ANNOUNCE: Debian Snapshot Project webpage

1998-12-16 Thread Jim Pick
archive, but that will be rectified shortly. Participants Jim Pick [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web page - Packages: orbit, gnome-libs, gnome-core, gnome-guile, gnome-objc, gnome-utils, gnome-media Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be added to this list

Gnome .debs released

1998-06-18 Thread Jim Pick
Hi, I've uploaded the Gnome 0.20 Debian packages to incoming on master.debian.org (also available at http://www.jimpick.com/ ) I had some problems with the gnome-admin package, so I didn't finish it. I will be travelling for 4 days, and I will figure it out when I am back. I also did not

Re: New gnome packages

1998-06-22 Thread Jim Pick
Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am I correct that we currently do not have a complete desktop with gnome? Since there is no wm yet, it's pretty difficult to judge it. This is a Gnome FAQ item. Gnome is not meant to have a single window manager. In it's final form, it will work with

Re: gnome again

1998-06-22 Thread Jim Pick
Meskes, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay, I tried starting icewm and then some gnome applets resp. some of the desktop tools. But they all seg fault. And I get a message that imlib is lacking the file in /usr/etc. Do I have to set an environment variable? I think we should add a

Re: gnome again

1998-06-22 Thread Jim Pick
Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jim Pick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I should probably add that to the README - and maybe a note to try running panel to get to all the other applications. Anything else I should put into the README? I don't know about the README, but I just

Re: Imlib NMU

1998-10-05 Thread Jim Pick
somebody gets around to releasing a libjpeg62 package, we should stick with libjpeg6a. Oooh. Interesting snag. So. We need to make a joint decision. I talked to Jim Pick last night about putting 6b in slink, and get it in before the freeze. However this makes me edgy. Jim, Chris? Your

Re: [TECH-CONTACTS] Debian

1998-10-07 Thread Jim Pick
Andrew Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 11:49:26PM +0800, Stephen Darragh wrote: Is there any way to get Debian to rebuild or repair a corrupted package information database (e.g. on beldin)? Not that I know of unfortunately. I'll ask on debian-devel as this is

Re: Upcoming 2.1 Release Architectures

1998-10-14 Thread Jim Pick
Brian White [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could I get some official word on which architectures wish to be included in the 2.1 release of Debian? Thanks! ARM is nowhere near being release ready (we just started). Cheers, - Jim

Re: Removing Packages in Slink for Debian 2.1

1998-10-15 Thread Jim Pick
Brian White [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay, everybody... It's that time again. I've gone through the bug logs and made my list of packages to keep/remove should they still have release-critical (i.e. critical, grave, or important) bugs at ship time. What do you think we should do with the

Re: Gnome 0.30 fix?

1998-10-15 Thread Jim Pick
Chris McKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Quick One... I know that the gnome 0.30 deb files are alittle messed up, but I don't remeber every seeing a fix to the segv problems. Was it a gtk/gdk problem with 1.0.x vs 1.1.x? I am trying to get eeyes to work and not having much

Re: Removing Gnome [was: Removing Packages in Slink for Debian 2.1]

1998-10-18 Thread Jim Pick
Havoc Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Craig Sanders wrote: maybe a compromise would be to leave the packages in slink, make sure the Description: field highlights their alpha status, and automatically close all non-packaging bugs (and forward them upstream if

Re: Emacs addon packages--compile upon install?

1998-10-18 Thread Jim Pick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben Pfaff) writes: This morning I uploaded a version of w3-el that doesn't compile upon installation--instead, there are separate precompiled packages for Emacs 19 and Emacs 20, plus a shared documentation package. I see this as a better way to go than forcing the

Re: libpng gnome slink

1999-01-19 Thread Jim Pick
Havoc Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Stephen Crowley wrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 09:14:14AM -0500, Brian Almeida wrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 03:03:26PM +0100, Sven LUTHER wrote: and how the unfortunate of us who already have upgraded to 1.0.2 can

