Re: APT do not work with Squid as a proxy because of pipelining default

2010-05-19 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 03:28:00PM +0200, Bjørn Mork was heard to say: > Pierre Habouzit writes: > > This is bullshit. It's *VERY* easy to "support" pipelining: parse one > > request at a time, and until you're done with a given request, you just > > stop to watch the socket/file-descriptor for

Re: [RFC] DEP-6: Meta-Package debian/control field

2009-12-20 Thread Daniel Burrows
I agree with Eugene: the spec as presented is flawed. All package management tools (you forgot to list dpkg) treat Depends-satisfaction as an invariant, and there isn't really a compelling reason for this to change. The wording you present is a little confusing, but once you work through it, it

Bug#551992: general: stopping squeeze chroot shuts system

2009-10-22 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 02:16:39PM +0200, Martin Boer was heard to say: > On this system I installed a squeeze chroot using the following command: > > debootstrap squeeze /chroot/squeeze-x64-lighttpd-chroot > http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ > > This works as expected but when I stop the chroot,

Re: fstrcmp

2009-06-02 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 02:32:06PM +0200, Jérôme Pouiller was heard to say: > In another thread, Adeodato Simó wrote: > > I can't see how it'd work here, at least without the help of some > > on-disk structure, since we're talking about a space of 25,000 > > packages. > > Naive search of matchin

Re: Possible mass bug filing: non-doc packages recommending doc packages

2009-05-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 06:55:43PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli was heard to say: > I don't think that the mere fact that we changed the default behavior > of apt-get/aptitude should get in the way of that maintainer's > choice. If we used to live in a world where, by maintainer choice, doc > was no

Re: Possible mass bug filing: non-doc packages recommending doc packages

2009-05-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 02:58:56PM -0700, Russ Allbery was heard to say: > > I think that lintian warning is the right way to do it. > > I don't -- I think there are too many false positives for a lintian > warning given the thread. I also think this is fundamentally going in > the wrong direct

Re: Possible mass bug filing: non-doc packages recommending doc packages

2009-05-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 06:49:38PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli was heard to say: > On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 09:47:56PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > As a practical matter, downgrading these dependencies will cause > > aptitude and other package managers to believe that the docum

Re: Possible mass bug filing: non-doc packages recommending doc packages

2009-05-07 Thread Daniel Burrows
As a practical matter, downgrading these dependencies will cause aptitude and other package managers to believe that the documentation is unnecessary and suggest removing it. Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? C

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-27 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:12:45PM +0200, Andreas Tille was heard to say: > On Sat, 25 Apr 2009, Daniel Burrows wrote: > >> I would prefer Restructured Text, for the simple reason that it has an >> actual specification with a fairly complete description of its syntax >>

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-25 Thread Daniel Burrows
ecause the Markdown syntax documentation doesn't even mention nested lists, let alone define how exactly they should be written in a Markdown document. I guess maybe you could say they're undefined and the processor will do whatever it does? :-/ In the RST spec this is described in the secti

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-23 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 09:31:31AM +0200, Andreas Tille was heard to say: > Moreover I see no reason to bind anybody to a certain library > like markdown. My experience has shown that people will insist > on their very own way to do things. Do you think apt, aptitude, > synaptic etc. developers

Re: Bug#522142: ITP: Qoreutils -- Coreutils reimplemented using Qt libraries

2009-04-03 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 06:54:22PM +0200, "Milan P. Stanic" was heard to say: > On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 09:09, Mike Bird wrote: > > On Wed April 1 2009 00:03:10 Sune Vuorela wrote: > > > Qoreutils is a reimplementation of the classic tools from coreutils, > > > such as ls, mkdir and cp > > Thanks b

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-03-23 Thread Daniel Burrows
I don't have the energy to push this any more, but I should probably at least refer to my previous attempt to standardize bulleted lists: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00531.html You might find it useful, or not. At least it more or less documents current practice in aptitu

Re: -dbg packages; are they actually useful?

