Fester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Daniel Kobras [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Unpacking replacement lincvs ... Selecting previously deselected package crossvc. Unpacking crossvc (from .../crossvc_1.5.0-1_i386.deb) ... (Noting disappearance of lincvs

Re: NMU procedure and /usr/bin/nmudiff defaults

2006-06-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adeodato =?utf-8?B?U2ltw7M=?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, for those who don't know, nmudiff is a small script by Steinar H. Gunderson that, when invoked in the source tree of a NMU, will create a diff with respect the previous version, and send it to the BTS. I've found it quite

Re: Testing security archive move

2006-06-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Errr... apt-get says: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/Release Unable to find expected entry main/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) And, indeed,

Re: severities of blocking bugs

2006-06-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 07 Jun 2006, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: I have always thought that when bug X is blocking bug Y, the severity of bug X should be at least as big as the severity of bug Y. I have

Re: Conflict field for logical conflicts?

2006-06-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Jörg Sommer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, should I set in package jed a conflict on a package jed-extra if jed-extra enhances jed, but jed has changed its API and now jed-extra is useless, i.e. it must be updated. jed-extra and jed can be installed at the same time without harm, but

Re: How to properly move a file from a .deb to another one ?

2006-06-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Xavier Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi folks, This is probably a louzy and obvious question, but I'm trying to fix a package error (files moved from a .deb to another one). When upgrading two packages (A and B) to the new version, dpkg is having some troubles, because some files from

Re: How to properly move a file from a .deb to another one ?

2006-06-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Xavier Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : If you see a removal attempt that fails and aborts the upgrading then it shouldn't be dpkgs doing. Could it be that one of the maintainer scripts attempts to clean up and calls rmdir? dpkg: warning - unable to delete old

Re: How to properly move a file from a .deb to another one ?

2006-06-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Xavier Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: swin von Brederlow a écrit : *BUT* note that /usr/share/doc/httrack/html is actually a simlink to ../../httrack/html (the reason is BUG 362836, which pointed that You mean ../../../httrack/html, right? No, this is ../../html (jumping two levels

Re: outdated changelog timestamps

2006-06-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adeodato =?utf-8?B?U2ltw7M=?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Goswin von Brederlow [Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:49:50 +0200]: David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 10:04:48PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: Sometimes, the changelog will tell you the package was last changed 3

Re: Conflict field for logical conflicts?

2006-06-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 07:39:55PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: What you want is: jed: Provides: jed-abi-23 jed-extra: Depends: jed-abi-23 You should add such a provides in jed now and update the jed-extra package asap. The next time

Re: Renaming a package

2006-06-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Daniel Kobras [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 02:15:06PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: Daniel Kobras writes (Re: Renaming a package): but the alternative patch to dpkg is quite simple (see below). Alas, it changes current behaviour. I don't think it this patch is correct

Re: /usr/share and -common pkgs

2006-06-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Justin Pryzby [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -common packages are used to reduce the size of the archive; arch independant data need not be included in each of the 10+ arch-specific binary packages; only one package is needed. As expected, most of the contents of the -common packages are in

Re: A clean way to introduce delay between scripts in /etc/init.d?

2006-06-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
LEE, Yui-wah (Clement) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, What is a clean way to introduce a delay between the scripts in /etc/init.d ? I saw a problem that /etc/rc2.d/S27bind9 started before /etc/rc2.d/S25ifplugd actually completed all the tasks ... Specifically, ifplugd, with the help of

Re: Cleaning /var/lib/dpkg/available

2006-06-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wednesday 14 June 2006 14:34, Jérôme Warnier wrote: Hi, I've been upgrading my machines since Woody to Sarge, then to Etch. Now, my /var/lib/dpkg/available are huge (15MB), and it seems they never get cleaned. How am I supposed to clean them?

Re: Mass bug filing: lesstif1-lesstif2 transition

2006-06-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 10:39:29AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Kai Hendry] Affected packages are: [...] Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] plan How did you conclude that it depend on lesstif1? Its build depend is

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