Intent to package cygnus-stylesheets

1999-01-19 Thread Jim Pick
Hi, Soon, I'm going to upload a cygnus-stylesheets package. It's basically the same thing as the docbook-stylesheets package, but it has some modifications and additional hacks that Mark Galassi has added. This package is based on the same source as what the Red Hat people are using. The

Re: Intent to package cygnus-stylesheets

1999-01-19 Thread Jim Pick
Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Soon, I'm going to upload a cygnus-stylesheets package. It's basically the same thing as the docbook-stylesheets package, but it has some modifications and additional hacks that Mark Galassi has added. This

Re: Intent to package cygnus-stylesheets

1999-01-19 Thread Jim Pick
Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Essentially, Cygnus has forked the code. Huh. That might be a bit strong - I haven't really looked into the differences in depth. They are being maintained separately, and they are tracking Norm Walsh's stuff. I understand that Gnome needs db2*

Re: Intent to package cygnus-stylesheets

1999-01-19 Thread Jim Pick
Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I understand that Gnome needs db2* scripts... why do they need the Cygnus stylesheets? They use them internally at Cygnus for their documentation. They are

Re: Intent to package cygnus-stylesheets

1999-01-19 Thread Jim Pick
Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Essentially, Cygnus has forked the code. Huh. That might be a bit strong - I haven't really looked into the differences in depth. They are being maintained

Re: Developers in Cali...

1999-01-21 Thread Jim Pick
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote: OK, in the past week or so I've seen several people posting from California. Has anyone thought of having a gathering in some semi-central location? Get to know faces, sign keys, etc? I would be interested. If

Re: Unsatisfied depends in slink main

1999-01-22 Thread Jim Pick
Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: giflib3g-dev gdk-imlib-dev giflib3g-dev imlib-dev giflib3g-dev libfnlib-dev The full dependencies for these is more like: libungif3g-dev | giflib3g-dev Basically,

Re: Help setting up Linux

1999-01-22 Thread Jim Pick
Greg Hedger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just installed Debian Linux - just the kernal and the core system, no XWindows, no frills. So where can someone new to Linux (indeed Unix) find answers to very basic questions like how do I mount a floppy drive, can I read a FAT32 partition, and why

Re: boot disk question/suggestion

1999-01-25 Thread Jim Pick
Ossama Othman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can the 2.1/2.2 kernels handle a gigabyte of memory? Yes. For more than 1GB, go to: http://humbolt.geo.uu.nl/Linux-MM/more_than_1GB.html There was a lot of discussion about this on the linux-kernel mailing list lately. Also, I remember reading

Re: Proposal: increasing mirror security

1999-01-25 Thread Jim Pick
Lalo Martins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OTOH, we could just sign all packages with a same key (the Debian key); when dinstall verifies the signature and md5sum in the .changes file, it signs the package and updates Packages.pgp). I prefer this method. Then we have less key distribution

Re: New logo strategy

1999-01-26 Thread Jim Pick
Why don't we officially not have an official logo? If 5 years from now, everybody likes a certain unofficial logo (ie. Debian equivalent of the BSD daemon), we could go with that. Cheers, - Jim

Re: libtool rpath

1999-01-30 Thread Jim Pick
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A package I maintain uses libtool. To remove the rpath stuff, I apply this patch to configure.in. Actually, I sort of like the following technique better: Add the following to debian/rules right before calling $(MAKE) all (but after configure):

Re: [Fwd: [Jikes-License] Jikes Parser Generator now available i

1999-01-30 Thread Jim Pick
Brent Fulgham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Try Japhar/Classpath: www.japhar.org -- free JDK (compiler, runtime, debugger, etc.) www.classpath.org -- free implementation of the essential java libraries Plus... www.transvirtual.com -- Kaffe JIT www.mozilla.org -- ElectricalFire JIT Cheers,

Re: /usr/lib/libgnomeui.so.0: undefined symbol: argp_program_version

1999-01-30 Thread Jim Pick
Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: /usr/lib/libgnomeui.so.0: undefined symbol: argp_program_version This happens with some of the GNOME based packages I've installed from both slink and potatoe lately... Any ideas what I'm missing or what I did??? You probably have mixed some of

Re: Call for mascot! :-)

1999-01-30 Thread Jim Pick
Ben Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Bialasinski) writes: Hmm, with a strong enough improbability field, you will see dragons in the sky. Dragons and octopi in the sky are Somebody Else's Problem. Flying Octopi? Sounds like a Detroit Red Wings game...