2009-03-03 Thread Daniel Burrows
I doubt most users will install them on their own, but I've found them to be moderately useful in tracking down crashes. It's easier to convince people to install a -dbg package than to convince them to recompile the program from source. Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 09:37:29PM -0800, Daniel Burrows was heard to say: > I made early on was not to fetishize arbitrary "optimality" definitions, > because you can end up chasing phantoms that way. "Optimal" solutions > are not necessarily best. They are good

Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement

2009-02-09 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 12:59:49PM +0100, kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz was heard to say: > I would like to ask you a little bit controversal question. As a user I miss > a package manager based on powerfull dependency solver. Using APT in > DEB-based distributions, I can easilly create some kind of p

Re: Sections - especially section:kde and section:gnome

2009-01-07 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 08:32:24AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert was heard to say: > > > I don't remember using sections in over 4 years of Debian usage, though > > I had already used GNU/Linux for a few months before I switched to > > Debian. But I doubt even a user new to GNU/Linux would use them much.

Re: Adoption of Nix?

2008-12-24 Thread Daniel Burrows
Hi there. As I'm sure everyone knows, I'm not exactly unbiased here since I've done a lot of work on the apt system (although nix looks more like a replacement for dpkg). This is the same package manager that was posted on lambda-the-ultimate a while back, right? Since you didn't provide a l

Re: screenshots.debian.net

2008-11-19 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 09:12:08PM -0800, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > I'm not surprised that the bandwidth consumption is excessive, > though. I'll think it over once I figure out why my VteTerminals > self-destruct when I hide them...

Re: screenshots.debian.net

2008-11-18 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:02:45PM +0200, George Danchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Monday 17 November 2008 18:13:55 Daniel Burrows wrote: > > When the user clicks on a package in the GUI interface, they see the > > description of the package. I don

Re: screenshots.debian.net

2008-11-17 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:49:06AM +0100, Christoph Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Montag, 17. November 2008, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 07:46:27PM +0100, Christoph Haas > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > > > The

Re: screenshots.debian.net

2008-11-16 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 07:46:27PM +0100, Christoph Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Sonntag, 16. November 2008, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:18:26PM +0100, Christoph Haas > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > >

Re: screenshots.debian.net

2008-11-16 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:18:26PM +0100, Christoph Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Thumbnail (<= 160x120 pixels): > http://screenshots.debian.net/thumbnail/PACKAGENAME > (this URL returns a dummy thumbnail if no screenshot was found) Just one quick question: will there eventua

Re: Headsup: ncurses soname bump 5 to 6

2008-09-17 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 09:21:44PM +0200, Daniel Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > just a quick note: after lenny, ncurses will bump soname major from 5 to > 6 in order to make mouse wheels work. The transition will be big, but > can be entirely handled with binNMUs only and this is

Re: Release Update: freeze guidelines, testing, BSP, rc bug fixes

2008-09-01 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 08:01:29AM +0200, Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Release notes > ~ > There is still quite a lot of work to be done on the lenny release notes. > Coordination for this will happen on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] > mailing list (further information to

Re: Source field in binary Packages list

2008-08-31 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 07:13:50PM -0300, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 03:21:36PM -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote: > > Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am working on a grouping feature for aptitude,

Re: Bug#496967: general: System completely blocks any input

2008-08-31 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 12:21:16PM +0200, Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Is there any live system available which can handle lvm volumes? I think > I even have some free disk space for an additional partition to install > the live system on harddisk. But I cannot access it

Re: newer sub package zaps main package instead of waiting

2008-08-23 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 05:02:49AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: > Say, often a developer upgrades a group of related packages, but they > don't hit the mirrors at the same time. This causes apt-get > dselect-upgrade and dist-upgrade to remove the older parts instead of > holding back

Re: feature: to add explanations of recommendations and suggestions dependencies

2008-08-13 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:03:50PM -0400, Felipe Sateler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Charles Plessy wrote: > > > Le Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 07:02:02PM -0400, Felipe Sateler a écrit : > >> Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >> > >> Could they be added as XB-Comment:? I use XS-Comment and it a

Re: feature: to add explanations of recommendations and suggestions dependencies

2008-08-13 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 08:57:24PM +0100, Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > * Shachar Or [Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:36:35 +0300]: > > > I am not suggesting this data will be put in with the package's > > description, > > Why not? I think (briefly) explaining some of the most rele

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-22 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 02:46:01PM +1000, Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Steve Langasek wrote: >> And even if LP accepted other openid providers, one would still have to log >> in to LP the first time in order to configure which openid provider to use, >> which I guess is still

Re: Package management unsafe?

2008-07-14 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 07:36:44AM -0500, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/justin/packagemanagersecurity/attacks-on-package-managers.html > > What are people's thoughts on this? I don't

Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?

2008-06-12 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:31:22AM -0400, Felipe Sateler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Frans Pop wrote: > > > Dependencies should in principle be "top down", not "bottom up". And > > defining dependencies from libs to apps is almost per definition "bottom > > up". > > As a nice experim

Re: Fwd: Re: [Pkg-virtualbox-devel] Bug#484624: virtualbox-ose depends on a

2008-06-06 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 06:01:20PM +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Is this something to do with apt/dpkg? If you recommend a pure virtual package, apt will pick an arbitrary provider (IIRC the first one that occurs in its internal cache) to fulfill the dependenc

Re: Handling of removed packages

2008-05-30 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 06:17:44PM +0200, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > James Vega wrote: > > As of version 0.4.11, this does happen. From the NEWS file: > > * Command-line updates in aptitude will now list packages that are > > newly obsolete. This doesn't work when a

Re: pwsafe and OpenSSL?

2008-05-19 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:46:13PM +0200, Moritz Muehlenhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Daniel Burrows wrote: > > I notice that pwsafe is linked against openssl. Is it affected by the > > recent debacle and if so, how? Do I need to regenerate all my > &g

Re: divergence from upstream as a bug

2008-05-18 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 12:07:04PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > A saner solution would be to only use the BTS when it's not possible > to discuss the patch with upstream. We could do the following: > > - add pseudo-headers in the patches for: > + URL of the bug

Re: RFS: figtoipe / difficulties with Replaces:

2008-05-17 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 03:48:03PM +0200, Alexander Bürger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > 0==0 > Info for debian-devel: we try to figure out how to package figtoipe. > Before version 6.0pre30-1, a version of figtoipe was

pwsafe and OpenSSL?

2008-05-15 Thread Daniel Burrows
I notice that pwsafe is linked against openssl. Is it affected by the recent debacle and if so, how? Do I need to regenerate all my randomized passwords, or somehow re-encrypt the pwsafe database? Thanks, Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscri

Re: analyzing popcon data for bogus recommends

2008-05-13 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:09:20PM -0400, Felipe Sateler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Joey Hess wrote: > > > It would be nice to have a list which Recommends are ignored/overridden > > the most when installing packages, to identify Recommends that need to be > > downgraded to Suggests.

Re: How do I trace aptitude dependencies?

2008-05-09 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 02:38:51PM -0400, Bryan Donlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Aha, why -v helped indeed. One note about it though: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] bd] aptitude why -v imagemagick iceape-browser > p imagemagick Dependslibmagick10 > p libmagick10 Dependsl

Re: How do I trace aptitude dependencies?

2008-04-28 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 07:05:24AM -0700, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > One option you have is to run "aptitude why -v imagemagick iceape-browser", > which will show you all the possible dependency chains between those > packages. O

Re: How do I trace aptitude dependencies?

2008-04-28 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 01:17:24AM -0400, Bryan Donlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Currently I have a situation where attempting to upgrade imagemagick > from version 7:6.2.4.5.dfsg1-1+lenny1 to version 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg1-2+b1 > pulls in over 200mb of dependencies, including mozilla-brows

Re: Installation of suggested packages: recursive or not?

2008-03-24 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 02:21:52PM +0900, Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Le Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 08:13:30AM -0700, Daniel Burrows a écrit : > > > > BTW, aptitude already supports non-recursively installing Suggests, and > > flagging them

Re: Installation of suggested packages: recursive or not?

2008-03-20 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:38:17PM +0900, Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Le Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 02:05:05PM -0400, Joe Smith a écrit : > > >On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Don Armstrong wrote: > > >> > > >>apt-get -o APT::Install-Suggests=true install foo; or similar. > > > I will s

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-18 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 02:21:45AM -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Anthony Towns wrote: > > I guess there's an inequality like: > > > > images on mirrors <= images on torrents <= images via jigdo > > Is there any way we can construct the torr

Re: actively notifying users of removed packages

2008-03-11 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 04:19:42PM +0100, Luca Brivio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Alle 14:57, mar 11 marzo 2008, Andreas Bombe ha scritto: > > It's no active notification, but aptitude lists all installed packages > > that aren't in any distribution included in sources.list under "Obso

Best practices for handling API (not ABI) breaks?

2008-03-08 Thread Daniel Burrows
Hi, I'm the maintainer of libsigc++-2.0, a typesafe callback library for C++. Upstream has just released a new version, 2.2, which preserves the version 2.0 ABI but is not source-compatible: programs that compiled against the 2.0 series will break with this new release. There are 114 package

Re: mass ITPs

2008-03-01 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 08:49:05PM +0100, Romain Beauxis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Le Saturday 01 March 2008 19:48:50 Christian Perrier, vous avez écrit : > > If someone cares to listen: when you think about ITPing each and every > > piece of FLOSS that pops around: think about *help

Re: dpkg-buildpackage now reorganizing debian/control Depends field??