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Jim Pick
Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, January 29 1999, Ionutz Borcoman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wro te: |Hi, | |Is the gnuclient/gnuserv broken in XEmacs ? Using the latest versions |from potato I am no more able to start a gnuclient :-( Is anybody else |experiencing this ? I've

Re: Proposal for new architecture support/distribution

1999-02-01 Thread Jim Pick
Phillip R. Jaenke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A bit of history first, as it is somewhat important. For those of you who don't know; Linux runs on PowerPC's. Yes. It does. Now, what big names do we know that have PowerPC based systems? Let's see. Apple. Amiga. UMax. IBM RS/6000 (RISC System

Re: Neat gtk/gdk-imlib pain

1999-02-01 Thread Jim Pick
Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is kinda neat, considering what we were talking about with libtool and all, examine this ldd output: Wakko{jgg}~/work/apt#ldd `which wmakerconf ` libgdk_imlib.so.1 = /usr/lib/libgdk_imlib.so.1 (0x4000f000) libgtk.so.1 =

Re: Neat gtk/gdk-imlib pain

1999-02-01 Thread Jim Pick
Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 1 Feb 1999, Jim Pick wrote: And note that it links to libglib twice. Turns out this is because there is two 'gdk-imlib1' packages with the same soname but linked against different versions of glib! By my count we have 72 different package

Re: Neat gtk/gdk-imlib pain

1999-02-01 Thread Jim Pick
Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 1 Feb 1999, Jim Pick wrote: I somehow sense that slink/potato gtk/gnome is going to be painfull.. I agree. I'm only planning to support Gnome 0.99.x/1.0 on potato. Oh, I was just reminded of this on the dpkg list.. The gtk (gdk? I

Re: What hack in ld.so?

1999-02-01 Thread Jim Pick
Ian Lance Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:52:48 -0700 (MST) From: Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's not what I'd like libtool to do. I agree there is a problem to be fixed, I just think that libtool is not the only piece of software

Re: Debian's -rpath policy [was: What hack in ld.so?]

1999-02-01 Thread Jim Pick
Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 12:19:48PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: In short, we have only three choices, regardless of what happens in libtool: 1) Implement Red Hat's ugly patch in our libc5 ld.so, and thereby be bugwards compatible

Re: Neat gtk/gdk-imlib pain

1999-02-01 Thread Jim Pick
Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 1 Feb 1999, Jim Pick wrote: libgdk-imlib1 in slink did not seem to depend on any glib, in potato it depends on a new and incompatible glib from potato BUT the soname was not changed. So the instant you install this new libgdk-imlib1 ~40

Re: List of bugs that *must* be fixed before releasing Slink

1999-02-01 Thread Jim Pick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dale E. Martin) writes: Oscar Levi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In my opinion, this problem is not sufficient to warrant an upload at this time since, contrary to the bug reporters claim, it does not prevent the packing from functioning. It is annoying, yes.

Re: Proposal for new architecture support/distribution

1999-02-01 Thread Jim Pick
Phillip R. Jaenke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kernel and hardware incompatibilities can lead to binary incompatibilities. Plus, IIRC, the current PowerPC distributions are all compiled for UP. As I said, most RS/6000's are SMP. You'd have a separate RS/6000 kernel which would be compiled

Re: Neat gtk/gdk-imlib pain

1999-02-01 Thread Jim Pick
Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If glib, gtk, gnome, imlib, etc used versioned symbols then yes you -might- advoid this. -HOWEVER- my understanding how how versioned symbols would need to be implemented would make this pretty much impossible for a large portion of the libraries

Re: Neat gtk/gdk-imlib pain

1999-02-02 Thread Jim Pick
There is apparantly an EGCS patch called libapi, available in the Debian egcs package, which is supposed to implement the above. Adopting and improving this patch would definitely solve your GNOME problems, Jim. Can you give us some pointers? This sounds like a good thing for the

Re: Neat gtk/gdk-imlib pain

1999-02-02 Thread Jim Pick
Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are currently 72 things that link against imlib. I suspect that about half were linked with the 'old' imlib and half with the 'new' imlib. That's to be expected. The current situation demands that all those apps should be rebuilt

Bug#4592: xemacs: can't resolve symbol 'xbitmap'

1996-09-25 Thread Jim Pick
xemacs worked until this morning, when I used dselect to upgrade some packages. Now, when I type xemacs, I get: fleming:~$ xemacs xemacs: can't resolve symbol 'xbitmap' xemacs: can't resolve symbol 'xbitmap' xemacs: can't resolve symbol 'xbitmap' xemacs: can't resolve symbol 'xbitmap' xemacs:

Re: Packages that still need a maintainer

1996-09-26 Thread Jim Pick
Hi I still have a few packages left that need a new maintainer. ... rxvt ircii tf mandelspawn xtron Andrew I guess it's time that I learned how to put together a Debian package - now that I've finally been able to subscribe to the debian-devel list. Sign me up for mandelspawn

Re: PGP?

1996-09-29 Thread Jim Pick
Didn't we use to have a PGP package? I noticed that it disappeared a few days ago too. What's up? Did I miss an announcement or something? - Jim -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: New Source Formats and Source Package Verification

1997-05-13 Thread Jim Pick
Please clarify - unpacking a Debian source package is different than unpacking an upstream source package (which may require tar, unzip, zoo, lha, jar, etc.). Right? Andy Mortimer wrote: Personally, I'd be inclined to disagree here, especially given [1.5] below. If I've gone to all the

Re: FreeQt ?

1997-05-13 Thread Jim Pick
Jim Pick wrote: Even if we wrote one, I doubt the KDE guys, especially Matthias Ettrich, would be willing to use it. Really an unfortunate situation, IMHO. :-( Noel Maddy wrote: Berate me for missing the obvious, but couldn't KDE just be compiled with a QT clone for Debian? What am

Re: FreeQt ?

1997-05-13 Thread Jim Pick
On Tue, 13 May 1997, Jim Pick wrote: If someone wants to contribute to an effort to clone a toolkit, they'd probably be much better off contributing to the WINE project (Windows emulator) or Jolt project (Java clone - kaffe, biss-awt, guavac, etc.). What do you think about Lesstiff

Re: New Source Formats and Source Package Verification

1997-05-13 Thread Jim Pick
How about where part of the upstream archive could go into the main distribution, but part needs to go into non-free or non-US, even for the sources? That's a case where you _must_ repack the original archive. MfG Kai No. I'd just say upload the upstream sources to the non-US

Re: Proposal: New source format (was Re: [Fwd: Re: dpkg question])

1997-05-13 Thread Jim Pick
Tom Lees wrote: This gets more complicated. To allow for cross-compiling or bootstrapping, some packages need to be compilable using the Source from another package, so eg:- SrcPackage: xmp Depends: awe-drv | src.awe I don't think it adds any complexity if upstream source packages,

Re: dpkg verify mode for security?

1997-05-13 Thread Jim Pick
Hi, I was asking over Linux-ISP about doing cleanup after breakins and got many use tripwire answers, and one which says that RPM has a verify mode which checks for files which were changed since they were installed. Can the dpkg maintainers consider adding such a feature for Debian?