2008-02-22 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 08:50:37PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Otavio Salvador wrote: > > "Sergei Golovan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Then having a unique, well-defined order of packages in Depends is a > > > good idea. If packages are

Re: dpkg-buildpackage now reorganizing debian/control Depends field??

2008-02-22 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 02:54:20PM +0100, David Paleino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Il giorno Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:04:52 -0300 > Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > > > As I said, for APT, the order has meaning _always_. > > > > apt-get install foo bar > > > > Is compl

Re: the new style "mass tirage" of bugs

2008-02-22 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 04:53:20PM -0600, John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Wed February 20 2008 3:43:18 pm Ben Finney wrote: > > Who other than the bug reporter would you suggest should try > > reproducing the bug? > > > > Suggesting "put that effort into fixing the bugs" is

Re: avoid conf file overwrite message?

2008-02-22 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 09:43:29PM -0800, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 06:24:37PM -0800, William Francis wrote: > > *** apache.conf (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? Y > > Installing new version of config file /etc/twiki/apache.conf ... > > > Is there a

Re: Possible mass bug filing: missing shared library dependencies

2008-02-03 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 10:35:35PM +0200, Niko Tyni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >heroes-common Whoops. The package started out binary-indep, then changed to binary-dep. I remembered to start invoking dh_shlibdeps on it .

Re: Introducing security hardening features for Lenny

2008-01-30 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 09:31:00PM -0600, John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Tuesday 29 January 2008 4:31:51 pm Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > > On mar, 2008-01-29 at 15:47 -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > > I notice, for instance, that the latest cups > > > requires avahi. Can we

Re: What to do when the LaTeX sources are missing, but an XML equivalent was rewritten from scratch ?

2007-11-19 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 10:52:21PM +0100, Norbert Preining <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Mo, 19 Nov 2007, Don Armstrong wrote: > > If the author uses the pdf, it's the pdf. If the author uses the tex, > > Umpf, how do you proof/ensure that the source of a pdf is the pdf? > I hope you

Re: Friendly reminder: the Vcs-Browser field is now official

2007-10-29 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 08:33:24PM +0100, Romain Francoise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > The packages listed below use the 'XS-Vcs-Browse' field, which has > been obsoleted by the new, official 'Vcs-Browser' field. Please > consider upgrading your control files to use that. Also note t

Re: ITP: geogebra -- dynamic mathematics software for schools

2007-10-22 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 01:58:46PM +0200, Antonio Ullan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Antonio Ullán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * Package name: geogebra > Version : 3.x.y > Upstream Author : Markus Hohenwarter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >

Re: Compiling all packages with debug information?

2007-10-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 01:03:35AM -0700, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Oh, your private e-mail helped me understand what you're proposing. > You're saying that we could set it up so that the local user could build > the -dbg packages if they need them. At this point, wha

Re: Bug#444673: ITP: nted -- A new musical score editor for Linux

2007-10-03 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 11:33:39AM +0200, Pini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > * Package name: nted > Version : 0.6.1 > Upstream Author : Jan Anders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL : > http://vsr.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/~jan/noteedit/noteedit.html > * License

Re: Installation of Recommends by default on October 1st

2007-08-09 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 09:36:39PM -0400, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Neil Williams wrote: > > And a script to implement that in every box I have to install. Again > > and Again and Again and > > > > You almost forcing me into maintaining a fork of apt that restores the

Re: Installation of Recommends by default on October 1st

2007-08-09 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 09:58:30PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > > > No - because the default is already in place in aptitude which is WHY I > > don't use aptitude. If apt goes the same way, the default configuration > > of each offers no choice. > > > > By the tim

Re: Non-security updates between stable releases?