Re: -- Debian Bug #10000

1997-05-21 Thread Jim Pick
In case you're interessed, I just got the acknowledgement of bug report #1 (which happen to be a documentation buglet in package qt-doc). *cracks open a virtual beer* _(; Out of those ~1 bug reports, about 2200 are still outstanding. Congratulations. BTW, if you believe the

Re: -- Debian Bug #10000

1997-05-21 Thread Jim Pick
This might be a mini-project for someone: I'd like to see a graph of the total number of bugs, number of open bugs plotted on a graph vs. the date. Perhaps superimposing the release dates on it too. It would be cool if we could somehow track the number of machines/users we had too. I checked

Re: -- Debian Bug #10000

1997-05-21 Thread Jim Pick
(looks like we beat Red Hat, go figure...) Much more CDs of RedHat have probably been sold than Debian CDs, and people installing from CDs may not have internet access and not register with the linux counter? Also that's only statistics... I just thought it was neat. Anyways, the Linux

Re: copyright question for abuse

1997-05-21 Thread Jim Pick
Crack dot Com has decided to release abuse as public domain software. So no more a.out abuse, once I get the new one built. But I do have a couple of questions about their copyright: This release is to the public domain, meaning there are very few restrictions in on use. But here are a

Re: Upgrading from 1.1 to frozen

1997-05-26 Thread Jim Pick
Galen Hazelwood wrote: This is a legitimate version format. You failed to upgrade dpkg before upgrading everything else. Fellow Debian developers, we _really_ need to put up warnings that this needs to be done! Otherwise innocent people will corrupt their systems by upgrading. Maybe we

Re: cvs.debian.org [Was: Using CVS for package development]

1997-05-28 Thread Jim Pick
We are running cvs.debian.org over an ISDN line. Currently the only code under it is the Deity project. I can make other source trees and set up other users if others want to do distributed development this way. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to set up world read access yet because

Re: long list of give away or orphaned packages

1997-05-28 Thread Jim Pick
Im not dissing your work, its excellent ;) Just hoping things can be a little more open... It seems like its getting to be an old boys club. You guys are pretty mature compared to the IRC channels, but it seems that already the administration is top heavy, taking away a lot of coding/devel

Re: default file perms

1997-05-28 Thread Jim Pick
dpkg-cert already does something like this. Klee is going to fold the capabilities of dpkg-cert into dpkg, so I think a solution is on the horizon. :-) We just have to wait patiently for Klee and his upcoming proposal to overhaul dpkg. Cheers, - Jim pgpD2sxtAmlaW.pgp Description: PGP

Re: Using CVS for package development

1997-05-29 Thread Jim Pick
Andreas Jellinghaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: great. since i meet other debian developers at the linux congress, i my a big friend of a cvs server with all debian packages. does anyone have a server with enough hard disks and a good conection to run it ? Some problems arise: Should

Re: Possible bug in dpkg-source? Possible fix?

1997-05-30 Thread Jim Pick
I'm using dpkg-dev 1.4.0.17. The problem is that not just with source packages I create. It is with all source packages I'm downloading, e.g., hello. The type of error I'm getting is as follows: dpkg-source: failure: remove patch backup file

Re: FreeQt ?

1997-06-01 Thread Jim Pick
As for OSS -- I had the impression that if I submitted patches to make the modules *accept* command line arguments, they wouldn't be included. But yeah, if they're straight GPL'ed that's good enough; I could still distribute such patches even if they weren't included. (and actually,

cygwin.dll license (was Re: FreeQt ?)

1997-06-01 Thread Jim Pick
yeah, cygwin32.dll is under the GPL. So? It's a DLL, like libc5 and libc6 are... [the *only* thing I'm aware of that actually uses the LGPL is libg++; it was as much of an experiment as anything, and I'm not aware of any not-otherwise-free software taking advantage of those terms...] Just

Re: cygwin.dll license (was Re: FreeQt ?)

1997-06-01 Thread Jim Pick
Two questions: (1) in what way is cygwin32.dll different from libc5.so in this regard (since the license for both is the same: GPL) libc5 appears to be under the GPL, while libc6 appears to be under the LGPL. Weird. Does that mean that anything that is linked against libc5 has to be GPL'd?

Re: cygwin.dll license (was Re: FreeQt ?)

1997-06-02 Thread Jim Pick
Yes, very limiting. The code actually cannot be linked statically! Can't be linked dynamically either... read the GPL. Cheers, - Jim pgp6b75kk1gUm.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: cygwin.dll license (was Re: FreeQt ?)

1997-06-02 Thread Jim Pick
For some more perspective on the interface argument, go back and see some of the flaming a year or two ago about the GNU libmp (multiple precision integer math library.) Actually, I had a very similar polite argument with RMS via private e-mail (about linking Java libs with mixed

Re: [boldt@cardinal.math.ucsb.edu: Info package: .dsc missing. And: TkInfo]

1997-06-02 Thread Jim Pick
There already is a tkinfo package (version 1.3). cas [EMAIL PROTECTED] is listed as the maintainer. Cheers, - Jim pgpjw0BNcP82y.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: cygwin.dll license (was Re: FreeQt ?)

1997-06-02 Thread Jim Pick
[ I've not been following this thread too closely, so if I've got the wrong idea, please forgive me ] The GPL is a very restrictive license. In many ways, it is just as restrictive as the Qt license. Particularily in the case of libraries, using it as Cygnus is doing (to make

Re: cygwin.dll license (was Re: FreeQt ?)

1997-06-02 Thread Jim Pick
On Jun 2, Jim Pick wrote The cygwin.dll case in an example where the GPL is being used to restrict the rights of other people using the code so that they can't do something taboo such as charge money, while at the same time, reserving the right for the authors to do the exact same

Re: the ncurses brushfire -- anybody want to take over the project?

1997-06-03 Thread Jim Pick
The senior maintainers and copyright holders of ncurses (Zeyd benHalim and myself) both feel very strongly that Thomas Dickey hijacked the project in a way that was unethical, injurious to the interests of the free-software community, and arguably flat-out illegal under our license terms.

Re: the ncurses brushfire -- anybody want to take over the project?

1997-06-03 Thread Jim Pick
I just wrote: In addition, all of the programs compiled against it should be moved out of the main distribution, and into contrib. (I just noticed that dselect/dpkg falls into this category) This is not a good situation. Cheers, - Jim pgpPwqLOmli3A.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: the ncurses brushfire -- anybody want to take over the project?

1997-06-03 Thread Jim Pick
Eric S. Raymond wrote: I don't yet know. I believe Debian's position on this is (a) unreasonable, and (b) not even internally consistent. Are you going to also cease immediately distributing all of the important software released under the Artistic License and similar ones? I don't think

Re: Debian's Modify Redistribute Policy (was: the ncurses brushfire)

1997-06-04 Thread Jim Pick
Brian White wrote: I agree with you on this. I personally believe that Debian should relax this requirement about non-modifiable redistributable code not being suitable for the primary distribution. I've never seen how it helps any cause other than sticking a finger in the eye of those who

Re: 1.3 installation report

1997-06-04 Thread Jim Pick
I did find a serious problem after rebooting (ok, I could probably have done this more subtle) the machine to start xdm. From reading several debian related lists I already knew that xdm will break with shadow passwords. However, I doubt if everyone who just installed debian 1.3 will realize

Re: cygwin.dll license (was Re: FreeQt ?)

1997-06-04 Thread Jim Pick
On Jun 2, Jim Pick wrote Just so you understand why I'm so interested - I'm working on porting dpkg to cygwin32. Porting or re-implementing? If it's a port, dpkg is already under gpl, so cygwin32 being under gpl shouldn't be an issue. [Even if it wasn't, I don't understand how a gpl'd

Re: Debian's Modify Redistribute Policy (was: the ncurses brushfire)

1997-06-04 Thread Jim Pick
Well, it's fine for the author to _require_ that modifications in the program be returned to the author. It's just not acceptable for the author to not allow modifications to be distributed. I don't think we should accept licenses that require modifications to be returned to the author, or

Re: Debian's Modify Redistribute Policy (was: the ncurses brushfire)