2007-07-31 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 12:07:44PM +0200, Adam Borowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > stable (pinned at 500): foo=1.0 [Depends: bar>=1.0], bar=1.0 > testing (pinned at 200): foo=1.2 [Depends: bar>=1.2], bar=1.2 > > If the user says: apt-get install foo=1.2, apt won't be smart enough to

Re: apt-get -y upgrade for non-interactive sessions - and replacing conf files in /etc

2007-07-05 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 03:17:12PM -0700, Alan Ezust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On 7/5/07, Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Alan, you know that it should only be prompting you on conffiles you >> actually >> modified? Do you really want those overwritten? > > Yes, I see

Re: Testers needed: aptitude 0.4.5.2

2007-06-17 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 01:01:27PM +0200, Vince H&K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Daniel Burrows wrote: > > If I don't hear about any show-stoppers in the next week or so, I'll > > upload the new version of aptitude to unstable. Positive reports o

Re: Testers needed: aptitude 0.4.5.2

2007-06-16 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 04:48:56PM -0400, Felipe Sateler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Daniel Burrows wrote: > > > * aptitude forgetting the automatic status of packages that were > > installed with old versions of aptitude. > > > > * apt

Testers needed: aptitude 0.4.5.2

2007-06-16 Thread Daniel Burrows
Hi all, As you probably noticed, Michael Vogt uploaded apt 0.7.2 to unstable with support for detecting automatically installed packages. I've ported aptitude to use the new apt interfaces instead of its internal implementation, and uploaded the result to experimental. The ported aptitude

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 06:08:44PM -0500, Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On 10-Jun-07, 17:47 (CDT), Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Since then, it seems like most users have switched to apt-get and > > synaptic, with hardly anyon

Re: aptitude removals (was Re: APT 0.7 for sid)

2007-06-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 08:13:18PM -0400, Felipe Sateler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Daniel Burrows wrote: > > > Bug #299009 is AFAIK about the fact that aptitude produces different > > dependency resolutions from the visual UI versus the command-line.

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 06:05:49PM -0500, Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > > [Daniel Burrows] > > I'm in favor of either enabling this by default in apt or downgrading > > Recommends in policy to just a "really Suggests". > [sn

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 09:49:00PM -0400, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Michael Vogt wrote: > > - support for the new dpkg "Breaks" field (thanks to Ian Jackson for > > his work on this) > > Although dpkg still doesn't have Breaks support, so we still can't use > it, AFAIK..

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 10:45:06AM -0700, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > aptitude throws out the solution of "revert all the proposed changes > and stay at the current state". Setting Aptitude::Discard-Null-Solution > to false will disable th

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 07:42:40AM -0700, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 09:54:16AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > was heard to say: > > > term. I would also love to find a way in the future to interf

Re: aptitude removals (was Re: APT 0.7 for sid)

2007-06-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 10:46:37AM -0400, Philippe Cloutier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > > > >Apparently there have been bugs in this for years and no-one reported > >them until they caused trouble for the d-i team several months ago. > >They should be fixed in stable's aptitude now, an

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-09 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 09:54:16AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > > term. I would also love to find a way in the future to interface with > > the aptitude dependency problem resolver (that is superiour to the one > > in libapt). > > In what way is it superior? Unti

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-09 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 08:55:59AM +0200, Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > #include > * Russ Allbery [Wed, Jun 06 2007, 08:40:47PM]: > > > > Is this the same dependency resolver that tries to remove half your > > > packages as a result of the most minor package removal? > >

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-09 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 08:40:47PM -0700, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On 06/06/07 17:59, Michael Vogt wrote: > > >> I would also love to find a way in the future to interface with the > >> aptitude dependency problem resolver (t

Re: Why not move Apt to a relational database

2007-06-04 Thread Daniel Burrows
I'm sorry I don't have more time to comment on this. On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 10:55:01AM +0100, Justin Emmanuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Based on a relational database it will run faster, also there should be > some more data stored about the programs to facilitate system restorin

Re: Reasons for recommends and suggests

2007-05-20 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 09:52:44AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > A field in the control file is unlikely to have enough space to > truly state the reasons (remember, the maintainer has alsready stated > that in their judgement the packages belong togethe

Re: Reasons for recommends and suggests

2007-05-18 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 04:56:23PM -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Fri, 18 May 2007, Brian May wrote: > > > "Neil" == Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Neil> The only bug suitable for this scenario is a wishlist bug > > Neil> for a more

Re: apt-get

2007-05-18 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 04:19:28PM -0400, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > It was really hard for me to switch to using aptitude, but now since I > have, I get annoyed when I use apt-get, although I use apt-get regularly > on a certain machine. I'd still like to use aptitude, b

Re: apt-get

2007-05-18 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 12:29:56PM -0400, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Howard Young escribió: > > looking through the list I now see that may be quite possible to achieve > > what I wanted using, some sort of