1997-06-04 Thread Jim Pick
Regarding the assignment of copyright, I took that out of the draft document. Yay! I knew you were a good guy! :-) Cheers, - Jim pgptBXGtMKzg2.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Postgres95/PostgreSQL

1997-06-08 Thread Jim Pick
John Goerzen wrote: Back in March, Siggy had indicated that he would be taking over PostgreSQL development (the Postgres95 package currently in Debian is now very out-of-date). I e-mailed him about this and got no response. Back on May 7, Siggy posted the following: Hi all, after losing

Re: jdk1.1 - no dynamic Motif linkage package

1997-06-09 Thread Jim Pick
Jim, why didn't you upload shared Motif library version of jdk1.1-runtime? I just wonder if there is any reason for that. Thanks. Alex Y. The jdk1.1-runtime package can be used either way - read the /usr/doc/jdk1.1/README.linux.gz file for details. You can use a shared Motif

Re: New package notices via bug tracking system.

1997-06-11 Thread Jim Pick
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The real reason I'm replying to this: I wonder what the other developers think about bug reports that just say a new version is available (as opposed to, a new version is available, and fixes this nasty bug). I think it's a good idea. I don't always

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-15 Thread Jim Pick
All packages that provide HTML documentation should register these documents to the menu system, too. Check out section section 4.1, `Web servers and applications' for details. Is that as well as registering with dwww? I'm changing the way documents register themselves

Gone for a week

1997-06-15 Thread Jim Pick
I'm going to be away from my computer for approximately a week, while I travel to Vancouver and Nanaimo (B.C., Canada) on business. I probably won't be able to fetch my mail. Unfortunately, I slipped behind schedule for a few things - so I won't be uploading the experimental version of dwww

Re: FW: [NTSEC] (Fwd) DESCHALL Press Release

1997-06-23 Thread Jim Pick
I suggest to use [EMAIL PROTECTED] as common identifier for Debian friends. In case we get the money (why should we ?) I suggest to pass 50% to Linux International and keep 50% for Debian. Please use an address at Linux International, not one in the Debian domain. It is not our policy

Re: FW: [NTSEC] (Fwd) DESCHALL Press Release

1997-06-23 Thread Jim Pick
People did complain that we were promoting Debian to the detriment of Linux. Yes - but remember, some of the people participating in these contests were acting pretty infantile. Instead of focusing on solving the problem, they want their team to be at the top of the list at all costs,

Re: FW: [NTSEC] (Fwd) DESCHALL Press Release

1997-06-23 Thread Jim Pick
I have some computers up running in that challenge and I could easily contribute there output to the debian group, if we are going to have one. So will we have one, or will we do it each one by himself? It's up to you - nobody's really organized anything. Some people are already running

Re: Moving away from MD5

1997-06-23 Thread Jim Pick
Thomas Koenig wrote: I think we should start moving away from MD5 as our main hash function. An attractive alternative would be RIPEMD-160. http://www.esat.kuleuven.ac.be/~bosselae/ripemd160.html This is probably a good thing to agree to do, before Klee redesigns dpkg to handle verification

Documentation stuff

1997-06-28 Thread Jim Pick
Hi! Sorry for being absent from most of the conversation, and not getting my latest release of dwww out... - I was working in Vancouver last week, came back, got sick, one of my main modems burnt out (lightning?), I replaced it, upgraded my server, messed up PPP, didn't configure the modem

Re: Documentation stuff

1997-06-28 Thread Jim Pick
Karl wrote: Can't apache do that? I think there's a mod-rewrite that will do what we need. Though I suppose not everyone runs apache... You tell me and we'll both know. I think it's a good idea to have a light-weight server that can launch from xinetd. I wrote: The only way to

Re: fixhrefgz unnecessary when fixing web-browsers in the correct wayR

1997-06-29 Thread Jim Pick
You can't fix the browsers, because we don't have the source for important browsers like netscape. You mean the Debian Project caving in and changing its standards because some non free product cannot be changed? Where is our commitment to free software? We shouldn't be changing the way

Re: Sub-categorizing the /usr/doc directory.

1997-06-29 Thread Jim Pick
One complication I can think of - dselect and the ftp sites have the concept of overrides, where Guy can change the section a package is assigned to. This wouldn't be reflected in the /usr/doc directory - of course, this might not really matter. Cheers, - Jim pgpkROZcuIbKB.pgp Description:

Re: fixhrefgz unnecessary when fixing web-browsers in the correct wayR

1997-06-29 Thread Jim Pick
I only advocated this as a compromise. I am for #1. And I would go further and abolish all compression everywhere. Compression should only be done if its transparent for all apps (e2compr or zlib?). I have seen so many broken packages because of manpage compression etc etc. The clean solution

Re: fixhrefgz unnecessary when fixing web-browsers in the correct wayR

1997-06-29 Thread Jim Pick
I just did a du -s /usr/doc on my 386DX/33 (8MB RAM, 2-200MB HD) - and it only has 11MB of docs installed. So uncompressing those isn't going to kill me - I'm sure most other people using old hardware have similar usage. Who objects? I do. text/html/ps usually compress

Re: fixhrefgz unnecessary when fixing web-browsers in the correct wayR

1997-06-30 Thread Jim Pick
Hi, Also, 11M may not be a typical install. I get a far higher number: __ du -s /usr/doc 92026 /usr/doc Uncompressing this is very likely to annoy me. 11M was for my old 386 box (no X installed) - I'm only using about 200M total on that system. That works out to about 5%

Re: Vision of new installation method using webserver

1997-06-30 Thread Jim Pick
Sounds slick. It wouldn't be too hard to do. It would be slick to have some more network smarts (like DHCP, and dialup to an ISP) on the boot disks (or some variant thereof). As for configuration via the web - check out the GPL'd Java telnet applet I've got installed on my webserver

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Logo chosen

1997-12-02 Thread Jim Pick
The logo I chose is http://fatman.mathematik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/debian-logo/profile/si02.html Good choice. You forgot to give some credit to the artist (Simon?) though. Do you think SPI should trademark it? What sort of licensing do you think would be best? What does the original

Re: going to package e

1997-12-04 Thread Jim Pick
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I intend to package the beta enlightenment window manager, imlib, and the default themes. If anyone wants to do it instead, I'll happily fall back to kibitz mode -- let me know. Lalo Martins [EMAIL PROTECTED] did a package of beta 12, back in August,

Thread safe X libs?

1997-12-10 Thread Jim Pick
Check out the forwarded message below. I get the same error using Debian unstable. Does this mean that Red Hat has thread-safe X libs and we don't? Cheers, - Jim ---BeginMessage--- On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Sascha Ziemann wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/szi$ phaser_chess warning -- no way to

Re: Thread safe X libs?

1997-12-10 Thread Jim Pick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark W. Eichin) writes: Check out the forwarded message below. I get the same error using Debian unstable. Does this mean that Red Hat has thread-safe X libs and we don't? Well, I wouldn't mistake that for a bug report... no indication of *what* is producing the

ldconfig warnings

1997-12-21 Thread Jim Pick
Hi, This is a minor annoyance, but it always bothers me. When upgrading or reconfiguring, I chronically end up with orphaned lines in /etc/ld.so.conf. ie. Currently, on my main Pentium system... ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R6/lib/libgtk.so.1.0 (No such file or directory), skipping

Re: ldconfig warnings

1997-12-22 Thread Jim Pick
Yes, it is discussed in the Debian Packaging Manual, section 12. See: /usr/doc/dpkg/packaging.html/ch-sharedlibs.html You should just go ahead and file bugs against packages which don't include the .so link as part of the package. If I understand this correctly, there is no need to use

Re: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender (fwd)

1997-12-27 Thread Jim Pick
I don't know if this is a bug with procmail(3.10.7-1.5), exim (1.81-1), or me, so I thought I would ask. I recently switched to exim from smail on my hamm (currently as up to date as possible) which unfortunately bounced all of my mail. It seems that exim doesn't like the mail filter pipe

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