Re: apt-get

2007-05-18 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 10:50:06AM -0600, Warren Turkal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Friday 18 May 2007 08:03, Howard Young wrote: > > Thank you for this link. I have read the information but it seems not to > > have a specific option for what I want. > > If you use aptitude for eve

Re: Reasons for recommends and suggests

2007-05-17 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 06:22:11PM +0100, Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Thu, 17 May 2007 11:29:16 +0200 > Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My problem with the current situation that you either do the policy of > > always > > installing such stuff or you do

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-15 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 02:55:40PM +0200, "Mgr. Peter Tuharsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Debian developers often see "Ubuntu the enemy" and are mocking it as > inferior technology. However, they fail to see, what does the Debian > really offer to desktop users eventually. They fai

Re: /etc/udev/rules.d non-symlinks

2007-04-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 12:11:57PM +0200, Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2007, Joey Hess wrote: > > The intent is to let users disable a udev rule by removing the symlink, or > > reorder a rule to a different number by renaming the symlink. Putting a > > rules

Re: For those who care about stable updates

2006-03-12 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 12:20:25PM +0100, Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Actually, in case stockholm gets elected, > > Sorry, where's the Wiki page describing codenames for DPL candidates? Wait, you mean we aren't putting

Re: Obsolete packages in Experimental

2006-01-25 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 04:25:52PM +0100, Jérôme Warnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Le vendredi 20 janvier 2006 à 14:17 +, Paul Brossier a écrit : > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 04:09:28AM -0600, Peter Samuelson wrote: > > > > > > [Jérôme Warnier] > > > > Or even better: a list of a

Re: Aptitude question

2006-01-22 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 10:57:22AM +0900, Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > When you say that normal operation is getting slower, do you mean just > > the load time or its overall performance? The time

Re: Aptitude question

2006-01-15 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:41:25AM +0900, Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [0] alert readers will note that the caveat "if the user waits for a > > sufficient amount of time" has to be a

Re: Trivial bug on apt-file (Was : Re: Development standards for unstable)

2006-01-15 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 02:34:32PM +0900, Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > As stated by the Debian Policy Manual : > > "The Depends field should be used if the depended-on package is required > for the depending package to provide a significant amount of > functionality." >

Re: Aptitude question

2006-01-07 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 12:51:55AM +0100, Jiří Paleček <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:50:14 +0100, Linas Zvirblis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >Jiri Palecek wrote: > >>How does aptitude decide which one to choose? Shouldn't it > >>prefer to do something that

Re: Proposal/Request for Comments: Formally extending package Descriptions to handle bulleted lists.

2005-12-12 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 01:21:41AM +0100, Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 03:09:52PM -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > Extensions to the syntax of Description blocks: > > > > As mentioned above, all lines beginn

Re: Proposal/Request for Comments: Formally extending package Descriptions to handle bulleted lists.

2005-12-12 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 12:01:52AM +, Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The attached text is a first draft of a proposed extensio

Re: Proposal/Request for Comments: Formally extending package Descriptions to handle bulleted lists.

2005-12-12 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 05:49:02PM -0600, Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > > [Daniel Burrows] > > (1) The first line begins with N > 2 spaces, > > Don't you mean N >= 2? > > > (2) The first non-space character of the fir

Re: Proposal/Request for Comments: Formally extending package Descriptions to handle bulleted lists.

2005-12-12 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 06:38:59PM -0500, sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 03:09:52PM -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > The attached text is a first draft of a proposed extension to the > > Description field to explicitly handle

Proposal/Request for Comments: Formally extending package Descriptions to handle bulleted lists.

2005-12-12 Thread Daniel Burrows
The attached text is a first draft of a proposed extension to the Description field to explicitly handle bulleted lists. The extended syntax allows list items to be treated specially by frontends (for instance, bullet characters can be replaced with graphics, and the body of the list item can be

Re: Debian and the desktop

2005-12-12 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 08:25:49PM +0100, Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > >-default sound setup > > Sound is symptomatic of a much larger class of problems, namely that > there is no system service that forwards resources other than display > and keyboard to the user curre

Re: [RFC] xulrunner, shlibs, and dependencies.

2005-12-04 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 12:28:36AM -0800, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 08:58:45AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > > Will all the tools resolving the dependencies be fine with a dependency > > on a virtual package without one an a real package ? (like f

Re: Spliting packages between pkg and pkg-data

2005-11-21 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 04:26:34PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Nicolas Boullis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2005 at 12:13:48PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > >> Hello Debian developers, > >> > >> When doing research about circular-deps

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